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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 2, 2019 8:05:42 GMT -5
Has more to do than just having a good HC club to draw well. Has to do with drawing fans of other HE schools, who tend to travel decent to away venues for 2 game weekend sets, rather than the fans of ECHL teams from depressed rust belt cities who aren't coming to Worc under any circumstance. Very few college hockey fans travel to away games. I would put it at 20 or less (parents not included). Basically Maine, UNH, and Vermont are the only ones that bring that many. BU, BC (who hasn’t made the tourney the last two years) bring in the local crowds who see the big name but don’t recognize the teams haven’t been good lately. You missed a zero as I've seen a couple hundred plus Maine fans at the Mullins Ctr. for 2 game sets in person.
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Post by nhteamer on Jul 2, 2019 11:59:50 GMT -5
fewer
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Post by matunuck on Jul 2, 2019 13:58:25 GMT -5
Anyone know how many times that flood zone has flooded?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 2, 2019 21:04:32 GMT -5
The hurricane of 1938?
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Post by Tom on Jul 3, 2019 13:50:13 GMT -5
Anyone know how many times that flood zone has flooded? If you're referring to that underground section of Blackstone downtown, I can only remember one time in the late 80's that it flooded to the point of affecting the Centrum. Destroyed the AC system
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 3, 2019 18:26:22 GMT -5
The section of Southbridge St. between HC and downtown near the "Port of Worcester" Train/Truck freight terminal floods in heavy rain as well as a low lying section of Cambridge St. underneath a bridge about 1/3 mile from Freshman Field.
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Post by beachbound on Jul 3, 2019 21:28:56 GMT -5
Our new goalie.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 7, 2019 8:22:52 GMT -5
Go to this page msc.fema.gov/portal/search?AddressQuery=47108%20&%2047%20N%20CHERRY%20ST%20Hammond,%20LA#searchresultsanchor Enter McKeon Road Worcester MA as the address That page will then provide an image link that allows you to download a 36 meg image file showing the flood zones on/near HC-owned property. That page should also have a magnified image of the SE corner of the football stadium. The 36 meg downloaded image shows that the baseball field, the football stadium, and Freshman Field all flood completely, and have. Floodwaters reach under part of the south stands at Fitton. HC property elevation is such that there is little difference in the extent of the flooding from a one percent chance in a year storm and a storm that occurs with greater frequency.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 7, 2019 9:39:23 GMT -5
Dean - can the discussion of floods and such be moved to a appropriate place rather than in a hockey thread? Thanks in advance.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 7, 2019 10:37:27 GMT -5
The ice seldom causes flooding...
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 7, 2019 11:20:35 GMT -5
Only flooding caused by frozen pipes in the hockey thread.🙂
Actually, there is a connection between hockey and the flood zone at least in my imagination, because I can imagine a hockey arena with a large enough seating capacity to meet HE requirements on the old Howard Johnson lot if the lot and HC owned land behind it is big enough. I remember the Hotel being demolished early in it's lifespan in part due to mold (?) and wonder if that had anything to do with flooding?
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Post by Chu Chu on Jul 7, 2019 18:53:29 GMT -5
Matt Radomsky looks like a great get! Go cross!
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Post by gks on Jul 7, 2019 19:01:07 GMT -5
Only flooding caused by frozen pipes in the hockey thread.🙂 Actually, there is a connection between hockey and the flood zone at least in my imagination, because I can imagine a hockey arena with a large enough seating capacity to meet HE requirements on the old Howard Johnson lot if the lot and HC owned land behind it is big enough. I remember the Hotel being demolished early in it's lifespan in part due to mold (?) and wonder if that had anything to do with flooding? Perfect spot for a rink, or anything for that matter. It's non-use by HC is baffling in my opinion.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 7, 2019 19:19:58 GMT -5
As far as HE goes, simply don't see the benefits of them going there. Not like there is a tv market to capture, as tv is not an issue in that league. Don't recall HE members complaining about Notre Dame being a member, and I'm sure getting to South Bend was as, if not more, difficult than getting to Phoenix. South Bend is over 100 miles from O'Hare. They DO have a commercial airport IN South Bend. Believe it or not, they actually (at least as of 2017) have flights there from O’Hare which must be one of the shortest domestic routes in the US. I know this because I was connecting in Chicago en route home from a bachelor party and the plane I was waiting for at the gate was arriving from there.
