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Post by lou on Dec 14, 2017 14:14:47 GMT -5
If it does turn out that we have hired Coach Chesney, I think that those posters who stated, with 100% certainty, that HC would never hire him or that ADNP had refused to interview him should bear that in mind when they next contemplate pontificating on this board about some issue great or small. But Pine did refuse to interview him and rebuffed his interest while he was out traveling around thinking he could bring in a BCS guy. If that was not the case, we would have been able to make a swift hiring after Assumption's season and salvage the early signing period. 7B General Rule of thumb, if you can’t or don’t want to post how you came into the knowledge, even in a general way, and/or sign your real name to the post, you probably should not post it. Posting here is not the same as telling the person sitting next to you in the stands what you “know”/heard.
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Post by joe on Dec 14, 2017 14:17:46 GMT -5
He probably wasn’t rebuffed, probably just put on hold until the national search was concluded. Let’s assume Pine was doing due diligence. Imagine the reaction here if we hired a Worcester coach on October 20th without going through a national search process? Plus Chesney had a team to coach until just a few weeks ago. Let it go.
Welcome Coach Cheney and good luck. Take your vitamins; you’ll need them.
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Post by lfn on Dec 14, 2017 14:22:06 GMT -5
Congrats, Crossers. I think you got a good one.
Also, thanks for the scoops. I heavily suspected the voices on here that were talking about Chesney weren't blowing smoke (also it was corroborated by some other sources). They were still "unconfirmed" but seemed pretty strong to me.
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Post by crusader12 on Dec 14, 2017 14:27:37 GMT -5
Congrats, Crossers. I think you got a good one. Also, thanks for the scoops. I heavily suspected the voices on here that were talking about Chesney weren't blowing smoke (also it was corroborated by some other sources). They were still "unconfirmed" but seemed pretty strong to me. Only smoke that's blowing is what's coming out of Kimball dinning hall stack. Glad this is finally over, now time to win!
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 14, 2017 14:41:55 GMT -5
Excellent choice. I am VERY pleased. Exactly the bio I had been hoping for.
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Post by rickii on Dec 14, 2017 14:58:04 GMT -5
So howz about holding the intro press conference at mid field in the LAC, eh?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 14, 2017 14:58:46 GMT -5
...and the thread only made it to 66 pages!
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Post by lou on Dec 14, 2017 15:19:17 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Nov 23, 2019 21:15:33 GMT -5
I had an opportunity last week to take in an Assumption College football practice. Knowing nothing about Chesney's ability to recruit under the AI and put together a D1 staff, I couldn't help but come away thinking Chesney should be our next head coach. The organization, intensity, competitive nature of and excitement in this particular practice reminded me of Duffner. I would hope ADNP wouid take in a practice and game of potential candidates (if possible) as I feel observing a coach in this setting is more telling than being able to answer questions in an interview. If nothing else, ADNP would have insight into Chesney as a potential coordinator for another head coach we were to hire. Just my two cents. Bump. 😃
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 23, 2019 21:19:52 GMT -5
Nailed it cmo.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 23, 2019 21:39:45 GMT -5
Do we really need to run through the thousands of successful coaches who have been successful moving up the coaching ladder and being successful at a higher level? How did Coach K go from Army to Duke? Brad Stevens from Butler to the Celtics? Hell, how did Mike Matheney go from never being in a coaching role to being the manager for the Cardinals? Do we even go beyond coaching and into other professions? How was the sideline reporter for some news station in Nebraska ready to be on ESPN during a big time football game? Probably because they're talented. Perhaps Chesney is just very talented. It's not like he's coaching a different sport. The rules are the same. The schemes are the same. If he's a good coach, he will adapt. You don't like Chesney because of his age, experience, and the school he is coaching at. Seems shortsighted. Here's a good one from SOV
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 23, 2019 21:45:00 GMT -5
How has Chesney done so well at Assumption??? He is a good/great X's & O's coach? He is a good/ great recruiter? He is a good/ great talent developer ? He is a leader who built a team with good coaches? Doesn't one or more of those have to be true for Assumption's program to be successful? Then--wouldn't some of those factors serve him well if he does come to HC? I'd rather have a talented coach from D-2 than a safe but undistinguished D1 guy. If we can get a super talented D1 guy, so much the better, but..... Prescient
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Post by hc87 on Nov 23, 2019 21:52:18 GMT -5
I don't dare look for my posts in this thread Suffice to say, that I welcome Coach Ray-Bans with open arms....
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 23, 2019 22:25:42 GMT -5
Imagine if someone went back through all the posts praising Carmody and said they must “admit they were totally wrong”....
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Chesney has done a very nice job at HC, but this program has a long way to go to get to another level, and we ain’t going to get there if we continue on the current trajectory of our offense two years in.
This season is not the same type of total fluke that the 2016 basketball PLC was, but it is similar to that result in that it’s not the time for some to create a reason to take a “victory lap.”
