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Post by hc87 on Dec 14, 2017 1:59:57 GMT -5
The difference between Holy Cross football in 2017 and 1987......Chesney today might, might have been hired as a WR coach on the HC staff in 1987.
He may well be the next head coach. That's where we are at today. Not pretty.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 14, 2017 2:09:41 GMT -5
Bentley beat Assumption this year...just sayin' * w/AC playing their #2 QB...just sayin', since you don't in any of the dozen times you've said this. The number 3 QB also played in that game. The only reason why Bentley won is a receiver going off with three TD's and over 200 yards receiving while getting a miracle TD in the final two minutes in a game that didn't matter to AC. Clinched the title and playoff berth the week before.
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Post by unhfan on Dec 14, 2017 5:13:48 GMT -5
The difference between Holy Cross football in 2017 and 1987......Chesney today might, might have been hired as a WR coach on the HC staff in 1987. He may well be the next head coach. That's where we are at today. Not pretty. As an outsider I’ve been fascinated with this discussion. Who did you expect to be named Head Coach? In all seriousness were you expecting a guy like Chip Kelly?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 14, 2017 5:35:42 GMT -5
I stepped away from this thread for 24 hours, and nothing has fundamentally changed.
As to why no announcement,
1.) Due diligence has not concluded, and/or due diligence turned up some issues.
2.) The President of Assumption is pulling a Fr. Brooks, and/or has vigorously complained to Fr. B. about HC plundering Assumption athletics.
3.) Contract issues, e.g., contract length, 'penalties' for early termination, performance incentives such as APR (which almost certainly is a big provision in the contract), autonomy in hiring. etc etc.
4.) The BoT has not signed off on the contract, or the candidate.
5.) The existence of a stealth candidate, not heretofore mentioned.
Unless 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 are issues with respect to Chesney, and Chesney is the top candidate, he should have been named by now, IMO. _________________________ I noticed that when IUP beat Assumption, Assumption was ranked #15. From the box score, Assumption's offense was underwhelming and gave up nearly 360 yards on the ground. IUP subsequently lost to the University of West Florida, probably another Div I in waiting school (U/G enrollment of 10,000). UWF plays Texas A&M @ Commerce for the title. Looking at the Texas A&M @ Commerce roster, all the players are from TX or CA. Why CA? There are only two Div II football schools in CA.
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Post by cmo on Dec 14, 2017 6:19:59 GMT -5
Who knows what has transpired in this process, but a "national search" resulting in hiring a guy a cab ride away from Mt St James isn't a good look for one Nate Pine. They used the SPUD vans to save on cab fare.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 14, 2017 6:26:37 GMT -5
An announcement will occur very soon, perhaps this morning. A selection has been made.
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Post by coach on Dec 14, 2017 7:14:12 GMT -5
My boy Kavanaugh has much more experience at the D1 level though...again, I don't think he's ready for the HC job either...but in many ways he's better prepared for it than Chesney is imo. For the record, the majority of Kavanaugh’s D1 experience was in an off-the-field role...
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Post by captainkarl on Dec 14, 2017 7:17:45 GMT -5
A kid the Capt’ played with in Little League also beat Chesney and he stunk! (Couldn’t hit the curve, you guys). Between this and ‘87 coaching a kid in HS we need to contact Pine ASAP! Though, rumor has it Pine ran out of minutes and data after his vacation to Belfast.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 14, 2017 7:20:26 GMT -5
He can't answer worc b/c he's never seen AC play. Anyone interested in seeing an Assumption football game can view the archived video of their game with IUP (DII Playoff Game) on ESPN3. I watched the first quarter just to get a feel for Chesney and his team. I'm not a football technician, so I will leave that aspect of the analysis to someone else with a more discerning eye. My three observations were: 1) he seems very energetic and active on the sideline (vs some coaches who are very stoic) 2) his team seems to play with a lot of enthusiasm 3) there were a number of formations both on offense and kick offs that I have rarely if ever seen before (thus he seems to have an innovative style) I'd be interested in others thoughts.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 14, 2017 7:30:11 GMT -5
What is the bigger leap (1) from D-2 to D-1 OR (2) from being an assistant, OC, or DC to being a head coach, responsible for everything???
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 14, 2017 7:30:58 GMT -5
Not really....West Point was actually fairly decent in hoop in the late 70s (far better than they've been in the PL overall) but this is immaterial. I think Chesney would make a good FCS OC....I don't think he's ready to take the position as HC at HC. If you had done your homework at all you would know he's actually a Defensive guy.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 14, 2017 7:36:29 GMT -5
Everyone has been living in dog years the last month.....a day seems like a week.
