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Fordham
Nov 4, 2017 19:42:50 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Nov 4, 2017 19:42:50 GMT -5
Great Crusader football win today and will be cashing the Breeders Cuo late Pick Four in about 5 minutes....., Don’t keep us in suspense, KY. Did you cash in or not?
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Post by breezy on Nov 4, 2017 19:51:33 GMT -5
HC still seems out of sync... Running plays not going anywhere. This either [1] shows how little I know, or [2] was the catalyst that brought the run game to life. I know which one I'll pick -- suspect many others will choose the other option. It feels good to be able to joke about it.
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Fordham
Nov 4, 2017 20:19:10 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 4, 2017 20:19:10 GMT -5
Great Crusader football win today and will be cashing the Breeders Cuo late Pick Four in about 5 minutes....., Don’t keep us in suspense, KY. Did you cash in or not? Yes--we had all runners covered except for two long shots we hedged at very long odds in the win pool. Gun Runner, the second choice in the win pool, won and paid $5,028.60 in the Pick Four.
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Fordham
Nov 4, 2017 20:41:26 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Nov 4, 2017 20:41:26 GMT -5
Congrats Flying to the Sacred Heart game ?
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Post by HC92 on Nov 4, 2017 21:10:22 GMT -5
I can see it now. The KY Center in downtown Worcester to host Hockey East and Big East Basketball. We can model it after the Yum Center in Louisville.
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Fordham
Nov 4, 2017 21:12:05 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 4, 2017 21:12:05 GMT -5
Too funny!!
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Fordham
Nov 4, 2017 22:34:18 GMT -5
Post by HCFC45 on Nov 4, 2017 22:34:18 GMT -5
HC still seems out of sync... Running plays not going anywhere. This either [1] shows how little I know, or [2] was the catalyst that brought the run game to life. I know which one I'll pick -- suspect many others will choose the other option. It feels good to be able to joke about it. Was thinking the same thing about your post and many others as I went through them all after the game was over! !
To be honest I was really thinking about #1 in every case! !
Even though I picked Fordham to win, I'm very happy that the CRUSADERS won! I cannot figure this team out! What happened to them after UCONN and UNH??
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2017 0:49:11 GMT -5
This either [1] shows how little I know, or [2] was the catalyst that brought the run game to life. I know which one I'll pick -- suspect many others will choose the other option. It feels good to be able to joke about it. Was thinking the same thing about your post and many others as I went through them all after the game was over! !
To be honest I was really thinking about #1 in every case! !
Even though I picked Fordham to win, I'm very happy that the CRUSADERS won! I cannot figure this team out! What happened to them after UCONN and UNH??
We had a very dysfunctional coaching staff....been our problem for awhile...it's ovah thankfully.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2017 6:18:30 GMT -5
We had a very dysfunctional coaching staff....been our problem for awhile...it's ovah thankfully. I can't either. Was it really as simple as addition by subtraction? The Lehigh game will tell us a lot about whether our problems may really have taken a turn toward solution for now and for the future.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2017 7:13:07 GMT -5
Maybe. Maybe not.
The difference, to me, is something that I have been harping on all season: Pujals yesterday pro-actively was running rather than only running when the pocket collapsed. What makes him an excellent (great?) QB are his legs, not just his arm. Defenses need to play against and always be wary that he might run which opens up our slashing runners (see pitchout to Cozier for big game as an example) and our receivers. Why was he not doing this all year? Rock has been offensive coordinator all year. TG was released and not on the sidelines for the Colgate game.
For whatever reason, our offense has been playing with one-hand (two legs?) behind its back until yesterday.
With an offense that can move the ball and score, the defense can play more aggressively. They've been pretty solid all year, sometimes great, when the DBs are healthy.
Whatever the real reasons are, yesterday was what many of us expected the whole season. Had we played like yesterday, Lafayette and Dartmouth, at least, would have been wins.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2017 7:40:44 GMT -5
The losses that we were embarrassed in were not due primarily to PP’s not being a running threat.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2017 7:55:24 GMT -5
The losses that we were embarrassed in were not due primarily to PP’s not being a running threat. The way the Cross was playing, I have to agree that Colgate and Yale were not going to be wins. However, PP's ability to run does change the game a good deal and might have brought a win out of either Lafayette or Dartmouth. Yesterday, he ran when he saw the opportunity (not, as you correctly point out, only when the pocket collapsed). I think that option will remain, but I am sure Lehigh will try to have something ready to stop it. Lehigh had 5 interceptions last year against HC and the passing of PP next week could be the difference.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 10:18:29 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2017 10:18:29 GMT -5
With all due respect, which losses are the ones you consider to be the "embarrassing" ones? The blowouts or the ones we should/could have won if we played better and made fewer mistakes? Which is more embarrassing? And, for the blowouts (Colgate, for example), do you think, just maybe, that the losses would have been at least a little closer had Pujals been a running threat? And the close games, we could have won?
While true we blew losses to Dartmouth and Lafayette most blatantly due to misses FGs. PATs and going for a 4th down deep in our own territory and going for a 2 point conversion, when you lose games and certain plays stand out, you don't lose because of one play. What if the offense was more effective, the point I am trying to make when Pujals is a running threat, and we ran up more offensive time of possession, more yards and scored more? And those missed FGs, were instead TDs and no need to go to OT or going for 2 and Pujals ran not thrown back to the receiver in the opposite direction.
