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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 10, 2017 9:11:01 GMT -5
Thought it would interesting to start tracking the top freshmen around the conference. Limited to players logging over 100 minutes, through December 9th. Listed in order of minutes, broken into three equal groups. Per game averages for points, assists, rebounds (minimum 1.0 for all categories) - leaders in bold - and RoW award(s). Additions/corrections, please.
CALEB GREEN (HC), 5-10 G. 312m, 11.3p, 2.8a, 2.8r. RoW Isaiah Hart (LOY), 5-11 G. 253m, 10.4p, 3.2a, 2.1r Jordan Burns (COL), 6-0 G. 237m, 12.0p, 2.8a, 1.8r. RoW James Karnik (LEH), 6-9 C. 235m, 8.2p, 6.6r Jimmy Sotos (BUCK), 6-3 G. 220m, 6.5p, 2.1a, 2.3r. RoW
Jesse Little (AU), 6-10 F. 212m, 4.3p, 1.5a, 4.5r E.J. Stephens (LAF), 6-3 G. 210m, 7.8p, 3.0r Justin Jaworski (LAF), 6-1 G. 202m, 13.7p, 1.0a, 2.1r. RoW Javante McCoy (BU), 6-5 G. 196m, 8.9p, 2.3a, 2.3r Caleb Bennett (LEH), 6-5 G. 196m, 6.0p, 2.1r
Sam Iorio (AU), 6-5 F. 195m, 10.9p, 1.3a, 5.1r JACOB GRANDISON (HC), 6-6 F. 186m, 5.3p, 2.4r, 1.2a Alex Petrie (LAF), 6-3 G. 184m, 10.8p, 1.4r Walter Whyte (BU), 6-6 F. 174m, 7.0p, 1.6a, 3.9r Alex King (ARM), 6-8 F. 158m, 9.3p, 1.0a, 3.7r
OTHERS. Makarchuk, Bragg (AU); Faw, Niego (HC); Holcombe (LOY)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 10, 2017 9:13:50 GMT -5
WooGray--Thanks for thinking of this--it will be interesting to follow this throughout the season
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 10, 2017 9:57:16 GMT -5
Thanks, WG. I agree with KY that this should be interesting to follow.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 10, 2017 10:05:15 GMT -5
I also agree and appreciate the effort but geez I am retired and wonder where you guys find the time and energy to do all this stuff.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 10, 2017 10:46:18 GMT -5
I also agree and appreciate the effort but geez I am retired and wonder where you guys find the time and energy to do all this stuff. Clearly, many of us are dealing with OCD.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 10, 2017 11:59:47 GMT -5
Doesn't take all that much time, thanks to college-basketball.ref, and beats blowing snow off the driveway. Another 1,135 posts on the thread and we might have something truly clinical. . . . . .
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Post by hchoops on Dec 10, 2017 12:03:22 GMT -5
WG Thanks for all the work Just wondering if the total minutes are as important as the minutes per game with teams playing different amount of games
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 10, 2017 12:06:39 GMT -5
Good point. Will change to mpg for next iteration, while retaining total minutes as a qualifier.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 10, 2017 12:12:28 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing additional Crusaders join this list as the season unfolds
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Post by hc811215 on Dec 11, 2017 15:53:41 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 11, 2017 15:58:03 GMT -5
Excellent news!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 23, 2017 9:03:14 GMT -5
The top freshmen around the conference, as the OOC ends. Limited to players logging over 200 minutes, through December 22nd. Listed in order of minutes per game, broken into three groups. Per game averages for points, assists, rebounds (minimum 1.0 for all categories) - leaders in bold - and RoW award(s). Additions/corrections, please.
