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Post by rgs318 on Dec 21, 2017 14:10:59 GMT -5
Will Brown is a really good coach. He and his family must be pretty content in Albany, as I'm sure he's had the opportunity to leave for bigger jobs. Wasn't he a name that was tossed around when Ralph left us in 2009? I do think Albany has ponied up some money to keep him there. Hasn't Holy Cross beaten Albany in three of the last five games? I am not sure that puts him way up there compared to HCBC or FCMB.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Dec 21, 2017 14:44:44 GMT -5
Will Brown is a really good coach. He and his family must be pretty content in Albany, as I'm sure he's had the opportunity to leave for bigger jobs. Wasn't he a name that was tossed around when Ralph left us in 2009? I do think Albany has ponied up some money to keep him there. What did Will Brown's first four years at UAlbany look like?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 21, 2017 15:38:22 GMT -5
Hasn't Holy Cross beaten Albany in three of the last five games? I am not sure that puts him way up there compared to HCBC or FCMB. Six 20-win seasons and five NCAA appearances in a span of 10 years certainly vault him a good way above FCMB.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 21, 2017 16:28:24 GMT -5
Will Brown is a really good coach. He and his family must be pretty content in Albany, as I'm sure he's had the opportunity to leave for bigger jobs. Wasn't he a name that was tossed around when Ralph left us in 2009? I do think Albany has ponied up some money to keep him there. Hasn't Holy Cross beaten Albany in three of the last five games? I am not sure that puts him way up there compared to HCBC or FCMB. Why look at a handful of games, rather than his entire career? Are you really suggesting Milan Brown is a better coach than Will Brown because he beat him one time?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 21, 2017 16:30:20 GMT -5
Will Brown is a really good coach. He and his family must be pretty content in Albany, as I'm sure he's had the opportunity to leave for bigger jobs. Wasn't he a name that was tossed around when Ralph left us in 2009? I do think Albany has ponied up some money to keep him there. What did Will Brown's first four years at UAlbany look like? In his fourth full season as coach, Albany put a serious scare into UConn in the NCAA Tournament. Jamar Wilson nearly took down the Huskies by himself.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 21, 2017 19:49:18 GMT -5
Hasn't Holy Cross beaten Albany in three of the last five games? I am not sure that puts him way up there compared to HCBC or FCMB. Why look at a handful of games, rather than his entire career? Are you really suggesting Milan Brown is a better coach than Will Brown because he beat him one time? No, just pointing out that he was not as good perhaps as the coaches at HC.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 21, 2017 19:51:58 GMT -5
What did Will Brown's first four years at UAlbany look like? In his fourth full season as coach, Albany put a serious scare into UConn in the NCAA Tournament. Jamar Wilson nearly took down the Huskies by himself. Doesn't that mean he lost? Does "almost winning" make one a good coach? It seems to some his best credit is that he does not coach at HC, so he must be better than anyone who actually does.
And, if we are comparing Albany and HC, doesn't head to head mean something more than being a mere handful of games? IMO it does.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 21, 2017 19:57:44 GMT -5
Hasn't Holy Cross beaten Albany in three of the last five games? I am not sure that puts him way up there compared to HCBC or FCMB. Six 20-win seasons and five NCAA appearances in a span of 10 years certainly vault him a good way above FCMB. Anyone who wouldn’t want Will Brown to take over the HC program right now hasn’t been paying attention. Some around these parts like to criticize the PL, yet the America East has significantly less going for it. Will Brown’s record at Albany is very impressive.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 21, 2017 20:12:39 GMT -5
Never in doubt......
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Post by timholycross on Dec 21, 2017 20:26:55 GMT -5
I don't think Larry Haley is the guy that I have in my memory. He played 21 games that season and scored 39 points--it was the only year he played at HC. It also wasn't Neil Ryan (excellent intramural football QB) who played in a few games in 70-71 but was not on the team in 71-72. This will remain a mystery to me...unless something jogs my memory. Sorry to get this thread off track Steve Anderson was a different case---scholarship player ( I believe) and the son of NYT writer/columnist Dave Anderson, (HC Grad--maybe class of 1950) . He played a couple of years and did not see the court a lot, then left the team as a junior. As a senior he was called back into service when we became shorthanded. I was a junior when Larry played. He definitely was not on the team my first two years. He might have been on the freshman team the year before I came. If he was, he definitely was a walk-on, the scholarship guys were Stan Grayson, Buddy Venne and Joe Baron (who left after his sophomore year). It would be nice if the HC media guide had rosters of freshman and JV teams when HC had them. Especially freshmen as the JV program became pretty low level before it died out. But I bet there are a lot of freshman stuff out there...pretty sure they used to do stat sheets and that sort of thing.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 21, 2017 20:42:52 GMT -5
I think it was John Kearney but not positive—Peter Knapp was my roommate
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Post by efg72 on Dec 21, 2017 20:45:30 GMT -5
Larry played as a freshman and made the team as a senior
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Post by breezy on Dec 21, 2017 20:58:49 GMT -5
The 1968-1969 Media Guide lists the freshman team. It includes Larry Haley, 6-2, 180, of Vincentian Institute, Albany, NY.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 21, 2017 21:11:36 GMT -5
68-69 media guide?!!! I just can't imagine what your attic looks like, breezy! Everyone else's mother threw all that "junk" away. Along with Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays baseball cards. I'm impressed actually.
