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Post by hc87 on Oct 4, 2017 12:09:28 GMT -5
It is Wednesday after all and there is a game this week. I know next to nothing about these guys outside of the fact they are undefeated playing PL teams (LC, LU and Buck). They've also beaten Hampton in OT and lost to what looks like a decent Albany team 14-28. Their football website: monmouthhawks.com/index.aspx?path=football
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 4, 2017 12:54:53 GMT -5
The over/under on pages for the HC/Monmouth gameday thread is 6. I'll take the over, but just barely
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 4, 2017 12:55:55 GMT -5
In a general sense, their ground game is better than their passing attack. Their most productive runner is Peter Guerriero (soph, 5'10" 195) who has rushed for 553 yards in 5 games. He picked up 418 of those yards against Lehigh and Lafayette in the first two games of the year. Their #2 rusher is Erik Zokouri (freshman, 5'10" 200) who has compiled 231 yards. He has only played in Monmouth's last two games (wins over Hampton and Bucknell) and appears to now be getting some of Guerrero's carries. They have a soph QB, Kenji Bahar (6'3", 190) who has completed 90 of 139 pass attempts and been intercepted only 3 times in 5 games.
They have a very good defensive player in Teddy Martinez (6'0" 190). the senior defensive back was the Big South player of the week (his first such award). Their rushing defense is a bit ahead of their pass defense. Opponents have gotten twice as many first downs passing as by rushing (52 to 25).
I picked Monmouth in our weekly picks, but I believe a ticked off Crusader team can up their game and take the Monmouth Hawks. If we play as we did against Lafayette, theHawks win by 2 touchdowns.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 4, 2017 13:30:05 GMT -5
Monmouth is run oriented and has an excellent run defense. The team averages 5.5 yards/carry versus 2.3 yards/carry for their opponents and they gain 208 yards/game on the ground vs. just 75 for opponents. 17 TD's vs 6.
Monmouth has been less successful in the air, averaging 6.4 yards/pass vs. 6.9 for opponents and 177 passing yards/game vs. 244 for opponents (opponents may have to throw more as Monmouth has led games). Monmouth gets 177 yards/game in the air vs. 244 for opponents and has 4 TD receptions vs. 9 for opponents. Monmouth QB's complete 65% of passes (vs 59% for opponents) but it looks like mostly shorter passes
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 4, 2017 13:34:27 GMT -5
The high percentage of pass completions would seem to bear that out. Our O and D lines will probably be key this week (getting time for Peter and stopping the Hawk running game).
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 4, 2017 13:36:03 GMT -5
They have a very good defensive player in Teddy Martinez (6'0" 190). the senior defensive back was the Big South player of the week (his first such award). Their rushing defense is a bit ahead of their pass defense. Opponents have gotten twice as many first downs passing as by rushing (52 to 25). Not to hijack the thread or anything but anyone else remember the utility infielder for the Mets in the early 70's by the same name? He wasn't very good but remember well.
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Post by joe on Oct 4, 2017 13:54:28 GMT -5
I'll be sure to check out the Crossports recap after the game, which I'm not going to watch.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 4, 2017 13:54:41 GMT -5
They have a very good defensive player in Teddy Martinez (6'0" 190). the senior defensive back was the Big South player of the week (his first such award). Their rushing defense is a bit ahead of their pass defense. Opponents have gotten twice as many first downs passing as by rushing (52 to 25). Not to hijack the thread or anything but anyone else remember the utility infielder for the Mets in the early 70's by the same name? He wasn't very good but remember well. Teddy Martinez was a versatile infielder-outfielder for the New York Mets in the early 1970s. Despite showing promise, he could dislodge neither Bud Harrelson at shortstop nor Felix Millan at second base and was dealt to the St. Louis Cardinals and then the Oakland Athletics before returning to the minor leagues in 1976. In 1977, Martinez received a new lease on his baseball life as he was acquired by the Los Angeles Dodgers as a utility infielder, a role at which he excelled for three seasons. He was a hitting coach for the Sinon Bulls of the CPBL. Martinez was brought in when the Bulls signed a working agreement with the Los Angeles Dodgers in 1996. Martinez managed the 1992-1993 DSL Dodgers 1 and the Dominican national team for the 2007 Pan American Games.
