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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 12:51:03 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2017 12:51:03 GMT -5
Having Edmonds hurt for multiple games certainly had an impact. Their QB is/was good but when he got knocked out of the game, things went downhill in a hurry for them. They probably need the synergy of Anderson and Edmonds for a pass/run threat. They had to have missed that when Edmonds was on the bench. P.S. Nice we could hold Edmonds to well under 100 yards (63). Partly valid for their offense. their defense gives up 37.5 ppg they are not a good team
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 12:52:05 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2017 12:52:05 GMT -5
Colgate was better this year, not 45-7 better by any stretch, but better.
Of the 6 losses: we should have won both the Dartmouth and Lafayette games. The Monmouth and UConn games could probably have gone either way and Colgate and Yale were just superior regardless of team turmoil/chemistry.
If ifs and buts were chocolate and nuts I know, but this team should probably be around 7-3;4-1 right now imo.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 12:56:21 GMT -5
Post by lou on Nov 5, 2017 12:56:21 GMT -5
Having Edmonds hurt for multiple games certainly had an impact. Their QB is/was good but when he got knocked out of the game, things went downhill in a hurry for them. They probably need the synergy of Anderson and Edmonds for a pass/run threat. They had to have missed that when Edmonds was on the bench. P.S. Nice we could hold Edmonds to well under 100 yards (63). They also have Palladino, who saw little action yesterday, but was a force against Lehigh As the very good announcers said yesterday, once the game was out of reach, not much purpose in using Edwards
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2017 13:08:19 GMT -5
As disappointing as our season has been in general, Fordham's has been worse in many ways. Tough way for Chase Edmonds to end his collegiate career.
About the only school in the PL that hasn't had a somewhat disappointing season is probably Colgate and they may be the ones ultimately most disappointed ironically. Many feel they were jobbed by the refs in their loss to Lehigh which may cost them the PL title this year.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 13:11:29 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2017 13:11:29 GMT -5
As disappointing as our season has been in general, Fordham's has been worse in many ways. Tough way for Chase Edmonds to end his collegiate career. About the only school in the PL that hasn't had a somewhat disappointing season is probably Colgate and they may be the ones ultimately most disappointed ironically. Many feel they were jobbed by the refs in their loss to Lehigh which may cost them the PL title this year. If gate was actually a good team, their game vs Lehigh would not have bee close enough to get jobbed, if they really were.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Nov 5, 2017 14:14:46 GMT -5
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 15:45:43 GMT -5
Post by hc6774 on Nov 5, 2017 15:45:43 GMT -5
As disappointing as our season has been in general, Fordham's has been worse in many ways. Tough way for Chase Edmonds to end his collegiate career. About the only school in the PL that hasn't had a somewhat disappointing season is probably Colgate and they may be the ones ultimately most disappointed ironically. Many feel they were jobbed by the refs in their loss to Lehigh which may cost them the PL title this year. If gate was actually a good team, their game vs Lehigh would not have bee close enough to get jobbed, if they really were. It's the Patriot League... it is designed so that no team will be superior/dominant to the others, especially over several seasons...
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Post by hcpride on Nov 5, 2017 16:10:52 GMT -5
Colgate was better this year, not 45-7 better by any stretch, but better. Of the 6 losses: we should have won both the Dartmouth and Lafayette games. The Monmouth and UConn games could probably have gone either way and Colgate and Yale were just superior regardless of team turmoil/chemistry. If ifs and buts were chocolate and nuts I know, but this team should probably be around 7-3;4-1 right now imo. Our losses: Looking back at our OOC, those were pretty good teams as it has turned out. All are now ranked well above us (70th) nationally. 1-4 is about right (strange as it sounds).: UConn was simply better (and showed it the second half by finally using their current QB and shutting us out 20-0) although an awful FBS team.. Nice win v UNH (6-3, 29th Massey) Dartmouth was a pretty close game all the way around. They've had a good (6-2 - beat Yale FWIW, ranked 44th Massey) season. Monmouth is the better team. (They are now 8-1,ran the table on PL competition, and are ranked 34th by Massey ) Yale was simply better. (7-1, 25th on Massey) PL [IMHO Lafayette loss was the killer. They were and are a lesser team. (93rd Massey) ] Even with this year's underachieving drama we should, IMHO be 5-5. Bad loss. Colgate is simply better (38th Massey)
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 16:16:54 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2017 16:16:54 GMT -5
It was a tough schedule (relatively speaking, for a school at our level)....the thing is, they are going to continue to be tough schedules (which is good) in the foreseeable future with FBS schools, Harvard, Yale and UNH (in 18 and 19 anyway) annually on the schedule for the next 4 years.