Regarding the selection, I think if one really wants to dig deep, you can find issues with just about anyone. If HC was considering Pete Carroll, there would be worries about calling slant patterns at the goal line.😀
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Post by hcpride on Dec 14, 2017 7:36:54 GMT -5
crusader1970 I Was on his twitter account (https://twitter.com/coachbobchesney?lang=en) and saw his kids got some huge post-season honors so clearly he can recruit and develop real stars. Specifically Cole Tracy - best kicker (Fred Murray award winner) in all of FCS, DIVII, and DIVIII (beat out Harvard's kicker for the award BTW) and AFCA 2nd Team All American; Jedidiah Scott - first team COSIDAA Academic All American (GPA 3.8+ in Economics); and Deonte Harris - AFCA First Team All American.
hc87 While looking at SHSU Head Coach Keeler I saw he went directly from D-III to Delaware where he had great success. It is not uncommon to make that move although you may not be aware of it. As an SBU fan I have been long aware that current Head Coach Chuck Priore went from D-III to SBU head coach and did pretty well. So if we hire a sitting and successful high level DII coach for our Patriot League FCS program we are in good company. It certainly didn't cause an issue when I was introduced to Coach Carter many years ago (nobody bothered with the complex explanation that the DIII champion team he led had once been low level 1AA or whatever that convoluted story was).
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 14, 2017 7:54:02 GMT -5
crusader1970 I Was on his twitter account (https://twitter.com/coachbobchesney?lang=en) and saw his kids got some huge post-season honors so clearly he can recruit and develop real stars. Specifically Cole Tracy - best kicker (Fred Murray award winner) in all of FCS, DIVII, and DIVIII (beat out Harvard's kicker for the award BTW) and AFCA 2nd Team All American; Jedidiah Scott - first team COSIDAA Academic All American (GPA 3.8+ in Economics); and Deonte Harris - AFCA First Team All American.
hc87 While looking at SHSU Head Coach Keeler I saw he went directly from D-III to Delaware where he had great success. It is not uncommon to make that move although you may not be aware of it. As an SBU fan I have been long aware that current Chuck Priore went from D-III to SBU head coach and did pretty well. So if we hire a sitting and successful high level DII coach for our Patriot League FCS program we are in good company. It certainly didn't cause an issue when I was introduced to Coach Carter many years ago (nobody bothered with the complex explanation that the DIII champion team he led had once been low level 1AA or whatever that convoluted story was). It is the Fred Mitchell Award for being the best KICKER and not the best DANCER! !
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 14, 2017 7:55:38 GMT -5
Program needs a complete overhaul...which it essentially is getting. Gilmore was simply not the right guy for the renewed scholarship-era. Not entirely all his fault (admin. support was/has been lacking, assistant pay was woeful etc) but he just didn't have the right personality, coaching acumen etc etc to make Holy Cross football an annual winner/contender. The coaching change probably should have been made when we returned to scholarship football but that's water under the bridge. Chesney may be the right guy but I have a lot of reservations. Much of the success to any football program is the cadre of assistant coaches it has...not sure Chesney will be able to assemble such a staff. I'm just very wary of his lack of experience at coaching at this level of football. I know we aren't Bama or Ohio St but he will be taking a very big jump from where he has been to coaching at Holy Cross. But, 5 years from now, if he is the "real deal" and brings HC back to prosperity (winning records, PL titles), all those reservations and doubts will have been buried in the graveyard of forgotten memories! !Just to repeat what I said last night.....
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Post by hcpride on Dec 14, 2017 8:05:48 GMT -5
crusader1970 I Was on his twitter account (https://twitter.com/coachbobchesney?lang=en) and saw his kids got some huge post-season honors so clearly he can recruit and develop real stars. Specifically Cole Tracy - best kicker (Fred Murray award winner) in all of FCS, DIVII, and DIVIII (beat out Harvard's kicker for the award BTW) and AFCA 2nd Team All American; Jedidiah Scott - first team COSIDAA Academic All American (GPA 3.8+ in Economics); and Deonte Harris - AFCA First Team All American.
hc87 While looking at SHSU Head Coach Keeler I saw he went directly from D-III to Delaware where he had great success. It is not uncommon to make that move although you may not be aware of it. As an SBU fan I have been long aware that current Chuck Priore went from D-III to SBU head coach and did pretty well. So if we hire a sitting and successful high level DII coach for our Patriot League FCS program we are in good company. It certainly didn't cause an issue when I was introduced to Coach Carter many years ago (nobody bothered with the complex explanation that the DIII champion team he led had once been low level 1AA or whatever that convoluted story was). It is the Fred Mitchell Award for being the best KICKER and not the best DANCER! !That would be ARTHUR MURRAY AWARD if it was for the for the best football DANCER: Hope I didn't confuse you with the Mitchell/Murray last name mixup. Apparently the Fred Mitchell award is a big deal in the world of kickers.
