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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 13, 2017 7:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 13, 2017 8:49:17 GMT -5
After reading an article about Boston, it took me a minute or two to figure out the title of his thread. No one pays any attention to BC? As is said in the piece, with their ACC records that may be a good thing.  |
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 13, 2017 8:55:59 GMT -5
BC is happy
$$$$$
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Post by hc87 on Sept 13, 2017 9:47:18 GMT -5
He's not altogether wrong but, per usual, I think our boy doth exaggerate a bit too much here.
I also don't think Boston is that much different than a lot of other major cities (particularly in the Northeast) when it comes to college sports sitting at the kid's table in terms of support/following with most people.
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Post by rickii on Sept 13, 2017 9:47:59 GMT -5
38,000 folks disagree with this well known idiot.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 13, 2017 11:34:21 GMT -5
38,000 folks disagree with this well known idiot. Every village seems to have one. |
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Post by hc87 on Sept 13, 2017 11:43:35 GMT -5
DS is a columnist, I'm not defending his thesis here but his job is essentially to stir you know what up. Subliminally (I hope anyway), he may be zinging those who bleed maroon and gold as anyone who bleeds purple should.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 13, 2017 14:53:25 GMT -5
Last year, BC averaged 32000 for football attendance, 4674 for hockey, and 4242 for men's hoops. Total undergraduate enrollment 9309.
For HC, with an undergraduate enrollment of 2900, 31 percent of BC's enrollment, the equivalent attendance numbers as a percentage of BC U/G enrollment would be 9920 for football, 1315 for basketball, 1449 for hockey.
None of BC's average attendance numbers are near venue capacity.
Attendance as a percentage of undergraduate enrollment is not such a bad proxy because total alumni is a multiple of undergraduate enrollment. BC has an added multiple, alumni from its graduate schools.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 13, 2017 14:55:58 GMT -5
Last year, BC averaged 32000 for football attendance, 4674 for hockey, and 4242 for men's hoops. Total undergraduate enrollment 9309. For HC, with an undergraduate enrollment of 2900, 31 percent of BC's enrollment, the equivalent attendance numbers as a percentage of BC U/G enrollment would be 9920 for football, 1315 for basketball, 1449 for hockey. None of BC's average attendance numbers are near venue capacity. Attendance as a percentage of undergraduate enrollment is not such a bad proxy because total alumni is a multiple of undergraduate enrollment. BC has an added multiple, alumni from its graduate schools. I don't know why you continue to act as if the only people who attend college sporting events are students and alumni of that school. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 13, 2017 15:29:29 GMT -5
SoV, its a proxy. Certainly, there are fans who attend who have no affiliation with the school. My brother bought season tickets for BC hoops for one year even though he has no affiliation; he wasn't interested in watching BC, he wanted to watch Duke and the other ACC teams.
IMO, one thing you can be pretty certain of at BC is that those who fork over $2500+ every year to the Flynn Fund for seat licenses for football and hoops games are almost entirely alumni.
BC's Flynn Fund, the recipient of those seat licenses, had $20 million in revenue in 2012, from more than 4,000 donors. (Can't find more recent numbers, that may be the highwater mark.) Relatively small donor group in numbers, but individually, most are quite generous.
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Post by rickii on Sept 13, 2017 16:44:39 GMT -5
The ND-BC game is sold out but tix are available.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Sept 15, 2017 12:29:21 GMT -5
Can't be worse than NYC. There are no college football programs. Metro North advertises Army games at West Point pretty persistently (a great place to watch a game), and sports radio often advertises for Rutgers. There aren't even choices.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 15, 2017 12:37:52 GMT -5
Do not forget Columbia
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Post by hc87 on Sept 15, 2017 12:55:06 GMT -5
The entire Northeast corridor (Boston to DC) is just not "big-time" college football country. The NFL "owns it" and I don't see that changing anytime soon. You have to venture inland a bit (Penn St, VA Tech, maybe Syracuse etc) to see any real hard-core support i.e. regular 50K crowds etc in this region.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 15, 2017 14:20:58 GMT -5
Worcester would support HC basketball if we were in a better league instead of the Patriot League. Most people do not remember how the city supported
HC during there good years before the crappy Patriot League came into play. Go back to the Potter, Vicens era and you could not buy a ticket to any game
at the Hart Center, you had to watch the game on Channel 27. That was one of the reasons that the Centrum was built because they figured that all home
games would be played downtown to accommodate the people who wanted to follow HC basketball.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 15, 2017 15:58:59 GMT -5
Can't be worse than NYC. There are no college football programs. Metro North advertises Army games at West Point pretty persistently (a great place to watch a game), and sports radio often advertises for Rutgers. There aren't even choices. When did Columbia stop playing football? |
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 15, 2017 15:59:53 GMT -5
The entire Northeast corridor (Boston to DC) is just not "big-time" college football country. The NFL "owns it" and I don't see that changing anytime soon. You have to venture inland a bit (Penn St, VA Tech, maybe Syracuse etc) to see any real hard-core support i.e. regular 50K crowds etc in this region. The Jets and Giants (at least in week 1) seem to be doing all they can to limit the number of fans rooting for hem in the NY area.  |
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Post by hc87 on Sept 15, 2017 17:08:44 GMT -5
Worcester would support HC basketball if we were in a better league instead of the Patriot League. Most people do not remember how the city supported HC during there good years before the crappy Patriot League came into play. Go back to the Potter, Vicens era and you could not buy a ticket to any game at the Hart Center, you had to watch the game on Channel 27. That was one of the reasons that the Centrum was built because they figured that all home games would be played downtown to accommodate the people who wanted to follow HC basketball. College basketball (and hockey in some places) is a different story in the Northeast. There are strong pockets of support for both in many places in this region. Football is a different animal...compared to other big-time football areas. |
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 15, 2017 17:22:59 GMT -5
Let's see...if I read this correctly, 1. Worcester supported HC the there was NO LEAGUE AT ALL for our hoops. 2. Most folks in Worcester know little or nothing about the Patriot League. but 3. Some of these same folks will not support HC because we play in a league they know nothing about. By that logic, it seems that what we need is no league at all. No one but a person with a confirmed (and perpetual) anti-PL bias would ever accept such a position as logical. Of course, that assumes that the good people of Worcester will not come to see HC's team play for any reason...only to see well-known opponents come to play against HC. Is that supposed to be any sort of a Holy Cross "fan base?" |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 15, 2017 17:52:03 GMT -5
The one school in the Greater Greater Boston metro area that has held its own attendance-wise is Providence for hoops. Clearly, PC created and has maintained a multi-generation fan base for over 40 years.