Forces us to pick up our game.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 16:18:09 GMT -5
Post by lou on Nov 5, 2017 16:18:09 GMT -5
Colgate was better this year, not 45-7 better by any stretch, but better. Of the 6 losses: we should have won both the Dartmouth and Lafayette games. The Monmouth and UConn games could probably have gone either way and Colgate and Yale were just superior regardless of team turmoil/chemistry. If ifs and buts were chocolate and nuts I know, but this team should probably be around 7-3;4-1 right now imo. PL [IMHO Lafayette loss was the killer. They were and are a lesser team. (93rd Massey) ] Here's the thing ... they beat us that Saturday. They were better than us that Saturday. And not just because we gave it away, I thought Lafayette outplayed us, and won
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 5, 2017 16:24:12 GMT -5
Lafayette outplayed us (as evidenced by the score) but we were in no way overmatched physically or talent wise.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2017 16:27:36 GMT -5
Lafayette outplayed us (as evidenced by the score) but we were in no way overmatched physically or talent wise. They did outplay us in the final score, but not for most of the game. HC started well and looked to be off to another high scoring game. The longer Lafayette stayed with us, the more they believed in themselves...and the less we were certain of our ability to get it done. I think that, along with a couple of questionable coaching decisions, is what led to the final score.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2017 16:28:04 GMT -5
We should have been up like 17-0 going into the 4th against Lafayette...we definitely "lost" that game more than they "won"
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 16:35:06 GMT -5
Post by 6sader7 on Nov 5, 2017 16:35:06 GMT -5
Right - I'm saying that we had more talent and that they won the game.
These threads crack me up... always end with splitting hairs over speculation and semantics.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 16:52:21 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Nov 5, 2017 16:52:21 GMT -5
We are what our record says we are.
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Fordham
Nov 5, 2017 17:39:50 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2017 17:39:50 GMT -5
Listed attendance: 5467 Fordham Homecoming Accurate ? Fordham’s second largest crowd of the season.
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Post by jkh67 on Nov 5, 2017 20:31:19 GMT -5
HC could beat Lehigh next week....their D has been horrific most of the year. Glad to see the team finish the year on an up note....but it's hard to not think of the coulda, woulda, shouldas of this program this year and the last few seasons. What's done is done....onward and upward! Indeed. I've been a vocal critic of Gilmore for several years now. And of Pine for (a) giving him a multi-year contract extension several years back, and (b) not firing him after the disaster at Yankee Stadium a year ago. But some of this stuff is on the players, too. Gilmore didn't allow the blocked PAT at Dartmouth. Nor is he entirely to blame for the Lafayette game not being in hand late in the fourth quarter. The piss poor performance against Yale could not have been entirely his fault. And he was gone when Colgate came to town. This team should have done much better, Gilmore or no Gilmore. The players need to think about that...and they probably have. Beating Lehigh would be a big step on the road to redemption. GO CRUSADERS!
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2017 20:35:33 GMT -5
Lehigh is not a good team. They lost to Fordham by 10 last week, allowing 45 points.
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Post by crusader12 on Nov 6, 2017 9:46:54 GMT -5
Glad the players finally beat Fordham. Many of them it will be their only victory vs. the rams. I found it funny that the kids gave IHCBR another gatorade bath at the end of the game. (Did the same against Gtown). Glad the players are having fun again but come on.....
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Fordham
Nov 6, 2017 9:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Nov 6, 2017 9:57:34 GMT -5
Gilmore didn't allow the blocked PAT at Dartmouth. Nor is he entirely to blame for the Lafayette game not being in hand late in the fourth quarter.. GO CRUSADERS! Monday morning QB...Here's the way I saw it. Dartmouth was big, and pretty handily blocked the field goal attempt, prior to us scoring on the last second play. We then needed a point (or two) to win. So wasn't a big surprise to me that they pretty easily blocked that PAT. For me the fun of football is thinking outside the box. Maybe Gilmore does and he wins the game, he didn't, and we didn't. On him. And Laffy, what more to say, one of the strangest decisions in a coaching career. On him
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Fordham
Nov 6, 2017 11:43:38 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Nov 6, 2017 11:43:38 GMT -5
It was a tough schedule (relatively speaking, for a school at our level)....the thing is, they are going to continue to be tough schedules (which is good) in the foreseeable future with FBS schools, Harvard, Yale and UNH (in 18 and 19 anyway) annually on the schedule for the next 4 years. Forces us to pick up our game. Or lose more games. Without coaching and recruiting upgrades we could be stuck beating Georgetown and another PL bottom-feeder or two each season and that is about it.
