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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 21, 2017 19:47:09 GMT -5
Yeah - too bad HC had to "settle" for a B1G coach.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 21, 2017 19:55:40 GMT -5
And would Kevin W have accepted ? Do you know why this alleged offer was allegedly withdrawn ? 1) Likely. Job security would have been very compelling at that point in time. 2) Only ADNP knows that, but I can only think of a couple reasons that make any sense, and they aren't good.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 21, 2017 19:59:38 GMT -5
Are we really comfortable with Nate hiring a football coach? I'm not comfortable with that.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 21, 2017 20:01:51 GMT -5
I'm still of the belief that we are better served by having a coach with HC connections over a guy like Chesney.
Who sells HC better? A guy like Lee Hull (or others of his ilk) who went to HC, had the world open up to him because of the school and his playing days there, played professionally, has coached and recruited at this level (and higher) etc etc or a guy like Chesney (young, accomplished winner at the D2, D3 level)?
Just my .02
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 21, 2017 20:03:06 GMT -5
I'm still of the belief that we are better served by having a coach with HC connections over a guy like Chesney. Who sells HC better? A guy like Lee Hull (or others of his ilk) who went to HC, had the world open up to him because of the school and his playing days there, played professionally, has coached and recruited at this level (and higher) etc etc or a guy like Chesney (young, accomplished winner at the D2, D3 level)? Just my .02 If those were the options I would go with Hull. Given where we currently stand I think we need to aim higher initially.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 21, 2017 20:09:05 GMT -5
Chesney sounds Iike a great candidate to me. He is winning at a high rate at Assumption, so he's either been able to recruit better players than in the past and better than competition, or he's great at X's & O's, or both. Of course there's also player development, attracting good assistants, etc-- but the point I'm trying to make is that it can't be an accident that he is doing do well. I claim no expertise in football but I believe if you can do it in D-2 you can do it in D-1
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Post by hchoops on Oct 21, 2017 20:11:55 GMT -5
And would Kevin W have accepted ? Do you know why this alleged offer was allegedly withdrawn ? 1) Likely. Job security would have been very compelling at that point in time. 2) Only ADNP knows that, but I can only think of a couple reasons that make any sense, and they aren't good. “Likely” ? i guess your source is sure of this unlikely “likely” and what are your “ not good “ alleged reasons for the withdrawal ? pardon my scepticism since I do not know you, your “expertise” or your source(s)
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 21, 2017 20:15:03 GMT -5
I'm still of the belief that we are better served by having a coach with HC connections over a guy like Chesney. Who sells HC better? A guy like Lee Hull (or others of his ilk) who went to HC, had the world open up to him because of the school and his playing days there, played professionally, has coached and recruited at this level (and higher) etc etc or a guy like Chesney (young, accomplished winner at the D2, D3 level)? Just my .02 Perhaps Hull can sell HC better, or perhaps Chesney is a smart guy and great recruiter who can figure out how to sell HC? Either way, recruiting is important, but it is at least even and maybe lower on the list of key components to be successful at HC as player development and X's & O's. Recruiting alone will not turn the program around.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 21, 2017 20:21:38 GMT -5
1) Likely. Job security would have been very compelling at that point in time. 2) Only ADNP knows that, but I can only think of a couple reasons that make any sense, and they aren't good. “Likely” ? i guess your source is sure of this unlikely “likely” and what are your “ not good “ alleged reasons for the withdrawal ? pardon my scepticism since I do not know you, your “expertise” or your source(s) A message board is not the place for speculation about motive like this, and I don't think it would be allowed under the rules of this particular board. I trust my sources and the story all adds up. It's certainly your right to have your own opinions. The next football hire will be signing a contract in which the College will be committing 7 figures over the next 4-6 years, in addition to the buyout of Gilmore's contract extension, likely in the hundreds of thousands (assuming the extension did not have dead years based on reaching certain hurdles). The search needs to be handled correctly.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 21, 2017 20:34:27 GMT -5
Chesney sounds Iike a great candidate to me. He is winning at a high rate at Assumption, so he's either been able to recruit better players than in the past and better than competition, or he's great at X's & O's, or both. Of course there's also player development, attracting good assistants, etc-- but the point I'm trying to make is that it can't be an accident that he is doing do well. I claim no expertise in football but I believe if you can do it in D-2 you can do it in D-1 I could see why the HC position might not be attractive at this point to up-and-coming coaches. One suspects they do their homework and gauge likelihood of success.
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Post by purple1 on Oct 22, 2017 10:56:10 GMT -5
Many inquiries have come in to ADNP this week. He expects a solid group of coaching candidates for this position to right the program. Administration still needs to get other departments, admissions, to buy into the commitment for the football program. I heard no talk of dropping the program, but rather how can we correct and build the football program at Holy Cross ?