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 4, 2017 14:49:52 GMT -5
The team is in a very precarious situation after now losing 2 very close games in a row --- Will be interesting to see how they respond -- Are they willing to fight this now uphill battle for the Patriot League Championship or will they throw in the towel early..
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Post by ncaam on Oct 4, 2017 15:40:33 GMT -5
Will they have confidence in the coaching?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 4, 2017 15:41:11 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by joutsHC77 on Oct 4, 2017 16:29:51 GMT -5
It would seem to me if they are throwing short passes, our DBs should play tight and not give them the normal 10 yard cushion which is their typical play. Tighten everything up and we should be in the game. Good luck Saders!
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Post by hcpride on Oct 4, 2017 21:25:48 GMT -5
I saw the highlights from their games and their team speed matches up very favorably with Patriot League competition. Albany (a top 25 CAA team who beat Villanova) does not have this weakness and was able to beat Monmouth. We're in for a tough one.
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Post by rickii on Oct 5, 2017 12:24:51 GMT -5
Now that we've somehow succeeded in self-inflicting ourselves down into the muck of this horrid league pennant race, anyone honestly think Gilmore can inspire the troops versus Monmouth and Yale ? Didn't look like it 1 month ago but now these would be far bigger upsets than UNH was.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 5, 2017 12:28:34 GMT -5
Didn't look like it 1 month ago but now these would be far bigger upsets than UNH was. I'm not sure about that. UNH is still a top 15 team (was #9 when we played them), and we were nearly two touchdown underdogs to them. HC is favored by a field goal this weekend. We'll likely be no more than 6-10 point dogs to Yale.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 5, 2017 13:24:46 GMT -5
Other than home field, a questionable advantage, I cannot figure why we are favored vs Monmouth. I guess we are still living off the UNH game, to the bettors anyway. Who bets these games ?
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Post by breezy on Oct 5, 2017 13:50:02 GMT -5
I think it should be kept in mind that while we are probably not as good as we looked against UNH, it is most likely that we are also not as bad as we looked against Lafayette.
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Post by td128 on Oct 5, 2017 13:55:02 GMT -5
Holy Cross Overall Team Statistics (as of Oct 02, 2017) All games
TEAM STATISTICS HC OPP -------------------------------------------------------- SCORING....................... 124 90 Points Per Game............. 24.8 18.0 Points Off Turnovers........ 41 13 FIRST DOWNS.............. 109 86 Rushing..................... 39 30 Passing..................... 62 48 Penalty..................... 8 8 RUSHING YARDAGE.......676 599 Yards gained rushing...... 763 734 Yards lost rushing.......... 87 135 Rushing Attempts............ 167 156 Average Per Rush........... 4.0 3.8 Average Per Game.........135.2 119.8 TDs Rushing................. 7 5 PASSING YARDAGE.....1316 1124 Comp-Att-Int........... 121-222-3 123-195-4 Average Per Pass............ 5.9 5.8 Average Per Catch......... 10.9 9.1 Average Per Game....... 263.2 224.8 TDs Passing................. 8 7 TOTAL OFFENSE...... 1992 1723 Total Plays................. 389 351 Average Per Play......... 5.1 4.9 Average Per Game........398.4 344.6 KICK RETURNS: #-Yards...12-259 19-346 PUNT RETURNS: #-Yards. 12-50 11-80 INT RETURNS: #-Yards.......... 4-0 3-6 KICK RETURN AVERAGE........... 21.6 18.2 PUNT RETURN AVERAGE........... 4.2 7.3 INT RETURN AVERAGE............ 0.0 2.0 FUMBLES-LOST.................. 7-2 11-7 PENALTIES-Yards............... 30-252 28-262 Average Per Game............ 50.4 52.4 PUNTS-Yards................... 29-1209 32-1296 Average Per Punt............ 41.7 40.5 Net punt average............ 38.2 38.9 KICKOFFS-Yards................ 26-1524 17-1005 Average Per Kick............ 58.6 59.1 Net kick average............ 40.5 36.5 TIME OF POSSESSION/Game....... 30:29 29:31 3RD-DOWN Conversions.......... 28/85 20/72 3rd-Down Pct................ 33% 28% 4TH-DOWN Conversions.......... 10/17 8/16 4th-Down Pct................ 59% 50% SACKS BY-Yards................ 11-68 8-44 MISC YARDS.................... 0 0 TOUCHDOWNS SCORED............. 15 12 FIELD GOALS-ATTEMPTS.......... 7-10 3-4 ON-SIDE KICKS................. 0-0 0-0 RED-ZONE SCORES............... (18-21) 86% (8-13) 62% RED-ZONE TOUCHDOWNS........... (12-21) 57% (7-13) 54% PAT-ATTEMPTS.................. (13-14) 93% (9-11) 82% ATTENDANCE.................... 15670 33516 Games/Avg Per Game.......... 2/7835 3/11172 Neutral Site Games.......... 0/0
