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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 22, 2017 20:59:40 GMT -5
we're up 8 on field goal points but down 13 on the line
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 22, 2017 21:01:35 GMT -5
I am convinced it is not a good thing to have PB and CG on the court together.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 22, 2017 21:07:10 GMT -5
Down 6, 15 seconds left, and we get into the P.O. What a friggin joke.
Time to blow this program up and start from scratch with a staff that will focus on fundamentals and preparation rather than just shooting jump shots.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 22, 2017 21:08:33 GMT -5
This is frustrating! We cant beat anybody! Charles and Green had to be better. Floyd needs the ball more and this coaching staff needs to be on the hot seat to put some pressure and demand wins in League Play.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2017 21:09:09 GMT -5
One week to get ready for Colgate and the second half of the season.
I hope all is well with Coach Carmody.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 22, 2017 21:10:07 GMT -5
Two stats jump out at me: 1) L 2) KC reb 0
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2017 21:12:15 GMT -5
Correct on both counts.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2017 21:15:05 GMT -5
KC rebounding average per game. . .
2015-16. 4.2 2016-17. 3.3 2017-18. 1.8
He had 146 rebounds as a freshman. So far this season, he's got . . .20.
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 22, 2017 21:17:00 GMT -5
Well, we found a new way to lose...
Outscored from the FT line by 12!!!!!
We outscore them from 2's and 3's!
So frustrating!!!!!!!
Thoughts and prayers with Coach Carmody and his family!!!!!!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 22, 2017 21:22:49 GMT -5
KC rebounding average per game. . . 2015-16. 4.2 2016-17. 3.3 2017-18. 1.8 He had 146 rebounds as a freshman. So far this season, he's got . . .20. Easier to rebound when Alexander and Husek were also on the team to throw their bodies around. Now Floyd is the only other guy on the roster who is comfortable playing in the paint. This is a poorly assembled roster than has not been coached effectively. Freshmen becoming sophomores is not going to magically fix that.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 22, 2017 21:23:47 GMT -5
We have a young team. Each game shows promise from a few guys, but they haven’t been able to put it all together. I still think we will be ok, not win it all, mind you, but have a decent season. I do see improvement. We all knew that we have to be patient with this group, and good things will happen. We are a year away from being really good!
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2017 21:26:37 GMT -5
This is frustrating! We cant beat anybody! Charles and Green had to be better. Floyd needs the ball more and this coaching staff needs to be on the hot seat to put some pressure and demand wins in League Play. Anybody? Does that mean we didn't really beat the teams we already beat??? "Demand wins"...I am sure the coaches never thought of telling the players to win. I know we are frustrated right now, every HC fan must be...along with the players and the coaches. BUT, try not to lose touch with reality. Now it gets real in the PL. We'll see how things come together starting on Friday - one week from today.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2017 21:32:10 GMT -5
KC rebounding average per game. . . 2015-16. 4.2 2016-17. 3.3 2017-18. 1.8 He had 146 rebounds as a freshman. So far this season, he's got . . .20. Easier to rebound when Alexander and Husek were also on the team to throw their bodies around. Now Floyd is the only other guy on the roster who is comfortable playing in the paint. This is a poorly assembled roster than has not been coached effectively. Freshmen becoming sophomores is not going to magically fix that. You are certainly entitled to that opinion. Talking with an HC alum in Belfast (who played many moons ago for the Cross), he did say he thought KC was talented, but a "soft" player...that he needed to be tougher under the boards. I would disagree on some points. IMHO, this roster is not poorly assembled (unless you prefer that players not start as inexperienced frosh) and they are being coached well. They are progressing individually (and the players know it). The team play will also progress with time. THis is a year to build both the individuals and their teamwork. It was said by some that patience would be needed. That was right on target!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 22, 2017 21:52:20 GMT -5
Easier to rebound when Alexander and Husek were also on the team to throw their bodies around. Now Floyd is the only other guy on the roster who is comfortable playing in the paint. This is a poorly assembled roster than has not been coached effectively. Freshmen becoming sophomores is not going to magically fix that. I would disagree on some points. IMHO, this roster is not poorly assembled (unless you prefer that players not start as inexperienced frosh) and they are being coached well. They are progressing individually (and the players know it). The team play will also progress with time. THis is a year to build both the individuals and their teamwork. It was said by some that patience would be needed. That was right on target! I️ know you don’t like to deal in “absolutes” but you’re really floating out there here. -Regarding roster building, Carmody has used one of his 10 scholarships on a big guy and he hasn’t been able to get on the floor. -The staff has also placed zero emphasis on defense and rebounding with recruiting -Regarding them being “coached well,” there is no hard evidence of that. Floyd is the only player who has shown true progression and he was not a BC recruit (had far more raw tools than guys BC has brought in) “The team will also progress with time.” - That sounds like an absolute despite no actual evidence that this will automatically happen simply because “freshmen” will become “sophomores.”