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Post by Dean Wormer on Nov 4, 2017 20:26:34 GMT -5
Already have a thread talking about candidates for the next HC.
Let's talk about candidates, real, ideal, and imagined here as well as anything about the process here.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 11, 2017 23:16:08 GMT -5
Looking forward to some rumors, speculation and ultimately a decision on the coaching search so we can turn the page quickly.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 11, 2017 23:32:45 GMT -5
Do we know how this process will take place? Will there be a committee to winnow who the final candidates may be etc?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 11, 2017 23:49:09 GMT -5
NP already on record saying there will be a committee involved. Who knows to what extent and how deep in the process they will be be involved.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 12, 2017 0:25:16 GMT -5
NP already on record saying there will be a committee involved. Who knows to what extent and how deep in the process they will be be involved. Sounds like you are plugged into TPTB. Can you confirm that AD Pine "intends to rely on a CROSSPORTS Poll to make the final decision"?
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Post by joe on Nov 12, 2017 11:06:03 GMT -5
Is there a committee yet? Anyone here on it? Any news? This can’t be a slow burn. Clock is ticking.
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Post by Xmassader on Nov 13, 2017 14:35:56 GMT -5
IMO, the committee should be looking primarily at candidates who have head coaching experience with excellent records (i.e. .700 winning % or greater with championship seasons). Since it is unlikely that a coach with those credentials at the FBS or FCS level would be attracted to HC, I have focused on the D-II and D-III levels and, more specifically, on 2 candidates whose names have been mentioned in previous posts---Glenn Caruso of the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota and Bob Chesney of Assumption College.
Glenn Caruso: 43 yrs. old, born in Greenwich, CT. A graduate of Ithaca College in '96 where he played center from '92-'95. Since his graduation, he has been an assistant coach for 10 yrs. and a head coach for 12 yrs. His assistant coach duties were as an offensive line coach (Ithaca-'96 and Wisconsin-Eau Claire-'04), running backs, tight ends and offensive coordinator (North Dakota St. '97-'03) and offensive coordinator (Sot Dakota-'04-'05). He has been a head coach since '06, first at Macalester College, an independent D-III school in Minnesota, and for the last 10 yrs. at St. Thomas. His overall head coaching record is 131-35 (.789) including 24 D-III playoff games (17-7). His overall regular season record through last Saturday is 114-28 (.803) with an overall regular season record at St. Thomas of 108-16 (.871) including 6 first place conference finishes and 4 second place conference finishes in 10 years and 8 D-III playoff appearances in 10 yrs. (including 2 championship game appearances). While his record at Macalester, his first head coaching spot was only 6-12, he was undoubtedly identified as an "up and comer" since the Scots had previously set a D-III record of most losses in a row (50) in the late '70s. St. Thomas takes on Eureka College in the first round of the D-III playoffs next Saturday and, if they win, will play the winner of the Berry-Huntingdon game on November 25th.
Bob Chesney: 39 yrs. old (guesstimate based on college graduation yr.). A graduate of Dickinson College '00, where he played from '96-'99. Since his graduation , he has been an assistant coach for 10 yrs. His assistant coach duties were as a defensive assistant, special teams coach and associate head coach (Delaware Valley-'00, Norwich-'01-'02, King's College-'03-'04 and Johns Hopkins-'05-'09). He has been a head coach since '10, first at Salve Regina ('10-'12) and then at Assumption ('13-'17). His record at Salve Regina was 23-9 (.719), going from 6-4 to 8-3 and then 9-2 in his final yr. with an appearance in the NEFC championship game. At Assumption, his record in 5 yrs., including this yr., is 42-15 (.737) with 2 NEC-10 championships, 3 NCAA D-II playoff appearances (including this year) and 5 straight winning seasons starting with 6-5 and then going 7-4, 11-2, 9-3 and 9-1 in the next 4 yrs. Chesney's 5 winning seasons at Assumption in 5 yrs. represent 50% of the total number of winning seasons in Assumption history.
Hopefully, if he has not already done so, ADNP will reach out to both of these candidates and their representatives (and any others with similar credentials).
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 13, 2017 15:00:05 GMT -5
Great analysis--you make a solid case for these men to be candidates
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Post by HC92 on Nov 13, 2017 16:18:22 GMT -5
Great analysis--you make a solid case for these men to be candidates For the record, Caruso was my guy so, if we hire him, I want whatever we’d normally pay a search consultant for a big hire like this.
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Post by spenser on Nov 13, 2017 16:43:06 GMT -5
Good to see people looking forward again...