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Post by efg72 on Nov 23, 2019 22:33:35 GMT -5
Success, like beauty, often is in the eyes of the beholder. I like to use the lens that finds incremental improvements in our athletic programs to be monumental and critical to a sustainable path of growth and future successes.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 24, 2019 8:22:10 GMT -5
it’s not the time for some to create a reason to take a “victory lap.” Sure it is. After all, HC won a victory, didn't they? (couldn't resist) The future is unknown, but recruiting seems to be going well, HC Has many returning key parts and, with one more year, our offense may develop in some new directions.. Coach Chesney now has a winning record at every school where he has been head coach. I am certainly willing to give him more time and I plan to enjoy watching this team progress. Of course, every opponent HC has next year's probably already looking at this year's games to make plans for how to beat HC. There will not be any getting in under the radar for HC next year or in the near future.
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Post by lou on Nov 24, 2019 9:22:57 GMT -5
Imagine if someone went back through all the posts praising Carmody and said they must “admit they were totally wrong”.... ————— Chesney has done a very nice job at HC, but this program has a long way to go to get to another level, and we ain’t going to get there if we continue on the current trajectory of our offense two years in. This season is not the same type of total fluke that the 2016 basketball PLC was, but it is similar to that result in that it’s not the time for some to create a reason to take a “victory lap.” Candidate ... Debbie-Downer post of the year
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 24, 2019 10:29:19 GMT -5
I like going back over the older posts. It's nice to crow when you get one right and it's good to admit when you're wrong. Even more important, in my opinion, is to see if you're been too strident or authoritative in your declarations that turn out wrong--could make you think twice about copping that attitude in the future. Exaggerating for effect, here's a fictitious example: "Trust me on this one, guys: this kid Keith Simmons comes out of some Podunk high school program, and he will never be able to contribute at Holy Cross. He's a D-3 player and a wasted scholarship." With Bob Chesney we had the declarations that he would not be able to recruit to D-1 and a "high academic" school due to lack of such experience while others of us countered that recruiting= selling and if you can sell Assumption and Salve Regina to prospects you can sell prospects on Holy Cross.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 24, 2019 10:50:39 GMT -5
I too am not a real fan of the RPO (isn't football due for some new fad? An offense with 2 QBs on the field at all times?), but there is one reason for me why I take excessive complaints with a grain of salt: I have yet to find a single message board in football or hoops where complaints about coaches or coaches decisions don't exist (check out the Bison board right now about N. Davis). To me, the redshirting situation is much more impactful in terms of HC being able to reach the highest level of FCS.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 24, 2019 11:29:22 GMT -5
Let’s agree that we have not achieved top 10 status that the naysayers are looking for or expecting after 2 years under the woefully under-credentialed Coach Chesney. We haven’t even beaten 1 FBS team on those same two years.
So it is obvious that the only reason we won the PL for the first time in 10 years is because we got very marginally better but everyone else in the league got significantly worse.
When we pick off an FBS team, routinely trounce the Ivies like in days of yore and beat CAA teams then we can all be happy
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 24, 2019 13:09:14 GMT -5
Let’s agree that we have not achieved top 10 status that the naysayers are looking for or expecting after 2 years under the woefully under-credentialed Coach Chesney. We haven’t even beaten 1 FBS team on those same two years. So it is obvious that the only reason we won the PL for the first time in 10 years is because we got very marginally better but everyone else in the league got significantly worse. When we pick off an FBS team, routinely trounce the Ivies like in days of yore and beat CAA teams then we can all be happy Let’s agree that we have not achieved top 10 status...cannot so agree . we did win top status in the pl this season. So it is obvious...my admittedly limited observations from the left coast is that we have a significantly improved crusader football team from last year and during the course of this season. do not see anything indicating other pl teams "got significantly worse" (but always willing to be corrected, as you know) ...then we can all be happyyour glass is what? 10% full? i'm happy now!
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 24, 2019 16:39:24 GMT -5
moose, thought you knew me better and would have recognized the tongue-in-cheek, facetious (hopefully not too sarcastic) tone of my last post. Unless, of course, you too are just putting me on.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 24, 2019 17:00:30 GMT -5
Imagine if someone went back through all the posts praising Carmody and said they must “admit they were totally wrong”....————— Chesney has done a very nice job at HC, but this program has a long way to go to get to another level, and we ain’t going to get there if we continue on the current trajectory of our offense two years in. This season is not the same type of total fluke that the 2016 basketball PLC was, but it is similar to that result in that it’s not the time for some to create a reason to take a “victory lap.” Or the "Thank you Nathan Pine" chorus that sang for his first 18 months here. Pine was definitely a , to quote HC70, a "don't let the door hit you in the arse" departure. Air Force's problem now. Carmody was a hire that you can still look back and understand why it was made. And he at least left in good graces. The NCAA run is not one we will soon forget. Kind of a "thank you for your service, mutually it is definitely time to move on but no hard feelings" type of separation.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 24, 2019 17:01:29 GMT -5
I don't dare look for my posts in this thread Suffice to say, that I welcome Coach Ray-Bans with open arms.... Lee Hull's classmates get a pass....
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 24, 2019 17:05:37 GMT -5
Safe to say that Chesney has met (if not exceeded) all expectations through year 2. After 1 PL title in our last 18 tries in a 7-team league, he wins in Year 2. We are lucky to have him. And we will need him in a Patriot League that has a lot of young talent across the board with numerous teams that should be expected to improve greatly over the next two years.
One thing that scares me -- is he someone that would already be on the radar of UMASS? Have to imagine that they are going to blow up whatever they have going on in Amherst.
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