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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 22, 2016 16:58:22 GMT -5
Good point about PL football and hoop being different. In football, we're competing against 6 other schools, one of which does not offer athletic scholarships. In basketball, we're competing against 9 other schools, each of which offers athletic scholarships. Not understanding your points comparing our basketball opportunities to our football opportunities. In basketball, we're competing against other basketball programs that play for a chance to compete in THE NCAA Torunament. Carmody is 1 for 1 against our 9 peer schools. In football, we're competing against a bunch of schools seeking a bid to the FCS tournament. TG is 1 for 13 against our 5 peer schools plus Georgetown. To "level the playing field" for your truly tremendous comparison, if PL Basketball had the same format for selecting a champion as PL Footbball, Carmody would be 0-1, given his 5-13 record and 9th place finish in the league. ...but it doesn't, does it?
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Post by possum on Nov 22, 2016 17:16:00 GMT -5
Carmody is a good tactician who will win with good players. Recruiting is my area of concern. If you remember, when Carmody was hired Illinois Sader said that recruiting was an area where Carmody would need a top notch recruiter to assist him. Although its a small sample size, results to date are not encouraging. Last year three of our top targets Andree, Gasperini and Nelson all went to league rivals. Gasperini and Nelson are starting and playing well for American and Andree is getting 20+ minutes for very good Lehigh team while our three frosh are waiting for their season to start. If we want to get the program back to the level of the Willard years we have to win some of these battles with league rivals. Its a good thing Dr. Reed can,t coach cause he has certainly brought in some impressive talent over the years. Hopefully the freshman will begin to play and produce because given the state of the roster going forward we can't afford a wash out class. Next year all we will have is this years sophmores and freshmen plus five new players. Not a formula for success if this years class can't play.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 22, 2016 17:31:00 GMT -5
Good point about PL football and hoop being different. In football, we're competing against 6 other schools, one of which does not offer athletic scholarships. In basketball, we're competing against 9 other schools, each of which offers athletic scholarships. Not understanding your points comparing our basketball opportunities to our football opportunities. In basketball, we're competing against other basketball programs that play for a chance to compete in THE NCAA Torunament. Carmody is 1 for 1 against our 9 peer schools. In football, we're competing against a bunch of schools seeking a bid to the FCS tournament. TG is 1 for 13 against our 5 peer schools plus Georgetown. To "level the playing field" for your truly tremendous comparison, if PL Basketball had the same format for selecting a champion as PL Footbball, Carmody would be 0-1, given his 5-13 record and 9th place finish in the league. Wow ! talk about a non-sequitur
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 22, 2016 17:50:36 GMT -5
Yes, indeed. I hear the NFL is going to move to a Best of 7 format, emulating the World Series, as too many fans have been questioning the legitimacy of the Broncos claim to be league champions from beating the Panthers only once
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Post by somedaycamesuddenly on Nov 22, 2016 18:38:14 GMT -5
I think caro is bringing up a point about whether or not success should be judged by a single-elimination playoff system. In America, this is the route we tend to go with all of our major sports but I think you can make an argument, one that I agree with, that a better measure of the success of a team is over a larger sample size (Think Premier League Soccer.) Does the playoff, whether it be the Patriot League, NCAAM, or NFL crown the best team? Often not, but some leagues do a better job of this like the MLB or the NBA with a best of 5 or 7 format. Regardless, it has been deemed the most entertaining and profitable system and the one that Americans seem to back most. From my point of view, the Ivy League had the better system, one that I think was key in allowing them to have many upsets in the tournament because the regular season champion is usually the best team.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 22, 2016 19:00:54 GMT -5
Agree. Not sure this is what Caro has been saying. Alas, the Ivies have also succumbed.
