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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 1, 2017 9:19:16 GMT -5
This conversation, in general, seems like an exercise in futility.
We have BC on the schedule - That's our local non-conference game.
Why are we talking about Assumption?
Any team can beat any team on any given Saturday given the proper circumstances.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 1, 2017 9:31:52 GMT -5
And this Holy Cross season proves this without a doubt. Destroy the #9 team and then lose to many lesser teams.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 1, 2017 10:13:19 GMT -5
Putting this thread to proper use, are there any OOC opponents FCS/FBS that we aren't playing through 2021 (future schedules booked through then presumably) that people would like HC to play? Keeping it reasonable of course
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Post by hcpride on Nov 1, 2017 10:39:22 GMT -5
Putting this thread to proper use, are there any OOC opponents FCS/FBS that we aren't playing through 2021 (future schedules booked through then presumably) that people would like HC to play? Keeping it reasonable of course I'd rather we play UMass (and not Syracuse or BC) if I had to chose one FBS to play on a regular basis.
(Agree that unlike basketball, we are not going to see HC v Assumption in football)
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Post by Tom on Nov 1, 2017 10:41:16 GMT -5
Putting this thread to proper use, are there any OOC opponents FCS/FBS that we aren't playing through 2021 (future schedules booked through then presumably) that people would like HC to play? Keeping it reasonable of course Our future FBS games are BC/Navy/BC/UConn. I'd like to see Army get in the mix. That is a great place to see a game. I imagine Navy is a similar game day experience, but a much longer trip
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Post by Tom on Nov 1, 2017 10:47:36 GMT -5
Putting this thread to proper use, are there any OOC opponents FCS/FBS that we aren't playing through 2021 (future schedules booked through then presumably) that people would like HC to play? Keeping it reasonable of course
(Agree that unlike basketball, we are not going to see HC v Assumption in football)
Actually, I don't think HC has played Assumption in a real basketball game in about 25 years. Exhibitions have been going on for a few years going back to when there was a pair of brothers, one at each school
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Post by breezy on Nov 1, 2017 11:01:47 GMT -5
I thought I heard / saw somewhere that a game with Army in 2023 was in the works.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 1, 2017 11:11:27 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Nov 1, 2017 11:18:17 GMT -5
Putting this thread to proper use, are there any OOC opponents FCS/FBS that we aren't playing through 2021 (future schedules booked through then presumably) that people would like HC to play? Keeping it reasonable of course Furman and Wofford
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Post by hcpride on Nov 1, 2017 11:36:40 GMT -5
Army seems to be playing a geographically far-flung schedule lately - with an eye to recruiting widely in target rich environments. Including a couple of trips out West to play the University of North Texas (part of a 4-game series with the Mean Green) and other western and southern foes. Of course they'll play a Northeast FCS now and again going forward (I'm familiar with their future schedules) but I suspect the opportunities will be somewhat limited.
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 1, 2017 11:44:50 GMT -5
Army and Navy 1 and 1a
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Post by lou on Nov 1, 2017 12:08:23 GMT -5
I thought I heard / saw somewhere that a game with Army in 2023 was in the works. Nate Pine said it, booked for 2023
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 1, 2017 12:13:59 GMT -5
Navy's Gameday atmosphere really is awesome -- Huuuuge improvements from where it was even 10-15 years ago.
Here are my thoughts on best targets for OOC FBS games.
Wake Forest
Duke
Rice
Temple
Army
Air Force
Northwestern
Syracuse
Tulane
Buffalo
Old Dominion
Vanderbilt
If we're going to be playing $ games we may as well travel to different areas of the country to help with recruiting.
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Post by gks on Nov 1, 2017 12:32:41 GMT -5
UMass, Maine, William and Mary, Richmond, Eastern Washington, Hawaii
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 1, 2017 12:40:15 GMT -5
Notre Dame
Penn State
Michigan
LSU
Ole Miss
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Post by ncaam on Nov 1, 2017 12:49:31 GMT -5
Assumption Bryant Rhody Army BC only if $$$ is critical
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Post by hcpride on Nov 1, 2017 14:58:38 GMT -5
I'd rather we play UMass (and not Syracuse or BC) if I had to chose one FBS to play on a regular basis.