Look, I fully understand that my point of view is hypothetical, just like mine (and KY's?) harping that we need a power running back, which we have not had in over a decade.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 10:40:53 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2017 10:40:53 GMT -5
sader1970, I think the success of the running game yesterday give support to your call for a power running back.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 10:53:24 GMT -5
Post by spenser on Nov 5, 2017 10:53:24 GMT -5
The losses that we were embarrassed in were not due primarily to PP’s not being a running threat. The way the Cross was playing, I have to agree that Colgate and Yale were not going to be wins. However, PP's ability to run does change the game a good deal and might have brought a win out of either Lafayette or Dartmouth. Yesterday, he ran when he saw the opportunity (not, as you correctly point out, only when the pocket collapsed). I think that option will remain, but I am sure Lehigh will try to have something ready to stop it. Lehigh had 5 interceptions last year against HC and the passing of PP next week could be the difference. Lafayette was beyond embarrassing. Dartmouth not so much. Yale, UCONN, Monmouth and Colgate had superior talent. And I saw except Dartmouth.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 5, 2017 11:20:28 GMT -5
Count me among those who believe, and who have so opined on this board, that HC's offense is much, much more productive when PP is called on to run the ball. He gets important yardage, yes, but I think it's also a factor that when he is a threat to run it may have an effect on the opposing defense.
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 5, 2017 11:20:58 GMT -5
I'll preface by saying I played under Gilmore and have a lot of respect for him and greatly attribute the initial turn around of our program to him.
When a team is winning big games, then getting blown out by teams that we should be playing close, then losing by 1 or 2 points multiple times - What you see is inconsistency and inability to execute in critical situations.
Inconsistency and inability to execute when you have the necessary talent to do so comes back to coaching and overall program morale.
I really hope this thread doesn't devolve back into a Gilmore conversation -- Anyone who has been a part of or followed this program over the last 15 years realizes that it was time to make a change and that change has been made.
We could have and should have played every team on our schedule closely this year with the talent that we have on our roster.
I'm looking forward to seeing who we'll have coming in to take the reigns of the program - I'm hoping a fresh start will also shake things up with regard to overall administration attitude towards the program as well.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 11:28:35 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Nov 5, 2017 11:28:35 GMT -5
4 or 5 wins is close to what most fans guessed for the year. Of course a couple of the losses were particularly ugly. And the mid-season firing highly unusual. Having browsed Lehigh and Fordham's forum I'd say we're in a three way tie for the most disappointing season in this very weak Patriot League season. But (unlike Fordham and Lehigh) we may have stopped the bleeding and may be poised for a rebuilding season and good football future provided we can outrecruit the rest of the PL.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 11:57:09 GMT -5
Post by lou on Nov 5, 2017 11:57:09 GMT -5
I'll preface by saying I played under Gilmore We could have and should have played every team on our schedule closely this year with the talent that we have on our roster. We were clearly over matched vs Colgate, and didn't see it but Yale sounds like the same
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 12:01:00 GMT -5
Post by 6sader7 on Nov 5, 2017 12:01:00 GMT -5
I'll preface by saying I played under Gilmore We could have and should have played every team on our schedule closely this year with the talent that we have on our roster. We were clearly over matched vs Colgate, and didn't see it but Yale sounds like the same I watched the Colgate game - We were outcoached and didn't play close to our potential. "'I'm hoping a fresh start will also shake things up with regard to overall administration attitude towards the program as well." As also discussed multiple times here - Colgate is able to do a much better job recruiting given the fact their administration is willing to take in student-athletes that Holy Cross won't, while still keeping their academic prestige above ours.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 5, 2017 12:02:20 GMT -5
When was the last time a Gilmore-coached HC team rushed for over 350 yards?
My assessment of the last three games:
> Colgate loss came at the hands of a good team at the end of a tumultuous week. The circumstances of that week hindered focus and preparation. (IMO, Yale loss was worse than the Colgate loss.)
> The Georgetown game righted the ship.
> The Fordham game showed the potential of the team that was evident in the first two games.
If my assessment is right, HC should do well against Lehigh.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 12:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2017 12:08:59 GMT -5
Fordham is not a good team. They have 2 league wins, one is over Georgetown, 3 wins overall.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 12:18:50 GMT -5
Post by lou on Nov 5, 2017 12:18:50 GMT -5
We were clearly over matched vs Colgate, and didn't see it but Yale sounds like the same As also discussed multiple times here - Colgate is able to do a much better job recruiting given the fact their administration is willing to take in student-athletes that Holy Cross won't, while still keeping their academic prestige above ours. So which is it, they're a better team (what I said) or our guy was out-coached?
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 12:43:03 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2017 12:43:03 GMT -5
Yeah, let's not let this thread devolve into a Gilmore thread. I loved the guy but he is gone. ["Next coach up"?]
What I would like to ask the posters, Peter ran yesterday . . . . on purpose. With great effect (2nd biggest ground gainer with 82 yards to Gabe's leading 107). Even when he didn't "run" and rolled out and pitched to Cozier for 30 yards, it was his legs, not his arm that hurt the Rams.
My question: why didn't Pujals run in prior games this season? Supposedly, and by eyeball test, he was healthy.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 12:46:41 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2017 12:46:41 GMT -5
Having Edmonds hurt for multiple games certainly had an impact. Their QB is/was good but when he got knocked out of the game, things went downhill in a hurry for them. They probably need the synergy of Anderson and Edmonds for a pass/run threat. They had to have missed that when Edmonds was on the bench.
P.S. Nice we could hold Edmonds to well under 100 yards (63).
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