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Post by dadominate on Oct 1, 2017 12:08:03 GMT -5
Candid ?? real honesty would have taken the blame himself for atrocious decisions at the end Crap! Sorry hoops. I copied and pasted the wrong quote... "This one really hurts, for so many reasons,” Holy Cross coach Tom Gilmore said. “I decided to go for it on fourth-and-1 and you come up short and I feel very responsible. I made the call to go for it and we weren’t able to get it done.” thanks for sharing this. i have to give gilmore credit for taking responsibility. while the results were similarly poor, if milan brown had assumed even the smallest bit of responsibility even ONCE over his five years of futility, and not blamed missed shots, not executing, poor officiating, etc. in literally every press conference interview after a loss, i would have felt much better about the character of the leadership of the program and the effect that it has on our student athletes in their sport and in their lives regarding always looking for someone/something else to blame for failure. gilmore may not be the right guy anymore and has caused seemingly endless frustration for us with close losses (thanks for the stats, woogray), poor clock management, and generally bad decision making, his character is hard to question. although character won'tbe enough, barring a turnaround the rest of the season.
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Post by ncaam on Oct 1, 2017 12:38:54 GMT -5
And they’re going to Richmond Virginia no one else to blame for tomorrow’s loss other than the coach if your answer thank you
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 1, 2017 12:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Oct 1, 2017 12:58:04 GMT -5
No one else to blame for yesterday’s loss other than the coach.
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Post by jflare on Oct 1, 2017 13:12:58 GMT -5
Is there a press conference from Gilmore somewhere. It is not on our web site? Anyone know where to find it ?
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Post by hchoops on Oct 1, 2017 13:20:44 GMT -5
He also needed to take responsibility for going on 4th and 15 on their 35 earlier
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Post by jflare on Oct 1, 2017 13:24:29 GMT -5
In total shock over yesterday. What can you say? No words ? How do you go for it on 4th down there. Just stupid. I think we may be looking at this:
Monmouth ..... Another close loss ( 7 or less ) Yale................. Loss for Sure ( Big by 21-28 ) Colgate .......... Another close loss ( 10 or less ) Georgetown ... Finally a close win ( 7 or less ) Lehigh ............ Another close win ( 10 or less ) Fordham ........ Loss ( by 14-21 )
4-7 and that's with PP Next Year ..... 2 - 9
Love the guys..... They just do not win many games
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Post by gks on Oct 1, 2017 13:57:25 GMT -5
Lafayette summary from my POV... Coaching....bad Pujals....really bad Wide Receivers....really, really bad Defense....really good
Offense put up a clunker...won't win many games when you score 7.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 1, 2017 15:39:19 GMT -5
too many dropped passes....
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Post by billy72 on Oct 1, 2017 16:06:05 GMT -5
Absolutely pathetic performance yesterday. Going to be a long season ! Very tough to be a Crusader fan these days
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Post by gks on Oct 1, 2017 16:59:37 GMT -5
Not the defense. They played great. Pujals was way off. Receivers and tight ends even more so. One play in particular Pujals had one of the tight ends wide open over the middle for an easy TD and he overthrew him by a mile. Add in a place kicker in a funk and you're in for a long day.
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Post by Chu Chu on Oct 1, 2017 17:59:34 GMT -5
Yes, the decision to go for it on fourth-and-1 was a big mistake, but the fact is that we should not have been even in this position against Lafayette. I do not understand how the team I saw play so well against UConn and UNH could not execute better against the 'Pards.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 1, 2017 19:12:20 GMT -5
Yes, the decision to go for it on fourth-and-1 was a big mistake, but the fact is that we should not have been even in this position against Lafayette. I do not understand how the team I saw play so well against UConn and UNH could not execute better against the 'Pards. Maddening inconsistency is one of the hallmarks of the TG era.
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Post by Xmassader on Oct 1, 2017 22:38:15 GMT -5
24 hour rule time limit is over. Still stunned by the coaching decisions in the last 4 minutes of the game that SoV pointed out. 8-33 in close games and OT over the last 6+ yrs. A PL championship (unlikely as it may be at this point) should be the only chance for CTG to continue. Can he run the table? Let's see what happens in the last 4 PL games.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 2, 2017 7:18:34 GMT -5
8-33 in close games and OT over the last 6+ yrs. Just to clarify, the OT losses are a subset of the overall losses-by-7-or-fewer - he's 8-27 in those games, six of which (all losses) were decided in OT.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 2, 2017 7:52:52 GMT -5
8-33 in close games and OT over the last 6+ yrs. Just to clarify, the OT losses are a subset of the overall losses-by-7-or-fewer - he's 8-27 in those games, six of which (all losses) were decided in OT. Remarkable
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 2, 2017 9:15:37 GMT -5
another reason we never should have lost is the fact that we pinned them down 'twice' in the 4th qtr on their own 1 yard line ! and let them off the hook both times. Simply amazing
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 2, 2017 9:16:59 GMT -5
Maybe the fact that HC hasn't won an OT game in eleven years influences some of the coach's late-game strategic choices.
