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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 4, 2018 20:24:19 GMT -5
The play of the freshmen is being over-exaggerated by people who have set the bar incredibly low. They have shown some flashes, but there is currently nobody in the group who looks like he will be a sure-fire All-PL player at some point in their career. "Carrying the team" to a 3-10 record is not exactly a notable accomplishment. They are freshmen...I know you are thick, so i forgive your failure to comprehend my point. Thank you. Now that I know they are Freshmen, I took a look back at the thread that is "Tracking the PL Freshmen" and realized that there is absolutely nothing about this class that stands out when compared to other teams int the PL.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 4, 2018 20:34:03 GMT -5
Maybe he could practice free throws? If he could hit them with regularity, he would be much more potent and if he could hit from the free throw line, he could take 2 point shots from that distance. Do you really believe that he does not practice free throws ? there are pros making a lot of money who practice, and still shoot worse than JF
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Post by HC1843 on Jan 4, 2018 21:05:04 GMT -5
They are freshmen...I know you are thick, so i forgive your failure to comprehend my point. Thank you. Now that I know they are Freshmen, I took a look back at the thread that is "Tracking the PL Freshmen" and realized that there is absolutely nothing about this class that stands out when compared to other teams int the PL. How many teams are relying on their freshman class for as many minutes as ours are playing. Trial by fire is a bitch, and screws with one's stats. Cheers.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 4, 2018 21:12:51 GMT -5
Maybe he could practice free throws? If he could hit them with regularity, he would be much more potent and if he could hit from the free throw line, he could take 2 point shots from that distance. Do you really believe that he does not practice free throws ? there are pros making a lot of money who practice, and still shoot worse than JF Many of the worst FT shooters - both pro and college - practice the most. And many of the poor shooters can hit 80% in practice.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 4, 2018 21:13:27 GMT -5
FCMB left the cupboard bare? Nay, nay nay. It was CBC himself. No Hahn, no Proctor, not Kostecka, all pretty good FCMB recruits. Instead we "whiffed". MM in the NBA. DD touring Europe and making a good living. Matt Husek's Dad was at the Lafayette game. Said Matt is #5 scorer in his pro league (don't know how good a league it is). Five wins in March with FCMB players for a coach who did not think a team like that should go to the dance because they did not win their league. CBC has most of his own players and those who are holdovers are better than his recruits. At least FCMB was smart enough to have shoot arounds. Think Larry Bird here..."Veterans and rookies alike knew Bird had been obsessed with practice when he was with the Celtics, often showing up hours early so he could work on every face of his game. Other NBA coaches had used Bird as an example of a superb work ethics. One brought his team to Boston Garden early to see number 33 in action. To his amazement, Larry wasn't on the court. Embarrassed, the coach headed for the sidelines before looking up to see Bird running on the track. He was working on his conditioning that day." 20 wins baby!!!!! The Golden era! congratulations! you were not only the first crossports poster to be banned, the first banned poster to circumvent board rules to stubbornly come back by using proxy servers, widely known by almost every poster to still be utilizing numerous aliases to parrot your own opinions, were the cause for the creation of the ignore poster button, unquestionably the holder of the most ignored poster award, but you also just composed what was by my count already the most disliked post in crossports history. what a distinguished track record! And he can stick his shootaround theory where the sun doesn't shine. And he is now officially ignored by me.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 4, 2018 21:20:47 GMT -5
Not for nothing, but the Milan Brown Era bag of Champion, Malachi, Green, et al is the only reason we have gotten any enjoyment out of HC basketball in the Bill Carmody era. And all those guys, everyone single one took 3 years to develop. And, not for nothing (I say this with love, 92), but Milan did nothing with all those guys....Carmody's run might have been improbable, but he got them there nonetheless. Milan could not, and did not, do any of that even with his best three-piece on. Cheers. Carmody's NCAA run was a flash in the pan and first NCAA win since 1953 was trivial. In fact, CBC's first March almost wound up being a carbon copy of Milan's swan song. A pillow-fight win over Loyola followed by an overtime game against top-seeded Bucknell. In Milan's last game, Malcolm's three-point attempt at the OT buzzer to tie (or win?) rimmed out. This time was different as Anthony Thompson's air ball was rebounded by Rob Champion who had to dribble to the corner and hoist a buzzer-beating three-pointer falling out of bounds to force the second extra frame. The next two PL tournament games were characterized by halves of basketball where the opponent was absolutely stymied by the 1-3-1 (thank you for coming back from injury, Eric Green). Between the second half of the Army game and the first half of the Lehigh PLC game, our opponents scored 23 points in 40 minutes of basketball. If those two halves had been combined into one real game, it would be very close to the record for fewest points scored in a men's game in the shot clock-era. Was it luck or was it simply upperclassmen playing the best defensive basketball of their lives? Or opponents adjusting to a defense they were not expecting? Given his track record here, HCBC is clearly not a defensive wizard.
Hater disclaimer: I enjoyed every second of the NCAA run from waking my girlfriend up by screaming after RC's shot, to going to West Point with local classmates to see us shred a veteran Black Knight team, and taking off work early to beat the Holland Tunnel traffic en route to Bethlehem for the PLC, where I had the pleasure of meeting and sitting next to HC92! Meeting up with alums in NYC for the NCAA games was icing on the cake and memories I will not soon forget.