(Agree that unlike basketball, we are not going to see HC v Assumption in football)
Actually, I don't think HC has played Assumption in a real basketball game in about 25 years. Exhibitions have been going on for a few years going back to when there was a pair of brothers, one at each school I know. We played them every year when I was there (80's) and now we play an 'Exhibition' game each year against them. We're not going to see football with them.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 1, 2017 15:17:36 GMT -5
Asking this for general information purposes only. NOT in terms of interest in scheduling any D2 university.
Last I read, D2 football in New England was non-scholarship/need based, like the PL was up to a few years ago. Is that still true? Do not recall a D2 team from nearby since New Haven (which, at the time, did have scholarships and actually dropped football for several years) doing well in the playoffs...the closest D2 powers nationally seem to be some of the Pennsylvania state universities.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 1, 2017 15:33:33 GMT -5
Putting this thread to proper use, are there any OOC opponents FCS/FBS that we aren't playing through 2021 (future schedules booked through then presumably) that people would like HC to play? Keeping it reasonable of course Furman and Wofford Canisius and Niagara.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 1, 2017 15:51:02 GMT -5
USouCar
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 1, 2017 18:10:27 GMT -5
George Mason
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 5, 2017 15:05:22 GMT -5
In 2010 Fordham lost to Assumption 24-30 and the very next week Fordham lost to Holy Cross 31-36. Obviously, an Assumption- Holy Cross game would have been competitive that year. (FWIW Fordham was 5-6, HC was 6-5, and Assumption was 6-5 in 2010).
This particular year? Fordham and Holy Cross have awful records and Assumption is undefeated - some very one-sided - and nationally ranked (D II). While there are many variables and changes from 2010, it is within the realm of possibility that Assumption v HC would be competitive. I don't think that suggestion should trigger despair in my fellow HC faithful. It is what it is. This year. Things change.
I'm not sure about Fordham, but in 2010, Assumption had scholarships and HC did not. That's a big change. There might be a rule not allowing a scholarship D-! program to play a D-II program. Until a couple of years ago there was a rule that no Patriot League hoops team could play a D-II school HC is upgrading their schedule. Now with scholarships they are adding a FBS game every year. Although a couple of people might like the idea of a cross town game, it's a pipe dream. I have no recollection of HC ever playing a D-II football team and it's a pretty safe bet, that as long as HC is a scholarship football program, they will not play any D-II opponents There is no rule preventing scholarship FCS teams from playing D-II teams but there would be no reason for us to schedule one unless we have another scheduled opponent pull the rug out from under us at the last minute. This actually happened to Colgate last year but they opted to play an 10-game schedule rather than call up Lock Haven or Bloomsburg. Probably been 30+ years since we played a D-II in football.
In fact, it's pretty common for schools around the FCS landscape nationally to play D-II or NAIA teams due to geography. When schools like Northern Arizona and Weber State are looking to shore up a schedule, it is often they're only option because there are zero non-conference FCS teams in the proximity. Even FCS power Delaware played West Chester University annually up until a few years ago. Wasn't really a rivalry any more due to lack of competitive games but was billed as such.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 5, 2017 15:41:15 GMT -5
I think the YC schools were D2 into the late 70s
I found a score from the 1977 playoffs where Umass lost to Lehigh.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2017 16:05:01 GMT -5
I think the YC schools were D2 into the late 70s I found a score from the 1977 playoffs where Umass lost to Lehigh. That was the last year they (Yank Con) were D2...went 1-AA in 1978. UMass lost in the 1-AA finals in 78 I believe. To the best of my knowledge, we haven't played a D2 or D3 school in football (as they exist today) in the post WW2 era. As noted, we're fortunate in the sense that there are a plethora of FCS teams in the Northeast that we don't have to scramble to fill in our schedule with a D2 school.
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