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Post by hc811215 on Oct 2, 2017 12:55:24 GMT -5
Absolutely awful and depressing day at Fitton Field on Saturday. With a game as disappointing as that one, it's hard to imagine that the stadium "experience" was worse, but I think it just may have been. I have never seen so many people tailgating on both Freshmen and the baseball fields (actually a fun environment in both places) and so few people going inside the stadium (SHOCKED that a letter didn't do anything!). And it's difficult to blame them. The decision by Pine to hire RGIS security has created an atrocious experience inside and around the stadium and there is absolutely no life to the presentation of the game - obviously no video boards, no attempt at creating entertainment between the extremely excessive number of timeouts, a completely lackluster concession selection. I would love to know how much money we are paying to the unprofessional thugs from RGIS who are looking for trouble in about as peaceful of an environment as you can have for a sporting event (has anyone ever seen anything happen at Fitton that would require security?). An absolute disgrace. Funny thing. As I was walking into the stadium, I was somewhat firmly told about the prohibition on bringing beverages into the stadium, including water. It was only when I politely protested the need to throw out my unopened Poland Spring bottle that they let me slide. I don't blame the employees who I am sure were just being told to follow guidelines; however, they should be told to be very friendly and somewhat lax on the searches. On the tailgating front, Freshman Field seemed as tightly packed and as big a party as I have seen in years. Ended up with my car parked near the bleachers on the Williams side of the field. This seemed to be the meeting point of class of '17 and seniors from Williams. It was wall to wall people. When they started clearing the field for the game, there seemed to be a god number of students and younger alums heading up the hill rather than toward the stadium.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 2, 2017 13:03:41 GMT -5
I was on the baseball field Saturday with my family and there was zero issues with the Commando Unit that I saw (though I know some have had probs), they seemed to be just assisting people with parking. Wheeled in a stroller for my youngest, along with a backpack with stuff for both my young girls and no issues. However I'm usually on the frosh field and the regular crew of Worc cops who I know fairly well couldn't care less about busting anyone's balls
And as far as the alleged "lackluster" game day experience inside and out - I'd love to know what aspect was better under the previous regime.
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Post by dharry13 on Oct 2, 2017 13:19:42 GMT -5
Sorry I am a downer, but I can't take this anymore and wonder why I tune in every week. Last week I kept checking my phone the whole Dartmouth game and thought finally a miracle would happen and we would win. I keep thinking maybe this is the year - every year - and I really try to be positive, but the seasons just seem to unravel quickly. Some people started talking about us running the PL this year - I have my doubts. I can't believe this is the same school I attended when I look at our empty stands!! It's unbelievably sad what has happened to our winning culture. There is support for this school out there if we could just learn to win a few tight games. Alums are not fair weather fans, they are just exhausted from losing . I have no answers but something more has to change. I think this post sums up a lot of what people feel. Three excellent games to start the season and now this. Let's all be honest. The only real winnable game left on their schedule is GTown. With a 5th Year QB, at least 2 5th Year O lineman. I don't feel like anyone on this thread has been unfair or negative for that matter. Simply matter of fact. This loss is atrocious. It's brutal. Frustrating doesn't even capture it fairly. It's way beyond frustrating at this point.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 2, 2017 13:33:40 GMT -5
I was on the baseball field Saturday with my family and there was zero issues with the Commando Unit that I saw (though I know some have had probs), they seemed to be just assisting people with parking. Wheeled in a stroller for my youngest, along with a backpack with stuff for both my young girls and no issues. However I'm usually on the frosh field and the regular crew of Worc cops who I know fairly well couldn't care less about busting anyone's balls And as far as the alleged "lackluster" game day experience inside and out - I'd love to know what aspect was better under the previous regime. As far as the game production, nothing. But at least you were allowed to bring in your own food and drink, and did not have to deal with RGIS buffoons - each a major upgrade over the current state.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 2, 2017 13:34:40 GMT -5
Another issue seems to have gotten lost a little bit here. If I'm reading the play-by-play correctly, LC took possession with 1:42 left and we had three timeouts. We used one of the timeouts before they even ran a play with the clock stopped. Curious. After our timeout, they then got a 9-yard-run bringing up 2nd and 1 from the 26. We stuffed another run for no gain bringing up 3rd and one from our 26. At that point, why not call a timeout? Sure, they could get a first down but they've already shown that they are content to run it and set up a field goal. So, the clock runs. We then stuff them on third down and apparently again let the clock run down from 30+ seconds (I think I read that previously). We finally call a timeout with 3 seconds left. Is that what actually happened? If so, we could have called timeout after 2nd and third down and had roughly 1:00 left after the field goal, right?