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 14, 2017 8:12:42 GMT -5
It is the Fred Mitchell Award for being the best KICKER and not the best DANCER! !That would be ARTHUR MURRAY AWARD if it was for the for the best football DANCER: Hope I didn't confuse you with the Mitchell/Murray mixup. Not at all! Maybe he did the two side step slide on his approach to kicking the ball!
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 14, 2017 8:21:49 GMT -5
I've been watching this from the sidelines since the get-go, and hope it concludes quickly. I have faith in ADNP, and believe that he's doing his homework and will make a solid decision - within the parameters that are Holy Cross athletics and academics.
While I believe that Chesney could be a very good choice, and potentially a truly outstanding choice, given all the talk about him over the past couple days, I think it would be hysterical if the final pick were someone else. Even better - a name that hasn't been discussed!
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 14, 2017 8:25:58 GMT -5
Good to see in these stressful times that some of our established and not-so-established posters are trying to bring a little levity to the situation.
Certainly we all care about the success and well-being of the Crusader football program and while we have had strong differences of opinion, for the most part, the board has remained pretty civil.
Now, hopefully, Nate Pine will soon deliver to us all a "YUGE Christmas present" by naming an outstanding football head coach that we can and should rally around.
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 14, 2017 8:29:08 GMT -5
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Post by td128 on Dec 14, 2017 8:30:26 GMT -5
There are risks and rewards with any hire.
I like Coach Chesney's profile. Love the individual who has that chip on his shoulder and enters the ring looking to punch up and prove he belongs. That eye of the tiger and ability to get others to feed off it is often the difference between those who really succeed or not. I much prefer the lunch pail guy who has a factory mentality than the sizzle of a name who comes from a country club or has a resume but never really took the risks associated with really going for it.
While there are risks in hiring somebody who may not have been on the stage before, I mean come on boys and girls, this is not that big a leap.
IMO, by far the much bigger question that needs to be answered is will the college/administration do everything needed to do to define full and total commitment. The new building is great but real commitment is defined within the personal roles, relationships, and responsibilities. There are many moving parts that go into developing and maintaining truly successful athletic programs. Making sure that everybody -- and I do mean everybody -- is on board, fully committed, and held accountable is the question before the court. The administration can not allow or promote separate fiefdoms or subordinates going behind people's backs and shame on those who engage in such practices. That is a real sign of weakness and misplaced egos.
Those involved in successful businesses would never allow those sorts of behaviors and any enterprise that does will suffer if/when that happens.
So, if in fact Coach Chesney is our next coach, I congratulate him here in advance. I guess I can't say, "Welcome to Wistah" so how about we go with . . . "Great Day to be a Crusader!!"
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 14, 2017 8:39:58 GMT -5
hc87 While looking at SHSU Head Coach Keeler I saw he went directly from D-III to Delaware where he had great success. It is not uncommon to make that move although you may not be aware of it. As an SBU fan I have been long aware that current Head Coach Chuck Priore went from D-III to SBU head coach and did pretty well. So if we hire a sitting and successful high level DII coach for our Patriot League FCS program we are in good company. It certainly didn't cause an issue when I was introduced to Coach Carter many years ago (nobody bothered with the complex explanation that the DIII champion team he led had once been low level 1AA or whatever that convoluted story was). As a SBU fan, you should know that Priore was a long time asst and coordinator on Bagnoli's staff at Penn. Thus, he did not just make a jump from D-III without experience. He was my recruiting coach there, and he was intense. Literally yelled at me on the phone for 5 monutes for committing to another Ivy during the recruiting process. Unless he has mellowed with age, the posters that thought Gilmore was "rough" on the sidelines, would be in for a surprise with Priore.
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Post by lou on Dec 14, 2017 8:48:06 GMT -5
Ultimately....it's a "lazy choice" imo... Heard you say that before. I'm starting to think just the opposite.Pine knows this could be looked at as a curious choice. He has his reasons for the hire, will explain them, then we're all going to be proud of the gutsy choice he made
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Post by gks on Dec 14, 2017 8:54:40 GMT -5
Chesney is not a lazy hire. Lamb would be. No use for an Ivy-lifer.
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Post by alum on Dec 14, 2017 9:05:21 GMT -5
Chesney is not a lazy hire. Lamb would be. No use for an Ivy-lifer. I agree. If it Chesney, NP is going out on a limb. It could be a career changer for him, too, whichever way it goes. My concern is keeping the verbal commits but, maybe, I am worrying too much. Perhaps NP, Rock, and the current assistants are confident that these kids are under control. I suppose that if many were not heavily recruited, they may not have a lot of options anyway at this late date. What might really be crazy about this is if NP has to "overpay" to get Chesney because he waited too long and the balance of power in the relationship has changed. A NYC real estate guy wrote a book that came out in the 80's that explains all of this. I am pretty sure it is still in print. Let's just get this done.
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