1978 average attendance
Providence 9168
Holy Cross 3891
BC 2567
2017 average attendance
Providence 8492
Holy Cross 1797
BC 4242
1985 average attendance Patriot League not yet founded
Holy Cross 2127
UMass 1592
1988 average attendance Patriot League founded in 1986
Holy Cross 1507
UMass 2649
Other attendance 1988, lower than HC
Army 1183
Loyola MD 844
Yale 839
Colgate 347
UNH 291 (306th out of 308 schools)
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 15, 2017 19:40:58 GMT -5
Prov is not considered "metro Boston", never has, and never will, by any measure whatsover other than yours.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 15, 2017 20:12:41 GMT -5
Worcester would support HC basketball if we were in a better league instead of the Patriot League. Most people do not remember how the city supported HC during there good years before the crappy Patriot League came into play. Go back to the Potter, Vicens era and you could not buy a ticket to any game at the Hart Center, you had to watch the game on Channel 27. That was one of the reasons that the Centrum was built because they figured that all home games would be played downtown to accommodate the people who wanted to follow HC basketball. When I was a kid growing up in the 70's in Central Mass, there was a good chance you were either a Holy Cross fan or a Providence fan, as they were pretty much the only schools on TV at the time. Would Worcester have supported HC to the extent that they did if people could watch up to 100 other games a week as they do now? Maybe, but I'm not sure........and those fans were not distracted with their bleeping cell phones at the games either. |
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Post by hc87 on Sept 15, 2017 22:49:31 GMT -5
HC could have had, or approximated what PC has as a fan-base but it would have had to have joined the Big East obviously.
Broken record from me I know....but I still feel there is a market out there in CMass/Greatah Boston to see HC play a GTown, Villanova, PC, Marquette et al in downtown Woostah during the winter months.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 16, 2017 5:49:13 GMT -5
I'm usually Chief Merry Optimism when it comes to HC basketball (in stark contrast to my regular life persona,lol), but I am a doubting Thomas on this one. I know that some on the board have spoken of having friends who would start coming to games with HC in the Big East, but would that be enough to sustain a program? Most of us weighing in on the topic are getting a little long in the tooth......is there a solid base of people under the age of 40 in Central Mass who are dying for pro-like entertainment? And what are they doing now - are they going to Celtics or Bruins games? Thinking of the REALLY young - if I'm a 10 year old kid, do I really care about what league HC is in? Would I rather sit 100 feet away from the action, with 1 snack, or would I rather be close enough to see all the players faces, and hear all the sounds of the actual game action (and get to stuff my face with more food to boot)? And would Moms and Dads be willing to shell out $150+ for a weeknight game, vs $50-75? I dunno......I just look at the attendance history of BC and UMass, and it doesn't actually inspire me.
As Confucius said: "Much easier to climb aboard parked Big East train then to board moving Big East train".
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 16, 2017 7:27:55 GMT -5
I also think the PL is too easy a punching bag, imho. HC had chances to make themselves "known" within the confines of the PL, and came up short. Things might be different had a couple of those Kentucky/Kansas/Marquette games been wins instead of losses. Remember Vermont knocking off Syracuse at the DCU Center in 2005? If that had been HC, would there have been any impact? Of course, I'm assuming there would be institutional follow-up to accompany these successes, and frankly HC probably would have dropped the ball too.
No way of my knowing this, but I believe if our program had the CONSISTENT success of the Bucknell program (will all those wins against high majors on their resume, which has been pointed out many times before), there would be quite a few younger HC fans roaming around Central Mass today. Just putting all the blame on the PL lets HC off the hook to a large extent.
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