By the way, in reading the box score, I also noted we got flagged for roughing the kicker on the made field goal. Made me feel better because I think it would have been even more painful if they had missed the first one, moved the ball up and then made the second one.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 2, 2017 13:42:10 GMT -5
Another issue seems to have gotten lost a little bit here. If I'm reading the play-by-play correctly, LC took possession with 1:42 left and we had three timeouts. We used one of the timeouts before they even ran a play with the clock stopped. Curious. After our timeout, they then got a 9-yard-run bringing up 2nd and 1 from the 26. We stuffed another run for no gain bringing up 3rd and one from our 26. At that point, why not call a timeout? Sure, they could get a first down but they've already shown that they are content to run it and set up a field goal. So, the clock runs. We then stuff them on third down and apparently again let the clock run down from 30+ seconds (I think I read that previously). We finally call a timeout with 3 seconds left. Is that what actually happened? If so, we could have called timeout after 2nd and third down and had roughly 1:00 left after the field goal, right? You have that right, 92... Posted the three key mistakes below immediately following the game: 1) Going for it in 4th and 1 from our own 35. 2) Wasting a timeout and challenging the spot, when we were nowhere close to a 1st down. 3) Not calling a timeout and allowing Lafayette to run the clock down and kick a FG as time expired. We could have gotten the ball back with 30+ seconds remaining.
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 2, 2017 13:44:18 GMT -5
Correct 92. I think it was closer to 15 - 20 seconds left when the 3rd down run concluded - as I remember looking at the clock and seeing 13 seconds and saying call the time out! - but the larger point is correct. Only thing I can think is that for 10 seconds he thought Lafayette didn't have a time out and then suddenly realized they did with 5 seconds left.
From going for it on 4th and 1 at your own 35, to the play call on 4th down, to clock management, just all kinds of bad coaching decision in that final 2:00.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 2, 2017 13:49:44 GMT -5
HC, realistically, could have gotten the ball back with 1:20 or so remaining. We had all three timeouts remaining after turning the ball over on downs.
We wasted one timeout by challenging the spot. A second timeout was then used with :05 remaining to presumably ice the kicker.
We ended the game with a timeout in our pocket.
Incredibly poor game management.
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Post by crusader12 on Oct 2, 2017 13:56:56 GMT -5
Absolutely awful and depressing day at Fitton Field on Saturday. I can't think of any possible explanation for going for that 4th & 1, but it doesn't really even matter if our offense is going to play like they did on Saturday (and have for the majority of the season) because the chance of winning the PLC would already be lost. To think that our defense has been excellent for virtually the entire season, but we are 2-3 is just amazing. I don't think we completed a pass that went longer than 5-7 yards in the air on Saturday. With the way our defense has played this year, if we had Dom Randolph, we would be 5-0. If we had something close to Dom Randolph, we would be at least 4-1. I don't know if the offense needs to be simplified or what, but the staff needs to figure out a way to work around what is going on with the offense before the season is totally lost. With a game as disappointing as that one, it's hard to imagine that the stadium "experience" was worse, but I think it just may have been. I have never seen so many people tailgating on both Freshmen and the baseball fields (actually a fun environment in both places) and so few people going inside the stadium (SHOCKED that a letter didn't do anything!). And it's difficult to blame them. The decision by Pine to hire RGIS security has created an atrocious experience inside and around the stadium and there is absolutely no life to the presentation of the game - obviously no video boards, no attempt at creating entertainment between the extremely excessive number of timeouts, a completely lackluster concession selection. I would love to know how much money we are paying to the unprofessional thugs from RGIS who are looking for trouble in about as peaceful of an environment as you can have for a sporting event (has anyone ever seen anything happen at Fitton that would require security?). An absolute disgrace. Amen!
