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Post by rickii on Nov 19, 2018 12:58:12 GMT -5
I still remember ADNP saying "not will we join, but when"... I honestly don't remember that. In fact, I don't remember Pine publicly commenting at all on the speculation ( unless your referencing the women's team ? ).
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 19, 2018 14:44:52 GMT -5
Yes he said it..It was right after a tour of the Luth AC...before it was completely finished..(the Saturday after the last basketball golf tourney, a year ago last September) I asked him if the Railers were a problem using the DCU as a home site for Hockey East if HC was invited...
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Post by Sader Fan on Nov 19, 2018 16:52:02 GMT -5
I have heard ADNP say this as well and believe it will happen in due course.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 19, 2018 17:16:20 GMT -5
Is a HE capacity arena on campus a pipedream? We found $80mil for a whole athletic center could we find $45mil for one on campus as well? Freshman Field could be a suitable spot with a parking garage on Southbridge Street. How do you feel about flood zones ? HC will never build anything on Freshman Field, unless it is a parking garage. There really is no longer space at the top of the Hill for an entirely new rink. HC might be able to stick one in on Avon St, but that requires HC to pay the gas company to relocate a high-pressure natural gas pipeline. Near the bottom of the hill you could build a new arena where the tennis courts are. I once thought one could expand the existing rink by blowing out the west wall and building up, providing for very asymmetrical seating. I am now skeptical of my own scheme, because in essence, one is tripling the existing seating all on one side, and that only gets you 2500 seats. Given the cost of Colgate's (nearly $40 million for 2200+ seats) and Bentley's ($45 million for 2100 seats) new rinks, a completely new rink seating 2500 will likely run about $45-50 million and I very much doubt there are any HC supporters out there willing to fork over even a tenth of that amount.
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 19, 2018 17:26:06 GMT -5
call Bloomberg
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Post by rickii on Nov 19, 2018 18:33:22 GMT -5
Yes he said it..It was right after a tour of the Luth AC...before it was completely finished..(the Saturday after the last basketball golf tourney, a year ago last September) I asked him if the Railers were a problem using the DCU as a home site for Hockey East if HC was invited... OK....just wondering why this was never posted - or was it ? I didn't see anything in the multi-page HE thread that ran on for months.
THAT would have been big info.
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Post by spenser on Nov 19, 2018 19:02:34 GMT -5
Yes he said it..It was right after a tour of the Luth AC...before it was completely finished..(the Saturday after the last basketball golf tourney, a year ago last September) I asked him if the Railers were a problem using the DCU as a home site for Hockey East if HC was invited... OK....just wondering why this was never posted - or was it ? I didn't see anything in the multi-page HE thread that ran on for months.
THAT would have been big info.
It’s my understanding that the Railers have exclusive use of the DCU for hockey.
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 19, 2018 19:17:48 GMT -5
OK....just wondering why this was never posted - or was it ? I didn't see anything in the multi-page HE thread that ran on for months.
THAT would have been big info.
It’s my understanding that the Railers have exclusive use of the DCU for hockey. NP said there are plenty if dates..I haven't read anywhere about an exclusive use of the DCU....didn't HC play there last season? and the NCAA's were there...
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 19, 2018 19:42:58 GMT -5
I think the scheduling issue with respect to DCU centers on availability for weekend games, and availability for HE playoffs. The Railers January 2019 schedule has three Saturday games, one Friday game and one Sunday game. In March, four Sunday games, three Saturday games, one Friday game. Add to that the dates that DCU wants to hold open for concerts. From looking at the financial report for the DCU, the city makes its money off the concessions and ticket surcharges, not so much from rental of the space. .
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Post by spenser on Nov 19, 2018 20:05:30 GMT -5
It’s my understanding that the Railers have exclusive use of the DCU for hockey. NP said there are plenty if dates..I haven't read anywhere about an exclusive use of the DCU....didn't HC play there last season? and the NCAA's were there... The NCAA’s regionals have been in Worcester most years for a fairly long time. I’m betting they were grandfathered in. We last played there the year before the Railers came into existence. Played Princeton one year and Providence the next. I have it on very good, internal authority that what I said is corrrct.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 19, 2018 20:06:13 GMT -5
Ra*ilers currently have 1st right of refusal on dates only, and this is not for perpetuity. They do not have "exclusive use" of the Centrum for hockey.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2018 5:36:00 GMT -5
CTP, that is good to hear. Now improved play from our team could make this whole issue a lot more important.