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Post by breezy on Dec 21, 2017 21:19:14 GMT -5
Well, as one of the managers of the basketball team that year (my senior year), I am in the team picture on the back cover. I couldn't throw that away!
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Post by rf1 on Dec 21, 2017 21:39:46 GMT -5
ND's Bonzie Colson a New Bedford, MA kid....why can't we get local kids like this He is named after his dad who played for Tom Penders on the URI 1988 Sweet-16 team.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 21, 2017 22:17:25 GMT -5
RGS, there's little hope for you here. Will Brown is a superior coach in every single facet compared to Milan Brown. There's no argument to be made. I'm sure pretty much everyone on this board would agree with that statement.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 21, 2017 22:19:03 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 21, 2017 22:32:13 GMT -5
I'm inclined to give Coach Carmody a little more time before concluding that Will Brown is a vastly superior coach
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Post by hchoops on Dec 21, 2017 22:41:37 GMT -5
Career winning % Brown- .527 Carmody- ,523
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 21, 2017 23:22:23 GMT -5
I'm inclined to give Coach Carmody a little more time before concluding that Will Brown is a vastly superior coach If you sat them down for an X’s and O’s test, Carmody could probably win. But if you were considering recruiting, player development, engagement, scouting, gameplanning, maximizing talent, intangibles, etc., Will Brown would be the choice and it wouldn’t really be close. We are in pretty desperate need of a total reboot and rebuild.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 22, 2017 0:04:41 GMT -5
I'm inclined to give Coach Carmody a little more time before concluding that Will Brown is a vastly superior coach All comparisons aside, put it this way -- through 77 games, I would have hoped that we would be much further along than where we find ourselves now. I understand that Carm stepped into a mess, but I also don't think anyone here (or at least those watching) can be really comfortable with the direction we are headed in. I do think that he has recruited some nice players -- and I haven't been this excited about a class since probably RJ and Devin (speaking of the current freshmen) -- but the play on the floor is a real cause for concern. We can't simply rely on "make shots" to win games. This is why -- as ugly as it was under Willard -- we were able to win games when "shots weren't falling" because our success was predicated on doing many more things to win games other than just hitting jumpers.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 22, 2017 6:07:36 GMT -5
SOV, I think what you are saying is that you make a distinction between progress this year vs. long-term progress under Carmody because you say that you are not happy with the progress but then go on to extol the current freshmen class.
However, as many much more understanding of the Xs and Os than I have posted frequently, Carmody's system is more complicated than most. While he himself has repeatedly stated that his system is pretty simple and shouldn't take long to learn, one of my inside sources on the team told me a year or two ago that while he thinks it simple, it isn't. Maybe the principles but not the execution. My concern is that if he truly feels that way, and I am not sure he really does, then the "connection" between the coach and players that Bob Chesney talks about as being so important may not be there.
While many of us would like to see a lot more wins this season, we are probably more patient with the apparent slow progress than you might be. We are not accepting mediocrity, just of the belief that excellence will only come with time and experience.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 22, 2017 8:09:57 GMT -5
5-10 wins is not progress, imho, in year 3. I agree, connection with the players does not seem to be there. Team seems somewhat lacksadaisical. Recruiting this year was good, not stellar. Next year non existent. Much rebuilding to come.
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Post by lou on Dec 22, 2017 9:00:49 GMT -5
Anyone remember how much the players loved Coach Willard? Me neither. One player mentioned that the first morning after the last game of his senior year was the first time he slept without worrying about being late for a meeting. There's team respect with Carmody's team, that's all that counts imo. Today would be a good game to start a nice winning streak
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