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Post by hc87 on Oct 2, 2017 18:16:28 GMT -5
The only difference between the "Fitton experience" of say the 1980s and 2010s btw is that we won more than we lost and you could tailgate a little bit more freely back then....other than that, it's basically the same today(for bettah or worse)....different world....younger people/students need to be entertained: video boards, contests etc at games instead of entertaining one another at the game. Oh yeah, and there were post-game cocktail receptions in the Fieldhouse
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Post by rickii on Oct 2, 2017 18:47:41 GMT -5
Sorry I am a downer, but I can't take this anymore and wonder why I tune in every week. Last week I kept checking my phone the whole Dartmouth game and thought finally a miracle would happen and we would win. I keep thinking maybe this is the year - every year - and I really try to be positive, but the seasons just seem to unravel quickly. Some people started talking about us running the PL this year - I have my doubts. I can't believe this is the same school I attended when I look at our empty stands!! It's unbelievably sad what has happened to our winning culture. There is support for this school out there if we could just learn to win a few tight games. Alums are not fair weather fans, they are just exhausted from losing . I have no answers but something more has to change. I think this post sums up a lot of what people feel. Three excellent games to start the season and now this. Let's all be honest. The only real winnable game left on their schedule is GTown. With a 5th Year QB, at least 2 5th Year O lineman. I don't feel like anyone on this thread has been unfair or negative for that matter. Simply matter of fact. This loss is atrocious. It's brutal. Frustrating doesn't even capture it fairly. It's way beyond frustrating at this point. I respectfully disagree. The Bucknell game was sloppy....that should have raised a yellow flag....but seemingly was written off as a hiccup after the UNH gem. But then another sub-par outing/headscratcher up at Dartmouth. And now an absolute clunker versus an awful, awful Lafayette.
The irony in all this is, after years of bad DEFENCE, it's the OFFENCE that inexplicitly is a mess all of a sudden. What the heck has happened to the team I watched versus UConn
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Post by hc87 on Oct 2, 2017 20:11:38 GMT -5
UNH game was after Bucknell....not that it really matters
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2017 9:16:35 GMT -5
It matters because HC was improving for three straight weeks, plateaued at Dartmouth and took a huge step backward against Lafayette.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 3, 2017 9:27:18 GMT -5
coaching failed, did not plateau, at Dartmouth
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2017 10:22:52 GMT -5
coaching failed, did not plateau, at Dartmouth I would respectfully disagree - we had two chances to win (in regulation and again in OT). Coaching was part of the reason we got there.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 3, 2017 10:51:17 GMT -5
And part of the reason we lost
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 3, 2017 10:55:09 GMT -5
The "plateau" of coaching this season was the first 30 minutes of the UConnvict game and the entire UNH game.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 3, 2017 11:32:05 GMT -5
The "plateau" of coaching this season was the first 30 minutes of the UConnvict game and the entire UNH game. Yes, because the coaching clearly had nothing to do with shutting out Bucknell and being an EXTRA F'ING POINT away from beating a 3-0 Dartmouth team that just won at Penn. TG and staff have had us in a position to win every game this year. If not for below average play from the most important position on the field and the field goal kicker, we would be 4-1 (at the very least).
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Post by hchoops on Oct 3, 2017 12:10:08 GMT -5
The coaching staff has had us in a position to win many close games over the last seven years( Some Georgetown games come to mind), but we lost. If these losses in previous years were also due to the players, who recruited those players ? This is a bad time to be defending these coaches. They may have put us in a position to defeat a horrible Lafayette team, but they then made horrific decisions to assure us losing.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 3, 2017 12:22:25 GMT -5
The coaching staff has had us in a position to win many close games over the last seven years( Some Georgetown games come to mind), but we lost. If these losses in previous years were also due to the players, who recruited those players ? This is a bad time to be defending these coaches. They may have put us in a position to defeat a horrible Lafayette team, but they then made horrific decisions to assure us losing. The performance of the team as a whole over the past several years has been far, far lower than this year. You can blame the players, coaches, strength coaches, trainers, administration, whoever else you want. Those teams would not have even been in the games against UCONN, UNH, and Datrmouth. The team has taken a tremendous leap forward this year, led by a defense that looks nothing like what we have seen for the last who knows how many years. Everyone can share the blame for the last two losses, but the fact of the matter is that we were an EXTRA F'ING POINT away from beating Dartmouth and literally anything more than 7 points away from beating Lafayette. I have no defense to go for it on 4th down against Lafayette, but there is absolutely no way that the game should have been close to coming down to that point if we had executed on an even average level for the 57 minutes before that point.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 3, 2017 12:29:27 GMT -5
your “everyone can share the blame” is a bit silly. The head coach is mostly responsible, period, for wins and losses. Unfortunately Gilmore has had far too many losses, especially in close games. You are correct that the Lafayette game should not have been close, but the coaching staff is responsible for the total poor game, not just the end of game decisions.
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 3, 2017 12:50:26 GMT -5
I just watched our last offensive play from the Lafayette game.
This looks like a read option that Peter should have pulled and run to the left with as their Defensive End crashed.
It almost looks like our RB held onto the ball even though Peter was trying to pull it out.
Obviously, this doesn't change much, but it's just the first time I had a chance to see the play -- If it had been executed properly I believe it could have been a big gain.
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