CALEB GREEN (HC), 5-10 G. 34.5m, 10.5p, 2.6a, 2.6r . RoW Justin Jaworski (LAF), 6-1 G. 29.3m, 11.9p, 1.1a, 2.1r. RoW Sam Iorio (AU), 6-5 F. 28.8m, 10.1p, 5.3r, 1.2 Isaiah Hart (LOY), 5-11 G. 26.9m, 10.5p, 2.8a, 1.9r Caleb Bennett (LEH), 6-5 G. 26.5m, 5.8p, 2.0r Jesse Little (AU), 6-10 F. 26.5m, 4.3p, 4.5r, 1.5a, Jordan Burns (COL), 6-0 G. 25.9m, 11.7p, 3.3a, 1.8r. RoW Javante McCoy (BU), 6-5 G. 24.6m, 8.5p, 2.2a, 2.0r James Karnik (LEH), 6-9 C. 24.1m, 8.5p, 7.0r Jimmy Sotos (BUCK), 6-3 G. 23.6m, 6.9p, 1.9a, 2.7r. RoW E.J. Stephens (LAF), 6-3 G. 23.5m, 8.4p, 3.4r Walter Whyte (BU), 6-6 F. 21.5m, 7.1p, 3.7r, 1.3 Alex Petrie (LAF), 6-3 G. 20.4m, 10.4p, 1.7r JACOB GRANDISON (HC), 6-6 F. 19.7m, 5.6p, 2.2r, 1.0a
OTHER RoW. King (ARM), BUTLER (HC)
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Post by hchoops on Dec 23, 2017 9:16:37 GMT -5
according to the HC stats, Connor N. now has 20 mpg ahead of Grandy
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 23, 2017 9:19:06 GMT -5
according to the HC stats, Connor N. now has 20 mpg ahead of Grandy My list is limited to players with 200+ minutes. Other lists may vary
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 23, 2017 9:24:36 GMT -5
Recognizing that offense is only half the game and that the teams have faced different opponents, here's where the freshmen above stand on our friend Ken Pomeroy's "ORating" metric
115.9 Sotos--Bucknell 111.6= Jaworski--Laf 110.5= Iorio--AU 104.7= Stephens---Laf 102.6= Karnik---Lehigh 102.5= Petrie--Laf 100.4= Whyte---BU 100.2= Burns--Colgate 96.1= Green---HC 95.6= McCoy---BU 95.5= Little---AU 91.6= Bennett--Lehigh 87.0= Grandison---HC 84.8= Hart---Loyola
Let's answer the obvious question--here's the stat for three more HC players not yet on the list
100.8= Austin Butler 95.9= Matt Faw 80.8= Connor Niego
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 23, 2017 9:27:19 GMT -5
Recognizing that offense is only half the game and that the teams have faced different opponents, here's where the freshmen above stand on our friend Ken Pomeroy's "ORating" metric 115.9 Sotos--Bucknell 111.6= Jaworski--Laf 110.5= Iorio--AU 104.7= Stephens---Laf 102.6= Karnik---Lehigh 102.5= Petrie--Laf 100.4= Whyte---BU 100.2= Burns--Colgate 96.1= Green---HC 95.6= McCoy---BU 95.5= Little---AU 91.6= Bennett--Lehigh 87.0= Grandison---HC KY - What is Isaiah Hart's ORtg?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 23, 2017 9:37:34 GMT -5
Woo Gray-- Forgot to include him, but now have added him-thanks for the alert
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 23, 2017 9:46:56 GMT -5
Thanks for tracking the KenPom data, KY. Eye-balling the intersection of both lists, there seems to be a group of seven or eight that stand out to me at this point as All-Rookie Team worthy . In no particular order - Green, Sotos, Jaworski, Karnik, Iorio, Burns, Hart, and McCoy. As guys like Butler, Niego, King, Stephens, Petrie, and Whyte start to accumulate consistent and significant minutes, they will start to push their way into the conversation,too.
Will continue to track through PL play.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 23, 2017 10:03:40 GMT -5
And Grandy
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 23, 2017 10:07:14 GMT -5
I'd like to get bison137's comments on Jimmy Sotos who, stat-wise at least, appears to be off to a great start
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 23, 2017 10:48:05 GMT -5
Recognizing that offense is only half the game and that the teams have faced different opponents, here's where the freshmen above stand on our friend Ken Pomeroy's "ORating" metric 115.9 Sotos--Bucknell 111.6= Jaworski--Laf 110.5= Iorio--AU 104.7= Stephens---Laf 102.6= Karnik---Lehigh 102.5= Petrie--Laf 100.4= Whyte---BU 100.2= Burns--Colgate 96.1= Green---HC 95.6= McCoy---BU 95.5= Little---AU 91.6= Bennett--Lehigh 87.0= Grandison---HC 84.8= Hart---Loyola Let's answer the obvious question--here's the stat for three more HC players not yet on the list 100.8= Austin Butler 95.9= Matt Faw 80.8= Connor Niego Wow, thanks for posting these stats KY and Gray. Really puts things in perspective.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 23, 2017 11:12:22 GMT -5
Really puts things in perspective. This is something I am actually trying to do with this thread. I continue to be hopeful about the trajectory of the program going forward, despite the disappointments of the OOC. I think we'll be significantly better next year than this. But we also have a tendency, as a group, to get a little solipsistic - Caleb Green is obviously the best freshman in the league, obviously there is no other group of freshman that can hold a candle to ours, obviously two guys who coached at Princeton can X and O rings around every other guy in the PL, obviously with everybody back in 2018-19 we will be the team to beat in the conference. Being hopeful about our team is not inconsistent with acknowledging a few realities: 1. Other Patriot League teams have very good freshmen. 2. Other Patriot League teams return many of their best players next year. 3. Other Patriot League teams have good coaches.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 23, 2017 13:41:48 GMT -5
I'd like to get bison137's comments on Jimmy Sotos who, stat-wise at least, appears to be off to a great start Am very impressed by Sotos. There is no drop-off at all when Brown takes a breather and Sotos moves to the point. Has a great handle - either hand - and great court vision. He also has shown good ability to get to the rim and finish - but that is not his role this year.
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Post by possum on Dec 23, 2017 14:37:12 GMT -5
I agree have watched a few Bucknell games and Sotos looks very good, in addition to good handle is an excellent shooter hitting 43% from three point land. At times it appears Bucknell is recruiting at a different level than the rest of the league, their senior class is as good as any since the origination of the PL.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 23, 2017 14:45:13 GMT -5
To bad the PL is holding them back from shot at the Big East.
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