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Post by spenser on Jul 22, 2019 16:41:42 GMT -5
The current commissioner of Hockey East is retiring after over 30 years. For whatever that fact may or may not be worth.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 22, 2019 19:30:49 GMT -5
Tip of the hat to him as far as I can see. The AHA took all comers including small schools like AIC, Bentley, etc. and those schools rewarded the faith placed in them by playing competitive hockey.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 22, 2019 20:11:06 GMT -5
Don't recall HE members complaining about Notre Dame being a member, and I'm sure getting to South Bend was as, if not more, difficult than getting to Phoenix. South Bend is over 100 miles from O'Hare. They DO have a commercial airport IN South Bend. Believe it or not, they actually (at least as of 2017) have flights there from O’Hare which must be one of the shortest domestic routes in the US. I know this because I was connecting in Chicago en route home from a bachelor party and the plane I was waiting for at the gate was arriving from there. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bend_International_AirportAppears that South Bend Airport also have flights back to the east.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 22, 2019 20:14:58 GMT -5
They DO have a commercial airport IN South Bend. Believe it or not, they actually (at least as of 2017) have flights there from O’Hare which must be one of the shortest domestic routes in the US. I know this because I was connecting in Chicago en route home from a bachelor party and the plane I was waiting for at the gate was arriving from there. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bend_International_AirportAppears that South Bend Airport also have flights back to the east. Per the wiki link you just posted looks like you can go west too, including Phoenix. Might as well pencil Arizona State into BiG hockey right now.
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woorat
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Post by woorat on Jul 23, 2019 9:02:11 GMT -5
This is my first and probably last post on Crossports. I really enjoy all the comments made by all, some accurate, some way out in left field. With Joe retiring as HE Commish, HC looses a big proponent for out admission. Our Administration better pull out all the stops to get in. The landscape is changing both from a Conference leadership standpoint as well as the league schools leadership (new Administrators). I know Joe personally and his retirement can do nothing but hurt our chances. HE would love to add a 12th team but it has to be the RIGHT team. 11 teams work, but it does create an unbalanced schedule. (See Atlantic Hockey).
The HC Administration needs to put a "Full court press" on HE. One of our big problems is our facility. While the DCU would work short term, the teams prefer to play on campus facility. UConn got in using the Hartford Civic Center, but if you recall stated they would make their facility acceptable. How many years ago was that? My point here is to get approval from the Powers That Be to fundraise to either build a new facility or make ours acceptable. Use some of that CAF money to do an analysis and/or rendering to show the league administrators: "This is what our facility will look like and will will start fundraising the minute we are accepted into the league". It may take 10 years, but who cares. The other needs can be met by our CAF (recruiting, salaries, etc.). Do not be fooled by the fact that the women are in, so the men will get in. That is apples and oranges.
Believe me when I tell you I know what I am talking about. I happen to be the person who pushed for and was actively involved with making HC Div 1 in hockey. I hired Paul Pearl and was extremely upset that Pine did not do more to keep him. He actually alienated him. It killed Pearl to leave, but he did the right thing. He was "by far" HC's best coach.l
By now, I have probably given away my identity and I do not really care. I stood by and watch Dick Regan completely botch the ECAC presentation. It brought tears to my eyes. If any current HC Administrators see this, I say:
"Get this thing done or move on"!! As Andy Dufrane would say "Get on living or get on dying"!!
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 23, 2019 9:12:24 GMT -5
Welcome back for a very brief appearance. Nice to know you still follow HC and check out CROSSPORTS. Be well and perhaps we may hear fro you again. .
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Post by nhteamer on Jul 23, 2019 10:13:39 GMT -5
This is my first and probably last post on Crossports. I really enjoy all the comments made by all, some accurate, some way out in left field. With Joe retiring as HE Commish, HC looses a big proponent for out admission. Our Administration better pull out all the stops to get in. The landscape is changing both from a Conference leadership standpoint as well as the league schools leadership (new Administrators). I know Joe personally and his retirement can do nothing but hurt our chances. HE would love to add a 12th team but it has to be the RIGHT team. 11 teams work, but it does create an unbalanced schedule. (See Atlantic Hockey). The HC Administration needs to put a "Full court press" on HE. One of our big problems is our facility. While the DCU would work short term, the teams prefer to play on campus facility. UConn got in using the Hartford Civic Center, but if you recall stated they would make their facility acceptable. How many years ago was that? My point here is to get approval from the Powers That Be to fundraise to either build a new facility or make ours acceptable. Use some of that CAF money to do an analysis and/or rendering to show the league administrators: "This is what our facility will look like and will will start fundraising the minute we are accepted into the league". It may take 10 years, but who cares. The other needs can be met by our CAF (recruiting, salaries, etc.). Do not be fooled by the fact that the women are in, so the men will get in. That is apples and oranges. Believe me when I tell you I know what I am talking about. I happen to be the person who pushed for and was actively involved with making HC Div 1 in hockey. I hired Paul Pearl and was extremely upset that Pine did not do more to keep him. He actually alienated him. It killed Pearl to leave, but he did the right thing. He was "by far" HC's best coach.l By now, I have probably given away my identity and I do not really care. I stood by and watch Dick Regan completely botch the ECAC presentation. It brought tears to my eyes. If any current HC Administrators see this, I say: "Get this thing done or move on"!! As Andy Dufrane would say "Get on living or get on dying"!! GREAT POST 'rat Never thought that HC could a SECOND time ball drop when it came to an opportunity to get into a league that would have been perfect The ECACHL disaster was a DISGRACE Paul was the best coach, and the most devoted, at HC; no question.. So agree on all your points. Don't leave! This Board is full of interesting and devoted posters; yet, we need more truth tellers and fewer sychophants!
