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Post by DiMarz on Sept 5, 2017 18:40:05 GMT -5
The biggest stumbling blocks getting into H.E. are the Railers and the dates available for any playoffs, by either team..(HC or the Railers)..There are enough dates for both teams to play in the DCU Center in the same season, co-existing as such. However the hang up comes if both teams are in the playoffs of their league. Who gets the preferred dates? That info came to me from the ticket office guys in a conversation I had with them a few weeks ago...and I had a conversation with ADNP who said that he will get it done, when asked about joining HE..One has to remember that many of the HE schools are with in a 60 minute ride of Worcester..and that league travels well!
The Railers ownership doesn't want any competition for Worcester fans dollars..Who can blame them? It's in their best interest to be the sole hockey team in the DCU Center...HC has to use the DCU to play in HE....minimum seating capacity..
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Post by hcgrad94 on Sept 5, 2017 19:17:13 GMT -5
It will happen. Newbie, uneducated and agenda driven posters can claim it wont but it will.
That's all.
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Post by unhfan on Sept 5, 2017 19:25:16 GMT -5
It will happen. Newbie, uneducated and agenda driven posters can claim it wont but it will. That's all. You have to wonder how long will HE wait before my bing on to a different team?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 5, 2017 19:56:31 GMT -5
Q is not interested. Ivies aren't leaving ECAC. Zero shot of Maine and UNH prez's, coaches and AD's agreeing to 6-9 hour bus rides to New York state.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Sept 5, 2017 20:29:02 GMT -5
It will happen. Newbie, uneducated and agenda driven posters can claim it wont but it will. That's all. You have to wonder how long will HE wait before my bing on to a different team? What other team? ?? Q: already said no Niagara? Army? RIT? Now that the Holy Cross women are in the door will be held open to enable us to figure out the scheduling which will happen in the next year.
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Post by unhfan on Sept 6, 2017 18:12:20 GMT -5
You have to wonder how long will HE wait before my bing on to a different team? What other team? ?? Q: already said no Niagara? Army? RIT? Now that the Holy Cross women are in the door will be held open to enable us to figure out the scheduling which will happen in the next year. We'll find out. If you guys can't get a deal to play in the DCU center HE won't happen.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Sept 6, 2017 18:34:21 GMT -5
Correct but there's absolutely no reason for that not to happen. It makes too much sense for all involved (HC, Worcester) with the exception of some clown named Clint Rucker and he will be gone in just a few short years.
You didn't answer my question what is the other school that you think is going to come in?
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Post by unhfan on Sept 6, 2017 19:34:19 GMT -5
Correct but there's absolutely no reason for that not to happen. It makes too much sense for all involved (HC, Worcester) with the exception of some clown named Clint Rucker and he will be gone in just a few short years. You didn't answer my question what is the other school that you think is going to come in? I could not tell you but I can't believe HE will wait forever for Holy Cross and I don't see the Railers willing to work with you to make it happen.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Sept 6, 2017 20:08:23 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the Railers don't have the final say. The city, which owns DCU, does. Rest easy, this will all work itself out.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Sept 6, 2017 20:35:15 GMT -5
If the Railers get a Bruins affiliation they will succeed and be much more popular than Holy Cross hockey, whether or not they join the HE.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 6, 2017 21:20:49 GMT -5
Telling isn't it that the Bruins just inked a two year extension with their echl affiliate in Atl 6 months ago when the r*ilers were looking to latch on to someone.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Sept 6, 2017 22:15:30 GMT -5
Telling isn't it that the Bruins just inked a two year extension with their echl affiliate in Atl 6 months ago when the r*ilers were looking to latch on to someone. Wrong, the deal only goes through the 2017-2018 season. The previous deal was a 2 year deal. The Gladiators have been affiliated with 4 other NHL teams in the past.
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Post by Tom on Sept 7, 2017 14:38:00 GMT -5
There is a lot of assumptions around this board that the Railers will fail.
