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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 23, 2017 11:15:45 GMT -5
Our first 4 games in the PL are:
Colgate @ Lafayette @ Lehigh Loyola
With the exception of Lehigh all these games are winnable. I'd love to see us go 3-1 and get the season back on track.
My sense is that, if we end up 1-3 or 0-4, this season could start to head down a very dark path.
It is time for KC and JF to step up and show the freshmen what it takes to win. Without their immediate strong contribution I do not see a way that this team will right the ship.
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 23, 2017 15:20:14 GMT -5
I see JF stepping up, seems each game of late he has shown more and more..Waiting for the explosion....KC just doesn't seem comfortable, like he is thinking too much instead of just playing...He has too have some fun and just let his game flow!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 23, 2017 15:32:19 GMT -5
Current KenPoms for the PL . . .
96 Bucknell 160 Army 189 Navy 191 Colgate 204 Lehigh 258 BU 293 Loyola 295 Lafayette 309 Holy Cross 312 American
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 23, 2017 18:09:29 GMT -5
Current KenPoms for the PL . . . 96 Bucknell 160 Army 189 Navy 191 Colgate 204 Lehigh 258 BU 293 Loyola 295 Lafayette 309 Holy Cross312 American American will get a big lift when Gasperini returns.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 23, 2017 18:14:04 GMT -5
Current KenPoms for the PL . . . 96 Bucknell 160 Army 189 Navy 191 Colgate 204 Lehigh 258 BU 293 Loyola 295 Lafayette 309 Holy Cross312 American American will get a big lift when Gasperini returns. is there a date for his return ?
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Post by bison137 on Dec 23, 2017 18:17:45 GMT -5
Current KenPoms for the PL . . . 96 Bucknell 160 Army 189 Navy 191 Colgate 204 Lehigh 258 BU 293 Loyola 295 Lafayette 309 Holy Cross312 American American will get a big lift when Gasperini returns. Yes, he is a very good player and gives them the height they are lacking. At this point, however, it is starting to look like it may be a question of IF he returns. He has missed the whole season thus far with concussion issues - and obviously that sort of injury is really scary. I know in a 12-month span that Bucknell lost two scholarship basketball players permanently (one male, one female) due to concussions - and it has happened to many other programs. Hopefully Gasperini will be back soon
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 2, 2018 22:33:17 GMT -5
I thought I would revive this thread that I started before the PL season started.
Right now 1 - 3 looks like a lock with 0 - 4 a real possibility.
Is it possible that after a 2-0 start that 5 - 25 (or worse) could be our final record?
If that ever were to happen, one would really have to consider some drastic action.
I find it so hard to believe that a season that started with such optimism and hope for the future has detetiorated to this point.
Man it must be a tough post game locker room.
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 2, 2018 22:46:48 GMT -5
If 5-25 or even 7-23 that means we would have lost 60 games over last 3 seasons. Sorry guys, coaching change would be warranted. Kearney was let go for one 20 loss season, so Carmody can average 20 loses each of his three seasons and we can remain optimistic? Cmon guys, let’s get real before this board and attendance becomes non-existent
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Post by ncaam on Jan 3, 2018 8:13:51 GMT -5
In the pantheon of HC basketball coaches Billy Raynor stands alone with 2 twenty loss seasons. CBC may be joining him.
KY caught you peeking 😏
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 3, 2018 9:31:49 GMT -5
In the pantheon of HC basketball coaches Billy Raynor stands alone with 2 twenty loss seasons. CBC may be joining him. KY caught you peeking 😏 I think it's a foregone conclusion this will be a 20 loss season. We have 16 games remaining in the regular season, and will have one in the PL Tournament. Does anyone see us going better than 8-9 the rest of the way?
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Post by hcpride on Jan 3, 2018 9:40:23 GMT -5
I don't think anyone seriously thought we were bringing in a superstar recruit this year to salvage the season. Not a surprise (given the returning players and schedule ) we're looking at well below .500. Next year most likely the trajectory continues (unless we get a couple of star recruits).
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Post by Ray on Jan 3, 2018 9:46:17 GMT -5
If 5-25 or even 7-23 that means we would have lost 60 games over last 3 seasons. Sorry guys, coaching change would be warranted. Kearney was let go for one 20 loss season, so Carmody can average 20 loses each of his three seasons and we can remain optimistic? Cmon guys, let’s get real before this board and attendance becomes non-existent Context matters. Kearney was fired because he lost 20, and he lost the team... in a year where he had a veteran roster who was expected to compete for the league title. This is nothing like that. Even if we go 5-25, Carmody's not getting fired. Even if you felt it was warranted (and I don't): - who are you going to get who's better? We'd be looking for our 5th coach in a decade. That kind of instability is not a path to success. And Carmody has a fantastic reputation in the coaching community. Dumping him isn't going to make this job look desirable. - you'd be paying Carmody for at least two more years (as far as we know, he signed a 5-year contract when hired). That's going to impact our ability to pay a replacement, even if we can attract a good one. - what about the systemic issues with firing a guy who just brought in six freshmen? A new coach isn't going to have "his own guys" for a couple years. Look, I'm not enjoying this season any more than the rest of you. Even if you think Carmody misfired on the frosh class and we're screwed for the next 3 years.... a) not only do I not agree, but I don't think you can know that with any certainty, and b) our wagon is hitched to Carmody. Any move against him at this point is absolutely a program-ruiner. I've said all along that this season is the "before" picture in a "before and after" photo array. Yes, it's uglier than I expected. But I don't think that changes what the "after" picture can look like in the next couple of years.
