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Post by hchoops on Oct 16, 2017 19:44:01 GMT -5
Either would be fine with me.
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Post by crusader1970 on Oct 16, 2017 20:15:10 GMT -5
Either would be fine with me. I agree 100%. Duffner and McGovern IMO should clearly be the first two calls by Pine. If they both express no interest in the job, only then do you open it up to other candidates.
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Post by joe on Oct 16, 2017 20:18:10 GMT -5
Either would be fine with me. I agree 100%. Duffner and McGovern IMO should clearly be the first two calls by Pine. If they both express no interest in the job, only then do you open it up to other candidates. Yup. That’s the play.
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Post by Ray on Oct 16, 2017 20:24:30 GMT -5
My memory's not what it used to be... but McGovern must have been mentioned as a candidate during the last search, right? He was LB coach at BC at the time. Was he not interested back then? If not, then how likely is it that he's interested now, when his career has advanced several rungs since then?
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Post by hc87 on Oct 16, 2017 20:25:18 GMT -5
Could be wrong (hope I am) but I think Duff is very content to be doing what he's doing and living in Florida....not sure he's up for the rigors of being a "rebuilding head coach,", bus rides to Hamilton, Januarys, Februarys in Woo etc etc at this juncture of his life.
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Post by crusader1970 on Oct 16, 2017 20:35:42 GMT -5
My memory's not what it used to be... but McGovern must have been mentioned as a candidate during the last search, right? He was LB coach at BC at the time. Was he not interested back then? If not, then how likely is it that he's interested now, when his career has advanced several rungs since then? You may be correct. Nevertheless it's worth a phone call.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 16, 2017 20:36:29 GMT -5
Duff’s interview with the Catholic newspaper recently posted here gave a slight hint that he may be willing to return and rebuild the program he helped build.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 16, 2017 20:38:45 GMT -5
Not pooh-poohing it....worth a shot obviously....just don't see it happening.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 16, 2017 20:42:06 GMT -5
I actually wasn't following HC football as closely in 2003-4...different landscape now: schollies back, Luth etc but does anyone remember who were the finalists then before selecting Gilmore?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 16, 2017 21:03:52 GMT -5
Regan wanted to hire Steve Nelson. Father Brooks used some of his influence to hire Gilmore.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 16, 2017 21:11:49 GMT -5
You have a better chance of hitting the lottery & getting zapped by lightning on the same day than you do of a current NFL assistant taking the HC job.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 16, 2017 21:20:49 GMT -5
Maybe but McGovern I could possibly see....a LOT of familial ties to the school, he could view this as the challenge of his life (which it might well be)....
Whitey makes more sense than Duff in terms of someone who would possibly take the job.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 16, 2017 21:24:07 GMT -5
Not happening.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 16, 2017 21:52:59 GMT -5
Maybe not...I'll say this though, I'll bet very, very few here at this time last week thought Gilmore would be gone now....one nevah knows.
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Post by Sader Fan on Oct 16, 2017 22:29:15 GMT -5
Remember that Duffner had scholarship players when the rest of the PL did not have them (Still he had a great record at HC). He then did poorly at Maryland and was fired.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 16, 2017 22:42:39 GMT -5
Maybe not...I'll say this though, I'll bet very, very few here at this time last week thought Gilmore would be gone now....one nevah knows. Right you are. At least one member of our board posted with an air of absolute authority that there was no way CTG would get whacked mid-season
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Post by hc87 on Oct 16, 2017 23:12:24 GMT -5
Remember that Duffner had scholarship players when the rest of the PL did not have them (Still he had a great record at HC). He then did poorly at Maryland and was fired. Duff did beat a lot of scholarship schools in that era too (UMass, William&Mary, Villanova, BU, decent Army teams twice)....point being, yes Duff had inherent advantages against PL/IL schools of that era...but they were very good teams who would have held their own against any 1-AA school in that era.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 16, 2017 23:47:36 GMT -5
Remember that Duffner had scholarship players when the rest of the PL did not have them (Still he had a great record at HC). He then did poorly at Maryland and was fired. Duff did beat a lot of scholarship schools in that era too (UMass, William&Mary, Villanova, BU, decent Army teams twice)....point being, yes Duff had inherent advantages against PL/IL schools of that era...but they were very good teams who would have held their own against any 1-AA school in that era. Not only were those teams very good, at least one would be in the discussion to be considered one of the best I-AA/FCS teams of all time. Holy Cross finished the 1987 ranked #1 in the final I-AA poll despite sitting out the playoffs.
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 17, 2017 0:15:18 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 17, 2017 5:38:51 GMT -5
During some of the Duff years, he had assistants whose subsequent careers surpassed his. Those type of assistants aren't coming back.
Why has no one mentioned Mike Sherman? Might it be that Sherman, at this point in his life is saying, 'been there, done that'?
The recruiting environment is way different than it was 30 years ago, and its certainly more complicated for coaches in the Northeast because of the shifting demographics and decline in participation at the high school level. I am also reminded of FCRW saying he was getting to be too old to recruit. When FCRW said that, he was two years younger than Duffner is today.
Duffner is 64 years old. (Sherman is a year younger.) For those posters who are of a similar age, or past that age, how many of you would make a career change and go back to what you were doing 30 years ago?
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Post by joe on Oct 17, 2017 6:09:46 GMT -5
Think folks underestimate the rigors of an assistant coaching position in the NFL, as if it’s some cush, country club lifestyle with banker’s hours. Plus a lot of these guys are inherently alpha dogs, moreso at 60 than 30 for some, and are most comfortable running the show. Look at Peter Vaas who has moved between the pros and college for decades and done just fine. For someone out there the head coaching job at HC checks all the boxes. For others it doesn’t. To go back to the Peter Vaas analogy, here is a man that would probably take the HC coaching job in a heartbeat, probably will claim he can do better now that we have schollies and he has an entire coaching career behind him. I’m not saying this should be an option we’d consider, just an example of how multifactorial this is.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 17, 2017 6:20:31 GMT -5
Vaas is older than Duffner or Sherman. ____________________ If you're a Medicare eligible coach, you had better be legendary, or near-legendary if you expect a Chris Matthews' leg thrill when a recruit and his/her parents meet you.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 17, 2017 8:52:55 GMT -5
McGovern might bring a contact at Bergen Catholic with him. They have been turning out P5 recruits at an impressive level for several years now.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 17, 2017 8:54:20 GMT -5
You have a better chance of hitting the lottery & getting zapped by lightning on the same day than you do of a current NFL assistant taking the HC job. So it is "possible" then...good.
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Post by Tom on Oct 17, 2017 8:57:17 GMT -5
Random thought on the Duffner/McGovern conversation. . .
It's reasonable to assume that even as assistants, these guys are under contract at least through the end of the season. NFL policy is that no other NFL team can talk to an assistant during the season - even for a head coaching job. Obviously HC is not another NFL team, but a contract is still a contract and HC can't entice people to break binding contracts. Losing a linebacker coach in the middle of the season would be disruptive. What possible benefit is there to NY/Tampa Bay to let Holy Cross talk to either guy before the season is over?
I don't think HC will offer any NFL team enough to let an assistant coach quit mid-season and I don't think HC will want to wait until 2018 to fill the void. Even IF Duffner or McGovern wanted to come back, I don't think they would have an opportunity
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