SCORE BY QUARTERS 1st 2nd 3rd 4th OT Total -------------------- --- --- --- --- --- --- Holy Cross.......... 16 54 28 20 6 - 124 Opponents........... 21 6 33 23 7 - 90
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Post by joe on Oct 5, 2017 14:44:46 GMT -5
I think it should be kept in mind that while we are probably not as good as we looked against UNH, it is most likely that we are also not as bad as we looked against Lafayette. Hope not but if history hold up, we are.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 5, 2017 14:56:28 GMT -5
The only stat that matters 2-3, 1-1
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Post by lou on Oct 5, 2017 14:58:30 GMT -5
I think it should be kept in mind that while we are probably not as good as we looked against UNH, it is most likely that we are also not as bad as we looked against Lafayette. What I watched was a Lafayette defense that we couldn't solve. It could happen again
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Post by hcpride on Oct 5, 2017 15:16:17 GMT -5
Other than home field, a questionable advantage, I cannot figure why we are favored vs Monmouth. I guess we are still living off the UNH game, to the bettors anyway. Who bets these games ? I agree with you. Perhaps the Patriot League is so weak that Monmouth gets essentially no credit for those three victories and lost to CAA Albany while we did beat CAA New Hampshire. I know, what about our horrendous home loss to Lafayette? Shouldn't that factor very heavily especially since Monmouth crushed the very same Lafayette early this season? I am as mystified as you.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 5, 2017 16:12:40 GMT -5
This is the type of game that Gilmore-led teams have often won in the past... i.e. sort of "out of nowhere wins" (see Harvard last year as an example.) And then we proceed to be defeated by someone we probably shouldn't lose to....inconsistency has been the hallmark of the Gilmore regime.
I'll say this, if we lose Saturday, we'll have a very difficult climb to 6-5...which may be the "magic number" in him keeping this job.
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Post by realism on Oct 5, 2017 18:06:21 GMT -5
I'll say this, if we lose Saturday, we'll have a very difficult climb to 6-5...which may be the "magic number" in him keeping this job. I hate to digress from the topic at hand...... .....But, I think you're probably correct about the "6-5-ish" range being among the variables that TPTB will use in deliberating about HCTG's future. Sorry to inform you, that although you may have been spot-on about HCTG's on-field faux pas, it's not going to be the total consideration by TPTB. My impression is that you believe that TPTB/ADNP share your fantasy of returning Holy Cross back to the "glory years." I think ADNP has already laid a serious foundation reflecting what the TPTB want: respectability and visibility for the institution via the excellent future schedules that ADNP has assembled. Don't believe me ? Why don't you count how many times ADNP referred to "branding" opportunities rather than highlight reel performance in interviews after the UNH game. At this stage, the TPTB want to feel comfortable that HCTG can deliver .500- type seasons and present a clean program of real student-athletes. And at least appear that H.C. belongs on the field today with these historical foes, creating illusions that H.C. is among their institutional "peers.' They'll also enjoy avoiding the financial and "dice throwing" risks associated with firing/hiring coaches. They know they'll be second-guessed regardless of their decision. It's a different situation being a fiduciary for alma mater than being a fan. The speculation about throwing money at prospective coaches to make H.C. a juggernaught seems closer to fantasy football than the STAGE where H.C. is at currently back here on terra firma.
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Post by breezy on Oct 5, 2017 18:52:25 GMT -5
Looks like the gray uniforms for Saturday.
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