I think it's reasonable to assume that the Railers will not draw as well as the Sharks did. Some combination of a lower level of play and the idea of fanbase being jilted. However, the Sharks didn't leave town because of poor attendance. San Jose wanted them closer to home. Attendance might not have been great, but that's not why forced them out of town. I never heard Rucker say what he needs to break even. I don't think its' a guarantee that they'll be gone in short order even if they don't draw the approx 4000 the Sharks did.
I can see the Sharks having a stable 3000 ish average - but not a lot of upside growth. If HC joins HE, they will draw less than that. However, if somehow they sustained a level of success for a period of time, there is opportunity to eclipse that
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Post by HC92 on Sept 7, 2017 15:02:09 GMT -5
Telling isn't it that the Bruins just inked a two year extension with their echl affiliate in Atl 6 months ago when the r*ilers were looking to latch on to someone. Wrong, the deal only goes through the 2017-2018 season. The previous deal was a 2 year deal. The Gladiators have been affiliated with 4 other NHL teams in the past. Here's what wiki says: "On August 6, 2015, the Gladiators announced a two-year affiliation deal with the Boston Bruins and their AHL affiliate the Providence Bruins. In February 2017, the Gladiators and Bruins extended their affiliation for another two seasons." This seems to be confirmed by all of the other things I can find on the internet. Original two-year deal was 2015-17. Two-year extension was 2017-19. Did you see something different?
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Sept 7, 2017 21:16:27 GMT -5
Wrong, the deal only goes through the 2017-2018 season. The previous deal was a 2 year deal. The Gladiators have been affiliated with 4 other NHL teams in the past. Here's what wiki says: "On August 6, 2015, the Gladiators announced a two-year affiliation deal with the Boston Bruins and their AHL affiliate the Providence Bruins. In February 2017, the Gladiators and Bruins extended their affiliation for another two seasons." This seems to be confirmed by all of the other things I can find on the internet. Original two-year deal was 2015-17. Two-year extension was 2017-19. Did you see something different? www.prohockeyrumors.com/2017/02/bruins-agreement-affiliate.html
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 7, 2017 21:55:37 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Sept 8, 2017 6:02:03 GMT -5
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Post by crossbball13 on Sept 8, 2017 9:11:27 GMT -5
Here's what wiki says: "On August 6, 2015, the Gladiators announced a two-year affiliation deal with the Boston Bruins and their AHL affiliate the Providence Bruins. In February 2017, the Gladiators and Bruins extended their affiliation for another two seasons." This seems to be confirmed by all of the other things I can find on the internet. Original two-year deal was 2015-17. Two-year extension was 2017-19. Did you see something different? www.prohockeyrumors.com/2017/02/bruins-agreement-affiliate.htmlWrong!
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 8, 2017 10:12:54 GMT -5
C'mon 13, at least reference this: or a more extended version " WRONG!" : www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/mclaughlin-group/n9987?snl=1 P.S. Why are so many posters getting worked up over this? Do you really think joining HE will catapult Holy Cross to the likes of the Ivies in the eyes of recruits/students? Or just to the level of BC? Do you really believe the Railers owner is the one and only thing that stands in the way of HC going to HE?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Sept 8, 2017 10:39:09 GMT -5
P.S. Why are so many posters getting worked up over this? Do you really think joining HE will catapult Holy Cross to the likes of the Ivies in the eyes of recruits/students? Or just to the level of BC? Do you really believe the Railers owner is the one and only thing that stands in the way of HC going to HE? +100 Regarding your last question, the answer is a hard NO - he is just the perfect scapegoat for those who want a distraction from the fact that we haven't been able to do anything to get a deal done. If hockey is as important to the administration as some pretend, improvements to the hockey facilities would not have been stripped from the $95M+ we just spent.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 8, 2017 11:27:10 GMT -5
...or they would not have been given two upgrades in a time when other sports received nothing similar?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 8, 2017 12:29:46 GMT -5
Less than a year ago, when I spoke with someone very knowledgeable about athletics at HC, I asked about HC joining HE, and the response basically was there is concern on College Hill about the likely level of student attendance for hockey played at the DCU. (Its already difficult to get students to attend football and basketball games on-campus.)