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Post by ncaam on Jan 3, 2018 10:04:16 GMT -5
Never said he was getting fired. Said he gets his vet team next year. If we have another losing season then look to his 2019 recruits. If they are mediocre, prolly time to go in another direction. Let’s learn from the ctg experience. Better to let go a year early than a year late. I’m kinda hoping for retirement since I fear next year will be a loser too. Good x and o; bad recruiter. He himself predicted 5 wins this year and said he was not a good salesman. Wish he had told us that three years ago. Get ridda adnp at the same time. Start over with a Chesney type energy.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 3, 2018 10:30:51 GMT -5
Agree with classmate, crusader1970, that CWC is not going to be fired but there is the possibility that he could take early retirement if there is not the improvement that he thinks should be made toward executing his game plans. The way I look at next year, all those juniors will be seniors and all those freshmen will be sophomores with tons of game experience that a lot of frosh don't get. I am very hopeful for next year as I expect JF will be even better. KC needs to get his health or his act together. MF, CN, CG and AB will all be better and hopefully will get the synergy going.
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Post by purplepig on Jan 3, 2018 10:42:19 GMT -5
Lost last night to a team that struggled to win a D3 game. The staff made no adjustments after it became clear that LC had two offensive options. The season is over. I'll check in next year.
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Post by trimster on Jan 3, 2018 10:46:16 GMT -5
As far as a move to fire Carmody being a program ruined, for this long time fan, that happened well before CWC was hired. The Willard era was clearly an aberration and as much as I love what Coach Willard did for the program, he had the scholarship advantage over everyone but American, for the first half of his tenure. Maybe Bucknell had begun giving scholarships when HC did as well, not sure on that one.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 3, 2018 10:49:16 GMT -5
Those continuing to state unequivocally that Carmody should not and will not be fired despite the product he’s putting on the floor continuing to get worse and worse remind me of those who said the same about Milan.
It is painfully obvious that the program needs to rip off the band-aid and change its course as soon as possible, which would be this March. Bring back Willard and Blaney to run the search so we will have someone in charge of the hiring process who actually knows whether basketballs are blown up or stuffed, and bring in a new coach who will have energy, focus on recruiting and player development, and utilize a system that will maximize our talent.
Bill Carmody seems like he’s a nice guy (who may even be relieved to move on from this gig) but he was just a terrible, terrible fit for our program when he was hired.
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 3, 2018 11:00:59 GMT -5
Do you think Carm at his age and financial stature, would want to come back for two more years of a team who loses 20+ games and has no recruits coming in next year? not sure he finishes out 5 full years. His body language, press conferences, statements about recruiting, game preparation, tell me he is on the back nine!
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Post by bison137 on Jan 3, 2018 11:44:04 GMT -5
. Maybe Bucknell had begun giving scholarships when HC did as well, not sure on that one. Bucknell's first scholarships were given out in 2003. The 2004-05 team that beat Kansas only started two scholarship players. Lehigh actually was the next PL team to give scholarships, just after 2000, but their program was so mediocre it didn't help for a few years.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Jan 3, 2018 12:00:59 GMT -5
Carm quote from T&G after last night: “We’re not a good team,” said Carmody. “We have to get better. I don’t want to use an excuse that we are playing all of these young guys, but they have played 13 games now. Some of these guys are good shooters. We just have to keep working and hope it clicks. Right now, we are struggling."
Ugh
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Jan 3, 2018 12:02:08 GMT -5
Never said he was getting fired. Said he gets his vet team next year. If we have another losing season then look to his 2019 recruits. If they are mediocre, prolly time to go in another direction. Let’s learn from the ctg experience. Better to let go a year early than a year late. I’m kinda hoping for retirement since I fear next year will be a loser too. Good x and o; bad recruiter. He himself predicted 5 wins this year and said he was not a good salesman. Wish he had told us that three years ago. Get ridda adnp at the same time. Start over with a Chesney type energy. When and where did he predict 5 wins for the season? I haven't seen that corroborated anywhere.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 3, 2018 12:11:50 GMT -5
I feel badly for the guys right now. It's not like they WANT to fail. Basket must have looked like a thimble last night. Hope some at least hang in there and support them; it's easy to pat someone on the back when things are going well. And thanks it advance for sparing me a lecture about free scholarship money.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 3, 2018 12:17:31 GMT -5
I feel badly for the guys right now. . . . Hope some at least hang in there and support them Dave, I think the vast majority of us feel the same way about the players. What we've been watching the last couple of weeks on the court is troubling, but not (in my mind, at least) primarily an issue with the players.
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Post by Tom on Jan 3, 2018 12:25:31 GMT -5
When and where did he predict 5 wins for the season? I haven't seen that corroborated anywhere. He said it in a preseason presentation for Worcester County alumni. Personally, I don't take anything Coach Carmody says at face value. Most of what he says comes across as coach-speak with never a frank answer. Kind of like a polite, self deprecating version of a Bill Belichick interview
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 3, 2018 12:45:02 GMT -5
I feel badly for the guys right now. . . . Hope some at least hang in there and support them Dave, I think the vast majority of us feel the same way about the players. What we've been watching the last couple of weeks on the court is troubling, but not (in my mind, at least) primarily an issue with the players. I agree Woo Gray, it's usually the same people who talk about getting better athletes, etc. My main point is I see things as a two pronged issue: 1. Coaching techniques that are showing signs of not working, and 2. Not a freshmen talent issue, but a confidence issue. When you go from winning most of the time to losing most of the time it has to be a real punch in the gut. I worry about the habit forming nature of it as well.
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