at Colgate * at Boston College Yale Dartmouth Bucknell * at New Hampshire at Harvard Lehigh * at Lafayette * Fordham * at Georgetown *
Syracuse at Navy at Yale New Hampshire at Bucknell * at Brown Harvard Colgate * at Lehigh * Lafayette * at Fordham * Georgetown *
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Fordham
Nov 6, 2017 12:03:01 GMT -5
Post by realism on Nov 6, 2017 12:03:01 GMT -5
It was a tough schedule (relatively speaking, for a school at our level)....the thing is, they are going to continue to be tough schedules (which is good) in the foreseeable future with FBS schools, Harvard, Yale and UNH (in 18 and 19 anyway) annually on the schedule for the next 4 years. Forces us to pick up our game. Or lose more games. It was intended that the retention of Gilmore and the continued development of the program would synchronize with the escalating challenges of the schedules in 2018-19 ( Scheduling two FBS games in 2019, Syracuse and Navy, doesn't seem prudent under the best of situations ) That plan has been disrupted. Expectations should be adjusted accordingly.. I think it's reasonable to be optimistic long term. But, under the circumstances, it would be unreasonable to expect the performance results ( W-L ) over the next two years to be much different than the past 6 years ( 2012 thru 2017 ). It's amazing that more posters don't question Pine's judgment here ? Simply, a glaring failure under his oversight.
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Fordham
Nov 6, 2017 12:12:24 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Nov 6, 2017 12:12:24 GMT -5
It was intended that the retention of Gilmore and the continued development of the program would synchronize with the escalating challenges of the schedules in 2018-19 ( Scheduling two FBS games in 2019, Syracuse and Navy, doesn't seem prudent under the best of situations ) That plan has been disrupted. Expectations shoild be adjusted accordingly.. I think it's reasonable to be optimistic long term. But, under the circumstances, it would be unreasonable to expect the performance results ( W-L ) over the next two years to be much different than the past 6 years ( 2012 thru 2017 Agree with the FBS games. How about the PL games the next two years ? And the non FBS games ? Should there not be positive expectations for those games ?
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Fordham
Nov 6, 2017 12:23:07 GMT -5
Post by realism on Nov 6, 2017 12:23:07 GMT -5
It was intended that the retention of Gilmore and the continued development of the program would synchronize with the escalating challenges of the schedules in 2018-19 ( Scheduling two FBS games in 2019, Syracuse and Navy, doesn't seem prudent under the best of situations ) That plan has been disrupted. Expectations shoild be adjusted accordingly.. I think it's reasonable to be optimistic long term. But, under the circumstances, it would be unreasonable to expect the performance results ( W-L ) over the next two years to be much different than the past 6 years ( 2012 thru 2017 Agree with the FBS games. How about the PL games the next two years ? And the non FBS games ? Should there not be positive expectations for those games ? I don't understand your point. To elaborate: 1. Bye Bye PP 2. relatively few experienced underclassman 3. Unless the new coach can bring his own recruits, it's a high probability this year's recruiting class is average, at best. The timetable for getting this in sync with the schedule is not very promising: 1. There is one recruiting class ( this year 2017-18 ) 2. with one season ( 2018 ) 3. and one full year under the new H.C. system (2018-19 ) between now and the two FBS games opening up the 2019 season. That's a good thing ?
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Fordham
Nov 6, 2017 12:31:47 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Nov 6, 2017 12:31:47 GMT -5
It was intended that the retention of Gilmore and the continued development of the program would synchronize with the escalating challenges of the schedules in 2018-19 ( Scheduling two FBS games in 2019, Syracuse and Navy, doesn't seem prudent under the best of situations ) That plan has been disrupted. Expectations shoild be adjusted accordingly.. I think it's reasonable to be optimistic long term. But, under the circumstances, it would be unreasonable to expect the performance results ( W-L ) over the next two years to be much different than the past 6 years ( 2012 thru 2017 Agree with the FBS games. How about the PL games the next two years ? And the non FBS games ? Should there not be positive expectations for those games ? I think the idea is that the Ivy's (3), UNH (1), and Colgate (1) will remain significant challenges. Along with the FBS (1 or 2) . (6 or 7) Do the math (notwithstanding other PL teams) and realism's point is very well taken.
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