Using ADNP's method of calculation, the on-campus registration at HC is about 2700. Given that HC now wants most students to spend part of their four years studying elsewhere, the number will not increase. Small enrollment school, would be smallest enrollment school in HE. And with a small enrollment, what happens to DCU student attendance for hockey if there is a men's hoops game at the Hart in the same timeframe? The net result of poor student attendance at the DCU -- if that's what happens -- is that HC will be subsidizing a high $ loss sport for whatever number of college hockey fans there are in Worcester, many of whom have little or no direct affiliation with HC, or for the fans of other HE schools. Why should HC spend (and lose) money to help BC hockey? Why?
For those supposedly in the know about HC and HE, a simple question. What are the contract terms and how much rent is the DCU charging for the NCAA regionals next year? As HC is the sponsoring institution, .the number shouldn't be a college secret hidden in a vault in Fenwick.
On the old board, IIRC, the question was periodically asked: 'How much rent would the DCU be charging HC for a HE season of games at the DCU? A basic question, and surely if HC had any serious interest in playing at the DCU, HC has the answer. An answer was never forthcoming. Answers that were posted numerous times were that the DCU should let HC play for free, or even that the DCU should pay HC to play there.
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Post by realism on Sept 8, 2017 15:52:19 GMT -5
Do you really believe the Railers owner is the one and only thing that stands in the way of HC going to HE? The obsession with the Railers and failure to answer any of the basic financial and attendance questions raised on this board creates an alternative reality cast to many of the comments of board supporters of the HE affiliation.
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Post by crossbball13 on Sept 8, 2017 17:01:16 GMT -5
Less than a year ago, when I spoke with someone very knowledgeable about athletics at HC, I asked about HC joining HE, and the response basically was there is concern on College Hill about the likely level of student attendance for hockey played at the DCU. (Its already difficult to get students to attend football and basketball games on-campus.) Using ADNP's method of calculation, the on-campus registration at HC is about 2700. Given that HC now wants most students to spend part of their four years studying elsewhere, the number will not increase. Small enrollment school, would be smallest enrollment school in HE. And with a small enrollment, what happens to DCU student attendance for hockey if there is a men's hoops game at the Hart in the same timeframe? The net result of poor student attendance at the DCU -- if that's what happens -- is that HC will be subsidizing a high $ loss sport for whatever number of college hockey fans there are in Worcester, many of whom have little or no direct affiliation with HC, or for the fans of other HE schools. Why should HC spend (and lose) money to help BC hockey? Why? For those supposedly in the know about HC and HE, a simple question. What are the contract terms and how much rent is the DCU charging for the NCAA regionals next year? As HC is the sponsoring institution, .the number shouldn't be a college secret hidden in a vault in Fenwick. On the old board, IIRC, the question was periodically asked: 'How much rent would the DCU be charging HC for a HE season of games at the DCU? A basic question, and surely if HC had any serious interest in playing at the DCU, HC has the answer. An answer was never forthcoming. Answers that were posted numerous times were that the DCU should let HC play for free, or even that the DCU should pay HC to play there. I see you are putting your chips in the middle-- might you be wrong once again?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 8, 2017 17:34:25 GMT -5
I have posted this before. There were two ice hockey games at the DCU last year. One was Parent's Weekend, and HC student attendance was good. The second game HC arranged for free shuttle buses between the campus and the DCU. Very few students took the buses, and thus few students attended the game. Inquiries were made, and students were asked, why they didn't go the hockey game? The answer was "Big parties on campus.".
Dartmouth Providence Harvard UMass Merrimack Northeastern All six, in ranked order, averaged between 2500+ and 2200 in 2016-17, playing on-campus. What is the basis for a belief that HC, with a smaller enrollment than any of these six, would average 2500 or more at the DCU?
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