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 23, 2019 15:44:00 GMT -5
Tip of the hat to him as far as I can see. The AHA took all comers including small schools like AIC, Bentley, etc. and those schools rewarded the faith placed in them by playing competitive hockey. Apology to all. I misread and thought it was the AHA commissioner who is retiring. After reading the later posts I will tip my hat to the HE commissioner. I do like how the AHA is available for smaller schools wanting to play D-1 hockey but also hope HC can earn admission to either HE or ECAC. Students only play for four years so a good recruiter and coach can turn a program around in a few years no matter what league it is in.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 23, 2019 15:56:16 GMT -5
This is my first and probably last post on Crossports. I really enjoy all the comments made by all, some accurate, some way out in left field. With Joe retiring as HE Commish, HC looses a big proponent for out admission. Our Administration better pull out all the stops to get in. The landscape is changing both from a Conference leadership standpoint as well as the league schools leadership (new Administrators). I know Joe personally and his retirement can do nothing but hurt our chances. HE would love to add a 12th team but it has to be the RIGHT team. 11 teams work, but it does create an unbalanced schedule. (See Atlantic Hockey). The HC Administration needs to put a "Full court press" on HE. One of our big problems is our facility. While the DCU would work short term, the teams prefer to play on campus facility. UConn got in using the Hartford Civic Center, but if you recall stated they would make their facility acceptable. How many years ago was that? My point here is to get approval from the Powers That Be to fundraise to either build a new facility or make ours acceptable. Use some of that CAF money to do an analysis and/or rendering to show the league administrators: "This is what our facility will look like and will will start fundraising the minute we are accepted into the league". It may take 10 years, but who cares. The other needs can be met by our CAF (recruiting, salaries, etc.). Do not be fooled by the fact that the women are in, so the men will get in. That is apples and oranges. Believe me when I tell you I know what I am talking about. I happen to be the person who pushed for and was actively involved with making HC Div 1 in hockey. I hired Paul Pearl and was extremely upset that Pine did not do more to keep him. He actually alienated him. It killed Pearl to leave, but he did the right thing. He was "by far" HC's best coach.l By now, I have probably given away my identity and I do not really care. I stood by and watch Dick Regan completely botch the ECAC presentation. It brought tears to my eyes. If any current HC Administrators see this, I say: "Get this thing done or move on"!! As Andy Dufrane would say "Get on living or get on dying"!! Greetings from left field woorat. Thanks for your contribution to that magical run in the NCAA tournament. I have mentioned the Howard Johnson Lot as a potential spot for a new arena if it is big enough. Any thoughts on that? Thanks.
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woorat
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Post by woorat on Jul 24, 2019 7:22:55 GMT -5
The HoJos lot probably does not have a large enough footprint to put up a facility. Even if it was, parking would be a big problem. I would think that if HC was interested in building a facility, it would be in front of the current rink. Having said that, it would probably be necessary to build a parking garage in Hogan 2-3 to handle the parking. I am not sure if the new lot outside of Luth could handle the traffic. You could connect the new facility to the existing one. I would also say if they were ever to do something like this, make it multi-purpose for both hockey and basketball. That way HC can also get the Hoops alum involved in fundraising. Now you have 2 rinks and 2 bball facilities (actually 3 with practice). Maybe "Pie in the sky" but it would certainly put HC in the forefront for Athletic Facilities for certainly NE and across the country. It could also open up a nice revenue stream for rentals, graduation, etc. This may not be financial possible, but you have to think big. Look what Quinnipiac did. None of us thought, when they applied to ECAC, that they would do what they say. But they built that beautiful facility for $75M with a $100M endowment!! Not bad. But I would first investigate to see if the current rink could be expanded to meet league specs. HE requires 4,000 seats of which 20% need to be chair backs. There are a list of several other requiements, but I just do not remember what the are. I did have a document years ago that spelled everything out. Not sure if it have changed.
Many do not know that when the Hart Center was originally designed, the rink was going to be a pool. One of the goalies, Patrick Butler '76,(RIP) started a petition for a rink over a pool and secured 2,300 signatures. This is why there is only stands on one side of the rink as it was already in the planning stages. Another little known fact is that Fr. Brooks was approached by a group wanting to build a rink on Freshman Field before the Hart Center and lease it back to the college for $1 per year, but he turned them down.
As you can see, my hockey interest goes back to the early 70's. I thought back then with the new rink, that we belonged in the old ECAC. Boy.....how things would be different if that happened.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 24, 2019 7:25:38 GMT -5
Glad to see you decided to return. Once again, welcome.
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