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Post by beerseach on Oct 2, 2017 10:34:08 GMT -5
This will be my one and only post for awhile as I have decided that I need to take my Lenten hiatus early (or late, depending on your point of view). There is a lot of blame thrown at Coach Gilmore for the results yesterday and to a lesser extent the Dartmouth game. Again quoting Howard Cossell, "I never played the game" but many play calls in the last couple of games were dubious at best. Whether Coach Gilmore makes the calls personally or one of his assistants does, he's got ultimate responsibility and he would never deny that. You know, "you can delegate authority but you cannot delegate responsibility." But in the vein of "I have come to bury Cesar, not to praise him," this loss is not on Gilmore's shoulders alone. There is plenty of blame to go around. Tom Gilmore did not miss wide open receivers that would have been sure TDs. And when the passes were accurate, Tom Gilmore didn't drop the passes and I am positive that he didn't teach the players how to drop a pass that hits you in the hands. And I am also absolutely positive that when you have the opponent on two consecutive possessions starting a drive on their own 1 yard line that on one of those when it appeared that a safety was imminent that you don't give a roughing the passer penalty that gives them a first down and 15 yards and they get to punt out of jeopardy both times. How do you lose a game when you make 3 interceptions (against none of our own) and get 0 points so that the mistakes don't cost the opponent anything? This is the same player personnel that played UConn pretty evenly and handily beat UNH. I don't know what the issue is (do we need to play in gray uniforms every game?) but the Crusaders seem to rise to the level of their better opponents or sink down to the opponent's level when they aren't good. We have not demonstrated a "killer instinct" putting the pedal to the metal in my memory. This should have been a 20+ point win. It wasn't. I don't absolve Coach Gilmore or his assistants but neither do I exonerate the players. This one is on them too, especially our experienced players and 5th year seniors. What you will now hear from me is the Sound of Silence. I won't totally disagree but to me an alarming observation over the last few years is the players do not get any better. Teh development doesn't change throughout the course of the season. Seems to me there is a lack of coaching and development and/or a very negative atmosphere around the program that doesn't allow the players to play free and fast. As the season moves on they flat line and play tight...
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Post by hchoops on Oct 2, 2017 10:38:10 GMT -5
Who recruited those players who made those errors ? Of course the players bear responsibility, but not the ultimate responsibility.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 2, 2017 11:44:18 GMT -5
Absolutely awful and depressing day at Fitton Field on Saturday.
I can't think of any possible explanation for going for that 4th & 1, but it doesn't really even matter if our offense is going to play like they did on Saturday (and have for the majority of the season) because the chance of winning the PLC would already be lost. To think that our defense has been excellent for virtually the entire season, but we are 2-3 is just amazing. I don't think we completed a pass that went longer than 5-7 yards in the air on Saturday.
With the way our defense has played this year, if we had Dom Randolph, we would be 5-0. If we had something close to Dom Randolph, we would be at least 4-1. I don't know if the offense needs to be simplified or what, but the staff needs to figure out a way to work around what is going on with the offense before the season is totally lost.
With a game as disappointing as that one, it's hard to imagine that the stadium "experience" was worse, but I think it just may have been. I have never seen so many people tailgating on both Freshmen and the baseball fields (actually a fun environment in both places) and so few people going inside the stadium (SHOCKED that a letter didn't do anything!). And it's difficult to blame them. The decision by Pine to hire RGIS security has created an atrocious experience inside and around the stadium and there is absolutely no life to the presentation of the game - obviously no video boards, no attempt at creating entertainment between the extremely excessive number of timeouts, a completely lackluster concession selection.
I would love to know how much money we are paying to the unprofessional thugs from RGIS who are looking for trouble in about as peaceful of an environment as you can have for a sporting event (has anyone ever seen anything happen at Fitton that would require security?). An absolute disgrace.
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Post by ncaam on Oct 2, 2017 11:56:00 GMT -5
Send this to Nate.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 2, 2017 12:31:45 GMT -5
As much a disgrace as the atrocious oaching decisions at the end ?
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Post by HC92 on Oct 2, 2017 12:40:03 GMT -5
Maybe the fact that HC hasn't won an OT game in eleven years influences some of the coach's late-game strategic choices. I think you may have a chicken and egg issue here.
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Post by carney2 on Oct 2, 2017 12:45:55 GMT -5
i'm actually glad the pln video stream crapped out (again) as it sounds like yet another excruciatingly frustrating close loss. p.s. - i admittedly didn't watch the game, but going for it on 4th down at our own 35 so late in the game in what appears to have been an offensive sputtering all game long is ridiculous. is there anyone at the game or those who watched the game that thinks this was the right call? if so, can you explain your rationale? From the loyal opposition who has experienced many a bad day at Fitton: An inexplicably bonehead call. The risk/reward numbers were way below zero, with Lafayette unable to generate any offense, but giving them the ball inside the 35 was suicidal. Even if HC made the yard, they would have needed another 50 or 60 against a fired up defense to get a field goal shot. No defense for Gilmore, but things that may have gone through his mind: 1. If you can't gain a single yard against the supposed worst team in a bad League, you don't deserve to win. 2. Lafayette's field goal kicker is injured and this would be left to a freshman second team kicker. 3. A Lafayette offense that hasn't done anything all day would still have to gain some yardage from the 33 for the kicker to have a chance. Still, putting the ball in Pujals' hands in OT was the absolute best decision.
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