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Post by purple71 on Dec 22, 2017 21:56:16 GMT -5
Just back home from the game and would offer the following observations:
No intensity in the building, even when Siena went on a run The Cross started off with a very active defense which gave us the 10 point lead every on Siena called timeout and righted the ship offensively Siena owned the boards, particularly offensively although I haven’t seen the box score When the game was at crunch time we had a couple of horrible possessions: perimeter ball movement followed by a 30 second clock beating heave or guard driving into the redwoods and throwing it up Again without seeing the box, it seemed Siena really ownedpoints in the paint with most of our paint points coming from the little guys driving through the redwoods which isn’t a viable option We never changed our offense to counted the far more active Siena defensive change Late in the second half, with the game still winnable Clareth had 26 of Siena’s 52 points apparently no one thought to issue the famous coaching order: I don’t care if the other 4 guys beat us, we will not let him beat us The Siena players were significantly more athletic than our guys Ball security was atrocious I don’t see this team playing this offense beating Siena unless we shoot 75 per cent from the field We have to recruit some blue collar inside men The foul shot discrepancy arose from their offense being more productive in terms of getting the ball inside.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 22, 2017 22:05:27 GMT -5
I seriously don't care anymore this year...I know we're young and I'll check in from time to time but this is such low-level D1 basketball right now, it's just not worth following closely. Sorry.
Thoughts and prayers to the Carmody family.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 22, 2017 22:16:28 GMT -5
I seriously don't care anymore this year...I know we're young and I'll check in from time to time but this is such low-level D1 basketball right now, it's just not worth following closely. Sorry. Thoughts and prayers to the Carmody family. I agree 100 percent about being a low level program. I have watched all eleven games and the team seems to go further down than up. The five guys they send out there seem to not even want the ball or know what to do with it. They are lucky to get two back cuts a game. They never push, they leave their feet to shot block and they cant rebound. It's sad, because they should be so much better than this.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 22, 2017 22:36:14 GMT -5
We've been a "low major-level D1 program" for a long time...Willard was able to mask it for awhile with his defensive expertise and some decent recruiting/transfers. But even he ultimately "hit a wall" coaching at HC given the way we can recruit/attract kids to HC in this era.
We can win 20+ games a year (as we have) at this level but let's not kid ourselves, most of those wins will come against similarly low-major schools.
It's just increasingly not that interesting to me anymore....and it definitely isn't that interesting to the population at large given the attendance at most of these games.