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Post by matunuck on Nov 20, 2018 7:22:28 GMT -5
HC and the Railers have talked about the DCU and from what I understand this issue is no longer an impediment to HE. We shall see.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 20, 2018 8:48:30 GMT -5
Was it not stated that one reason UConn is building an on-campus arena is so the university can control the dates? _____________________________ In fiscal 2017, the DCU Center had operating revenue of $6.6 million. (That includes the convention center and the arena.) Ticket surcharges (service fees) and food and beverage sales amounted to about half the operating revenue. Rental of space was less than a third of the operating revenue total.
From public comments on the DCU Center, the food and beverage prices are characterized as being very high, approaching being exorbitantly high. Several years ago, gross revenue from food and beverage sales was $4 million; net income from these sales was $1.7 million. .(265,000 attendees each spending $15 on concessions would generate $4 million in gross revenue.)
The naming rights deal, good until 2025, generates another $460,000 in annual income. From the auditor's report, the DCU cash cow is concerts by big name performers.
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Post by gks on Nov 20, 2018 9:34:45 GMT -5
It's going to happen. Worcester gave Railers an unofficial exclusivity their first season because of the investment the owner made in the city. They both can co-exist though I do believe an on campus rink is the best solution.
It just makes too much sense for HC and HE.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 20, 2018 10:25:28 GMT -5
It's going to happen. Worcester gave Railers an unofficial exclusivity their first season because of the investment the owner made in the city. They both can co-exist though I do believe an on campus rink is the best solution. It just makes too much sense for HC and HE. I'm not sure what the is the state of that league right now. By that I mean UMass (A), Providence and NU have good records (10-1 and the other two with 7-3-1). No one else has a winning record. Flagship schools like BC and UNH are pretty down. Just asking from a neutral standpoint: why would you add another team to the mix when the player pool doesn't seem to be expanding?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2018 10:35:10 GMT -5
To have a new doormat to step on? That could be a plus if some current teams are "down" right now.
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Post by gks on Nov 20, 2018 10:36:51 GMT -5
Add a team for scheduling. I believe HE is at 11 now with ND leaving for Big 10. Even numbers make it easier.
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 20, 2018 11:34:53 GMT -5
the league is not in a great place old vision old leadership flagships schools down a bit.
It will come back and we need to be in.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 21, 2018 0:45:14 GMT -5
Ra*ilers currently have 1st right of refusal on dates only, and this is not for perpetuity. They do not have "exclusive use" of the Centrum for hockey. Becker and Nichols played at the DCU last week before a Railers game so it isn't exclusive.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 21, 2018 0:55:15 GMT -5
It's going to happen. Worcester gave Railers an unofficial exclusivity their first season because of the investment the owner made in the city. They both can co-exist though I do believe an on campus rink is the best solution. It just makes too much sense for HC and HE. I'm not sure what the is the state of that league right now. By that I mean UMass (A), Providence and NU have good records (10-1 and the other two with 7-3-1). No one else has a winning record. Flagship schools like BC and UNH are pretty down. Just asking from a neutral standpoint: why would you add another team to the mix when the player pool doesn't seem to be expanding? Arizona State is ranked this week 16th in the country with a goalie from North Andover and Cushing. The flagship schools right now in Hockey East have been Providence, BU, Lowell, and Northeastern over the last five seasons. BC has dropped off the last few years as they haven't won a non conference game since November of 2016 even though they won the regular season in Hockey East the last two years. UNH hasn't been to the NCAA tourney since 2013 while not making a frozen four since I was in school up there in 2003. Tough to say they are a flagship school. The reason the normal schools are struggling is the coaches are getting "old" and the younger coaches are getting better recruits as seen with Leaman at Providence and Carvel at UMass. Bazin at Lowell has been able to recruit "older" freshmen who are under recruited. This is a problem that BC is having with 18 year old freshman facing 20-21 year old freshmen in some areas of the conference who are bigger and stronger.