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Post by Tom on Nov 23, 2016 8:21:42 GMT -5
My bad, I had it reversed. We're supposed to IGNORE Northwestern, and EXAGGERATE what happened 20 years ago at Princeton. Add a gallon of water, add ice, stir for 25 seconds, and you've got yourself some delicious Purple Kool-Aid! I don't think think we need to ignore the fact that Coach Carmody is hands down the most successful men's basketball coach in the history of Northwestern. Granted Northwestern has traditionally been pretty lousy in hoops, but they also don't play on a level playing field since they choose to limit their player pool by having stricter academic standards than most other Big 10 schools. The PL playing field is much more level on that criteria. I'll go on record that when Coach Carmody's time in Worcester is done, if we can make the same claim as Northwestern, namely that Coach Carmody is hands down the most successful men's basketball coach in the history of Holy Cross, I'll be happy
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Post by hc2489 on Nov 23, 2016 9:31:29 GMT -5
My bad, I had it reversed. We're supposed to IGNORE Northwestern, and EXAGGERATE what happened 20 years ago at Princeton. Add a gallon of water, add ice, stir for 25 seconds, and you've got yourself some delicious Purple Kool-Aid! I don't think think we need to ignore the fact that Coach Carmody is hands down the most successful men's basketball coach in the history of Northwestern. Granted Northwestern has traditionally been pretty lousy in hoops, but they also don't play on a level playing field since they choose to limit their player pool by having stricter academic standards than most other Big 10 schools. The PL playing field is much more level on that criteria. I'll go on record that when Coach Carmody's time in Worcester is done, if we can make the same claim as Northwestern, namely that Coach Carmody is hands down the most successful men's basketball coach in the history of Holy Cross, I'll be happy this might be worthy of its own thread, but who would you say is currently the most successful men's basketball coach in hc history?
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Post by hchoops on Nov 23, 2016 9:32:18 GMT -5
Buster Sheary
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 23, 2016 9:35:22 GMT -5
This should have its own thread... Perhaps we could have a poll about when CBC will reach 500 at HC
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 23, 2016 10:17:10 GMT -5
By the way, speaking of Tyrone Cohen, JR and the other freshmen, I am setting the over/under for HC freshmen minutes played versus South Carolina State at 15.
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Post by Tom on Nov 23, 2016 11:10:34 GMT -5
By the way, speaking of Tyrone Cohen, JR and the other freshmen, I am setting the over/under for HC freshmen minutes played versus South Carolina State at 15. After 4 games where it seems like Zignorski is the 8th man in a seven man rotation, I'll take the under
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Post by hchoops on Nov 23, 2016 17:53:32 GMT -5
By the way, speaking of Tyrone Cohen, JR and the other freshmen, I am setting the over/under for HC freshmen minutes played versus South Carolina State at 15. Is JR supposed to be JS ?
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 23, 2016 18:46:36 GMT -5
Carmody is a good tactician who will win with good players. Recruiting is my area of concern. If you remember, when Carmody was hired Illinois Sader said that recruiting was an area where Carmody would need a top notch recruiter to assist him. Although its a small sample size, results to date are not encouraging. Last year three of our top targets Andree, Gasperini and Nelson all went to league rivals. Gasperini and Nelson are starting and playing well for American and Andree is getting 20+ minutes for very good Lehigh team while our three frosh are waiting for their season to start. If we want to get the program back to the level of the Willard years we have to win some of these battles with league rivals. Its a good thing Dr. Reed can,t coach cause he has certainly brought in some impressive talent over the years. Hopefully the freshman will begin to play and produce because given the state of the roster going forward we can't afford a wash out class. Next year all we will have is this years sophmores and freshmen plus five new players. Not a formula for success if this years class can't play. Of course, at this point, such conjecture is stupid. Happy Thanksgiving.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 23, 2016 18:56:39 GMT -5
By the way, speaking of Tyrone Cohen, JR and the other freshmen, I am setting the over/under for HC freshmen minutes played versus South Carolina State at 15. Is JR supposed to be JS ? I was listing Tyrone Cohen Junior and now I know the "JR" for junior looks like it could be a typo for "JS" for Jack Stevens
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Post by timholycross on Nov 23, 2016 20:06:48 GMT -5
Is JR supposed to be JS ? I was listing Tyrone Cohen Junior and now I know the "JR" for junior looks like it could be a typo for "JS" for Jack Stevens General Comment: Sports (baseball, basketball, football; perhaps others) did just fine when the only people referred to by surnames both played more or less at the same level (or both coached; or one of each). For example, Ken Griffey Jr.; George Mira, Jr., etc.... I really don't care if the likes of Jackie Bradley or Robert Griffin is a Jr or a III, don't like seeing it on a uniform; and I hate when announcers make it part of the person's last name. Which it isn't. Sorry for the rant, KY. Has nothing to do with you, I assure you.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 23, 2016 21:30:09 GMT -5
Good points--I have always included the "junior" when I think of Tyrone Cohen as I believe that was how we first came to know him when we were recruiting him.
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