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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 16, 2017 17:27:04 GMT -5
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Post by sarasota on Feb 16, 2017 17:51:44 GMT -5
Interesting article. I admire particularly their honest promotion of their Christian focus.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 16, 2017 18:54:46 GMT -5
Interesting article. I admire particularly their honest promotion of their Christian focus. A Christian focus that looked the other way when they hired Ian Mccaw as AD, who "resigned" as AD at Baylor as a result of his involvement in the "alleged" numerous rapes and abuse of female students getting swept under the rug in Waco. Liberty is a phony fraud.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 16, 2017 19:22:55 GMT -5
To Forgive is Divine.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 16, 2017 20:31:18 GMT -5
Interesting period in the landscape of FBS football where there currently aren't any conferences in desperate need of "warm bodies". Unless their product becomes so good that the value-added would entice an invite from an existing conference, I could see them being stuck in independent purgatory for quite some time. As far as facilities and support go, they've been ready for FBS for at least a decade but haven't been able to convince the MAC, Sun Belch or C-USA to invite them, presumably due to the religious baggage.
I am actually surprised they weren't able to dominate more at our level, or at least consistently win the Big South, a meh FCS conference. I guess the strict Christian backdrop is a double-edged sword.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 16, 2017 21:06:14 GMT -5
"Liberty will compete as a FBS independent during the 2018 season, which includes having three FBS home games. The football program will be bowl eligible starting with the 2019 season and will be required to play at least five home FBS opponents."
Well I think you'll see them playing UMass home-and-home. Another school in 1A independent purgatory (that is, if the Falwells believe in such a place).
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Post by matunuck on Feb 17, 2017 9:17:22 GMT -5
James Madison will jump at some point.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 17, 2017 9:29:34 GMT -5
There won't be any large, Southern state Universities left playing FCS in 10 years.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 17, 2017 9:41:37 GMT -5
I see they open up their 2017 schedule at baylor Old Dominion has had success in their transition to the fbs, with very good support, and that might give Liberty encouragement that this will work for them. but they will need a league affiliation eventually. They will not become the 'Protestant Notre Dame' which at one time they were talking about. .
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 17, 2017 12:06:11 GMT -5
I see they open up their 2017 schedule at baylor Old Dominion has had success in their transition to the fbs, with very good support, and that might give Liberty encouragement that this will work for them. but they will need a league affiliation eventually. They will not become the 'Protestant Notre Dame' which at one time they were talking about. .Really? Their goal was to be a consistently overrated team??
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 19, 2017 21:02:57 GMT -5
James Madison will jump at some point. It's near time for them to either poop or get off the pot. If you believe what their posters say on AGS, the MAC, Sun Belt and C-USA would supposedly all take JMU tomorrow. Seems to be some institutional questioning from the inside as to whether they want to follow the Delaware model or go in the direction of App State.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 19, 2017 21:59:58 GMT -5
None of this effects Holy Cross football in the slightest btw......Holy Cross is basically tied into where the Ivy (not Patriot) League goes for football...as long as Harvard/Yale/Dartmouth remain FCS, Holy Cross will have football at the FCS-level, which is a good thing.
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Post by southernsader on Feb 19, 2017 22:24:20 GMT -5
Liberty - or James Madison - going FBS is beyond silly. If you are not Power 5, there is no future. What is the point?.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 19, 2017 22:41:54 GMT -5
Liberty - or James Madison - going FBS is beyond silly. If you are not Power 5, there is no future. What is the point?. It's foolishness.....basically it's schools that are looking to increase their enrollment.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 20, 2017 7:34:16 GMT -5
Potentially lose less money in BCS than FCS.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 20, 2017 9:04:14 GMT -5
Some places are digging a hole for themselves in basketball because of these moves. There are some formerly good programs in CUSA for example (Charlotte, Old Dominion); now they are toiling in obscurity. UConn men, even, compared to what they were just a few years ago.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 20, 2017 9:09:10 GMT -5
Yeah, but that might be more because they no longer have "Not one thin dime" Calhoun and Blaney backing him up.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 20, 2017 16:45:20 GMT -5
Potentially lose less money in BCS than FCS. There is no BCS anymore -- it's Power 5 and then a hodge-podge of also-rans known as the G5. This is the purgatory of FBS football. Is UMASS losing more money now or when they were in the CAA?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 20, 2017 16:51:59 GMT -5
Some places are digging a hole for themselves in basketball because of these moves. There are some formerly good programs in CUSA for example (Charlotte, Old Dominion); now they are toiling in obscurity. UConn men, even, compared to what they were just a few years ago. Great point -- at least UMass had the cojones to leave the MAC as a football affiliate for this reason (they were trying to hold the Minuteman basketball program hostage) and reject an ensuing invite to the Sun Belch. To be fair, UConn DID win a national title as a member of the American Conference but that was with players that were all recruited to play in the Big East. Old Dominion has actually seen a vast decrease in media coverage for their basketball team in their home market because of their move to CUSA. When they were in the CAA, the local papers could afford to send beat writers to away games no further than Boston or Atlanta. However, El Paso and Hattiesburg are a different story and the result is the program loses media share to other in-state schools that play locally and against teams people in the area care about.
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Post by steve81 on Feb 27, 2017 23:14:03 GMT -5
"Liberty will compete as a FBS independent during the 2018 season, which includes having three FBS home games. The football program will be bowl eligible starting with the 2019 season and will be required to play at least five home FBS opponents." Well I think you'll see them playing UMass home-and-home. Another school in 1A independent purgatory (that is, if the Falwells believe in such a place). With this summer coming up, it will be interesting. Seems like the few fans posting are for it. Hey if we play BYU, then Liberty should be fine. Here is a link and a quote regarding scheduling. Discussion on umass.247sports
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 3, 2017 11:57:28 GMT -5
Seems like Liberty will be able to absorb the financial hit of going fbs. I just saw that their endowment now exceeds $1 billion.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 3, 2017 12:38:42 GMT -5
Seems like Liberty will be able to absorb the financial hit of going fbs. I just saw that their endowment now exceeds $1 billion. As has has been stated many times before, endowments have nothing to do with annual budget costs. Most every dollar of most institutions endowment is already allocated for professorships scholarships etc. So if Liberty is all of a sudden going to spend an extra million dollars or more on football not a penny of it would come from existing endowment.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 3, 2017 14:25:34 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 3, 2017 14:30:30 GMT -5
I'll bet Liberty has some benefactors who support the move up in football and will help fund it
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 3, 2017 16:59:30 GMT -5
You are probably right. Fundamental Christians seem to love their sports (just look at Bob Jones University).
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