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 13, 2017 16:50:35 GMT -5
The one BIG difference between Caruso and Chesney, Caruso has coached in Division I. That said, Rick Carter never had coached in Division I either, but the AD at the time was not someone who had spent his entire career at FBS (and BCS other than Army) schools before arriving at HC.
ADNP's great big Rolodex of names very likely includes very few below the Division I level.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 13, 2017 17:08:36 GMT -5
IMO, the committee should be looking primarily at candidates who have head coaching experience with excellent records (i.e. .700 winning % or greater with championship seasons). Since it is unlikely that a coach with those credentials at the FBS or FCS level would be attracted to HC, I have focused on the D-II and D-III levels and, more specifically, on 2 candidates whose names have been mentioned in previous posts---Glenn Caruso of the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota and Bob Chesney of Assumption College. Glenn Caruso: 43 yrs. old, born in Greenwich, CT. A graduate of Ithaca College in '96 where he played center from '92-'95. Since his graduation, he has been an assistant coach for 10 yrs. and a head coach for 12 yrs. His assistant coach duties were as an offensive line coach (Ithaca-'96 and Wisconsin-Eau Claire-'04), running backs, tight ends and offensive coordinator (North Dakota St. '97-'03) and offensive coordinator (Sot Dakota-'04-'05). He has been a head coach since '06, first at Macalester College, an independent D-III school in Minnesota, and for the last 10 yrs. at St. Thomas. His overall head coaching record is 131-35 (.789) including 24 D-III playoff games (17-7). His overall regular season record through last Saturday is 114-28 (.803) with an overall regular season record at St. Thomas of 108-16 (.871) including 6 first place conference finishes and 4 second place conference finishes in 10 years and 8 D-III playoff appearances in 10 yrs. (including 2 championship game appearances). While his record at Macalester, his first head coaching spot was only 6-12, he was undoubtedly identified as an "up and comer" since the Scots had previously set a D-III record of most losses in a row (50) in the late '70s. St. Thomas takes on Eureka College in the first round of the D-III playoffs next Saturday and, if they win, will play the winner of the Berry-Huntingdon game on November 25th. Bob Chesney: 39 yrs. old (guesstimate based on college graduation yr.). A graduate of Dickinson College '00, where he played from '96-'99. Since his graduation , he has been an assistant coach for 10 yrs. His assistant coach duties were as a defensive assistant, special teams coach and associate head coach (Delaware Valley-'00, Norwich-'01-'02, King's College-'03-'04 and Johns Hopkins-'05-'09). He has been a head coach since '10, first at Salve Regina ('10-'12) and then at Assumption ('13-'17). His record at Salve Regina was 23-9 (.719), going from 6-4 to 8-3 and then 9-2 in his final yr. with an appearance in the NEFC championship game. At Assumption, his record in 5 yrs., including this yr., is 42-15 (.737) with 2 NEC-10 championships, 3 NCAA D-II playoff appearances (including this year) and 5 straight winning seasons starting with 6-5 and then going 7-4, 11-2, 9-3 and 9-1 in the next 4 yrs. Chesney's 5 winning seasons at Assumption in 5 yrs. represent 50% of the total number of winning seasons in Assumption history. Hopefully, if he has not already done so, ADNP will reach out to both of these candidates and their representatives (and any others with similar credentials). Ridiculous criteria - if Butler and Duke used subjective hurdles like that, they would have never hired Brad Stevens (no head coaching experience) and Mike K (.553 winning percentage at Army), and the Patriots would not have hired Bill Belichick (.450 winning percentage with the Browns) - but those two guys look like they could be great candidates. Dated video here, but Caruso appears to be very impressive: Establishing subjective criteria (x-level of head coaching experience, x-winning percentage, HC grad, middle name starts with a J or M, etc.) does nothing but limit the pool of potential candidates and open us up to passing up on the best candidate because he didn't meet some hurdle that may have nothing to do with his ability to succeed as the Head Football Coach at Holy Cross. Hire the best guy.
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Post by cmo on Nov 13, 2017 17:16:20 GMT -5
I had an opportunity last week to take in an Assumption College football practice.
Knowing nothing about Chesney's ability to recruit under the AI and put together a D1 staff, I couldn't help but come away thinking Chesney should be our next head coach.
The organization, intensity, competitive nature of and excitement in this particular practice reminded me of Duffner.
I would hope ADNP wouid take in a practice and game of potential candidates (if possible) as I feel observing a coach in this setting is more telling than being able to answer questions in an interview.
If nothing else, ADNP would have insight into Chesney as a potential coordinator for another head coach we were to hire.
Just my two cents.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 13, 2017 17:17:50 GMT -5
Okay, refresh our memories: who are your top candidates?
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