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 21, 2018 8:56:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the is the state of that league right now. By that I mean UMass (A), Providence and NU have good records (10-1 and the other two with 7-3-1). No one else has a winning record. Flagship schools like BC and UNH are pretty down. Just asking from a neutral standpoint: why would you add another team to the mix when the player pool doesn't seem to be expanding? Arizona State is ranked this week 16th in the country with a goalie from North Andover and Cushing. The flagship schools right now in Hockey East have been Providence, BU, Lowell, and Northeastern over the last five seasons. BC has dropped off the last few years as they haven't won a non conference game since November of 2016 even though they won the regular season in Hockey East the last two years. UNH hasn't been to the NCAA tourney since 2013 while not making a frozen four since I was in school up there in 2003. Tough to say they are a flagship school. The reason the normal schools are struggling is the coaches are getting "old" and the younger coaches are getting better recruits as seen with Leaman at Providence and Carvel at UMass. Bazin at Lowell has been able to recruit "older" freshmen who are under recruited. This is a problem that BC is having with 18 year old freshman facing 20-21 year old freshmen in some areas of the conference who are bigger and stronger. I went looking at whether the rise of Big Ten hockey might have something to do with it. The Big Ten has seven teams now, and is apparently looking for an eighth. In a 2017 article, the talked-about candidates for the next school to join were Univ of Illinois and Pitt. Pitt was also described as a HE candidate. A significant advantage to joining the Big Ten is the Big Ten network, which has 60 million subscribers and, in 2017, an average monthly subscription fee of 0.48. The Big Ten needs content, and ice hockey provides it. I assume affiliated schools like Hopkins or Pitt prospectively would get a slice of the Big Ten network revenue for appearances in broadcasted contests.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2018 12:51:03 GMT -5
Arizona State is ranked this week 16th in the country with a goalie from North Andover and Cushing. The flagship schools right now in Hockey East have been Providence, BU, Lowell, and Northeastern over the last five seasons. BC has dropped off the last few years as they haven't won a non conference game since November of 2016 even though they won the regular season in Hockey East the last two years. UNH hasn't been to the NCAA tourney since 2013 while not making a frozen four since I was in school up there in 2003. Tough to say they are a flagship school. The reason the normal schools are struggling is the coaches are getting "old" and the younger coaches are getting better recruits as seen with Leaman at Providence and Carvel at UMass. Bazin at Lowell has been able to recruit "older" freshmen who are under recruited. This is a problem that BC is having with 18 year old freshman facing 20-21 year old freshmen in some areas of the conference who are bigger and stronger. I went looking at whether the rise of Big Ten hockey might have something to do with it. The Big Ten has seven teams now, and is apparently looking for an eighth. In a 2017 article, the talked-about candidates for the next school to join were Univ of Illinois and Pitt. Pitt was also described as a HE candidate. A significant advantage to joining the Big Ten is the Big Ten network, which has 60 million subscribers and, in 2017, an average monthly subscription fee of 0.48. The Big Ten needs content, and ice hockey provides it. I assume affiliated schools like Hopkins or Pitt prospectively would get a slice of the Big Ten network revenue for appearances in broadcasted contests. My UNH hockey fanatic friend says right now college hockey is western-oriented, the reshuffling of the conferences creating the Big 10 Hockey League may be why.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 21, 2018 13:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 21, 2018 19:44:56 GMT -5
I went looking at whether the rise of Big Ten hockey might have something to do with it. The Big Ten has seven teams now, and is apparently looking for an eighth. In a 2017 article, the talked-about candidates for the next school to join were Univ of Illinois and Pitt. Pitt was also described as a HE candidate. A significant advantage to joining the Big Ten is the Big Ten network, which has 60 million subscribers and, in 2017, an average monthly subscription fee of 0.48. The Big Ten needs content, and ice hockey provides it. I assume affiliated schools like Hopkins or Pitt prospectively would get a slice of the Big Ten network revenue for appearances in broadcasted contests. My UNH hockey fanatic friend says right now college hockey is western-oriented, the reshuffling of the conferences creating the Big 10 Hockey League may be why. The NCHC is the king of college hockey right now...look at all the national champions over the last five years.
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