Hard choices are going to have be made by the HC administration at some point soon imo...seriously go D1 in athletics or decide to go D3. The nether-world of PL football and basketball is just ultimately not worth the $$$ in being in that league.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 22, 2017 22:37:33 GMT -5
Just back home from the game and would offer the following observations: No intensity in the building, even when Siena went on a run The Cross started off with a very active defense which gave us the 10 point lead every on Siena called timeout and righted the ship offensively Siena owned the boards, particularly offensively although I haven’t seen the box score When the game was at crunch time we had a couple of horrible possessions: perimeter ball movement followed by a 30 second clock beating heave or guard driving into the redwoods and throwing it up Again without seeing the box, it seemed Siena really ownedpoints in the paint with most of our paint points coming from the little guys driving through the redwoods which isn’t a viable option We never changed our offense to counted the far more active Siena defensive change Late in the second half, with the game still winnable Clareth had 26 of Siena’s 52 points apparently no one thought to issue the famous coaching order: I don’t care if the other 4 guys beat us, we will not let him beat us The Siena players were significantly more athletic than our guys Ball security was atrocious I don’t see this team playing this offense beating Siena unless we shoot 75 per cent from the field We have to recruit some blue collar inside men The foul shot discrepancy arose from their offense being more productive in terms of getting the ball inside. I agree with many of your points, but as far as the shooting goes two more 2pt fg's and 1 more 3 pointer would have won this game for us and that would have put us at 52%, I.e. 75 per cent not needed. Careless turnovers and too many fouls killed us
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 22, 2017 22:51:25 GMT -5
We've been a "low major-level D1 program" for a long time...Willard was able to mask it for awhile with his defensive expertise and some decent recruiting/transfers. But even he ultimately "hit a wall" coaching at HC given the way we can recruit/attract kids to HC in this era. We can win 20+ games a year (as we have) at this level but let's not kid ourselves, most of those wins will come against similarly low-major schools. It's just increasingly not that interesting to me anymore....and it definitely isn't that interesting to the population at large given the attendance at most of these games. Hard choices are going to have be made by the HC administration at some point soon imo...seriously go D1 in athletics or decide to go D3. The nether-world of PL football and basketball is just ultimately not worth the $$$ in being in that league. I agree. If you get twenty wins, you end up beating low major schools. If you do make the tournament, you schedule teams like Kansas, North Carolina, Syracuse, South Carolina and get killed. Does that help either? They have to either give up on the program or go full out. To try and be a northeast power in basketball. Otherwise this is dreadful for fans.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 22, 2017 23:19:12 GMT -5
Austin and I feel the same way . . .
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 23, 2017 4:26:23 GMT -5
My disappointment is that the gradual team improvement I was hoping for has not occurred. It's like each player is on his own individual roller coaster, and none are synchronized. Then again, poster Tom warned us several times before the season started about having to depend on freshmen.That being said, I can understand questioning coaching strategies and schemes at this point, but give the players a chance;especially the freshmen. They are going through the most challenging times of their basketball lives right now. Pardon them if they don't have Big East developed bodies at this point in their careers. Hopefully at least some of the diehards will continue to have their backs. It's not life or death.
Thoughts with the Carmodys.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 23, 2017 4:52:47 GMT -5
I thought announcer Lee made a great point in comparing the body of the junior Fisher with the HC freshmen.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 23, 2017 5:34:38 GMT -5
My disappointment is that the gradual team improvement I was hoping for has not occurred. It's like each player is on his own individual roller coaster, and none are synchronized. Then again, poster Tom warned us several times before the season started about having to depend on freshmen.That being said, I can understand questioning coaching strategies and schemes at this point, but give the players a chance;especially the freshmen. They are going through the most challenging times of their basketball lives right now. Pardon them if they don't have Big East developed bodies at this point in their careers. Hopefully at least some of the diehards will continue to have their backs. It's not life or death. Thoughts with the Carmodys. Actually, I should exclude Jehyve from this - if anything, he has been on the slow gradual upward movement that I was hoping for with the team.
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Post by bikeman on Dec 23, 2017 7:53:33 GMT -5
HC athletics are boring. It's a losing culture, mostly due to PL membership. I wish no one would attend any games so that maybe the fools on the hill would get the message. HC's reputation now is one of weakness and fear. I'm sad because I used to care. Now I'm an empty seat like my family and friends who were all season ticket holders at one time.
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