Would any posters' attitudes or opinions be different if Champion's shot had been released a second too late, or had his foot been on the line? Safe to say even the strongest Carmody loyalists would be restless. I like this year's freshmen class and am hopeful that he backs it up with a strong class next year. Absolutely critical for the program to make any progress, given that we will have a junior class that has yet to show they can regularly contribute on the floor of a Division I basketball game. Any possibility of a 6'12" transfer, the HC70 special?I remember the Willard quote, "if the freshmen see significant minutes this year, it means we're in trouble." I'll take a dumpster fire season if it means the frosh gain valuable experience and begin to gel. Within this season, however, I am not feeling confident that we have improved one bit since the Sacred Heart and Harvard wins to start the year -- perhaps a stretch of PL home games with students back and hopefully decent crowds for the BU, Bucknell and Lafayette (Homecoming) games give the guys a needed boost.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 4, 2018 21:48:51 GMT -5
"Critical point in Season?".....seriously? This hoop season is ovah in many ways....maybe, maybe get the frosh to gel as a group.
Soup to nuts....we have a terrible overall varsity athletic program right now. Postahs here can pretend we are still relevant in D1 hoop but we are closer to D2/D3 than we are to Top 100 D1 hoop....a complete restructuring of our athletic program is needed overall if HC expects athletics to help its overall brand in anyway.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 4, 2018 22:05:11 GMT -5
87- why do botha to post here? Maybe take a hiatus until until the programs that mattah to you return to levels satisfactory to you.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 4, 2018 22:23:15 GMT -5
I'm Irish-Catholic.....love the Catholic guilt/masochism.... You people need me lol.....without me, all you have is HC70 to hold your feet to the the fire lol.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 4, 2018 22:27:02 GMT -5
"Critical point in Season?".....seriously? This hoop season is ovah in many ways....maybe, maybe get the frosh to gel as a group. Soup to nuts....we have a terrible overall varsity athletic program right now. Postahs here can pretend we are still relevant in D1 hoop but we are closer to D2/D3 than we are to Top 100 D1 hoop....a complete restructuring of our athletic program is needed overall if HC expects athletics to help its overall brand in anyway. A "complete restructuring"----is that something that you could accomplish just by making decisions, or is it something that takes time?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 4, 2018 22:30:52 GMT -5
87- why do botha to post here? Maybe take a hiatus until until the programs that mattah to you return to levels satisfactory to you. That's a tall ordah - ihoop will be satisfied only when we win the average Patriot League football game by 55 points and get back to Top 25 in the Sagarin for all of Division I. For basketball, a Big East invite would have to arrive in the mail for the head to turn. Hockey could be a club spawt though.
Also, I always found it interesting that HC87, despite being a HS basketball coach, always seemed much more emotionally invested in HC football than basketball. Not that it's a bad thing in the least -- true die hard Holy Cross football supporters are becoming fewer and further in between and his passion is unrivaled by only a select few alum and former players, even though it may get him into trouble at times.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 4, 2018 22:31:27 GMT -5
"Critical point in Season?".....seriously? This hoop season is ovah in many ways....maybe, maybe get the frosh to gel as a group. Soup to nuts....we have a terrible overall varsity athletic program right now. Postahs here can pretend we are still relevant in D1 hoop but we are closer to D2/D3 than we are to Top 100 D1 hoop....a complete restructuring of our athletic program is needed overall if HC expects athletics to help its overall brand in anyway. A "complete restructuring"----is that something that you could accomplish just by making decisions, or is it something that takes time? No doubt it would be a HUGE undertaking....something basically akin to going co-ed etc.....it would change the culture of the school thoroughly. All I'm saying is that the PL hasn't helped the school's athletic department (and in some ways the school itself) ovah the last 30 years.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 4, 2018 22:32:54 GMT -5
You people need me lol.....without me, all you have is HC70 to hold your feet to the the fire lol. at least you're consistent (albeit banging your head against the wall) and not the absolute epitome of hypocrisy regarding the hc hoops coaching situation, ihoop.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 4, 2018 22:34:22 GMT -5
87- why do botha to post here? Maybe take a hiatus until until the programs that mattah to you return to levels satisfactory to you. That's a tall ordah - ihoop will be satisfied only when we win the average Patriot League football game by 55 points and get back to Top 25 in the Sagarin for all of Division I. For basketball, a Big East invite would have to arrive in the mail for the head to turn. Hockey could be a club spawt though.
Also, I always found it interesting that HC87, despite being a HS basketball coach, always seemed much more emotionally invested in HC football than basketball. Not that it's a bad thing in the least -- true die hard Holy Cross football supporters are becoming fewer and further in between and his passion is unrivaled by only a select few alum and former players, even though it may get him into trouble at times.
Basically because football is playing at the right level whilst basketball in the PL is a total waste of time.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 4, 2018 22:35:00 GMT -5
Same. Exact. Thing. Every. Single. Post. Absolute insanity.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 4, 2018 22:36:25 GMT -5
I'm Irish-Catholic.....love the Catholic guilt/masochism.... You people need me lol.....without me, all you have is HC70 to hold your feet to the the fire lol. FACT. No one ever said broken records can't be entertaining. I look forward to your posts and enjoy your perspective and humor despite your habit of sometimes "beating a dead hawse".
I also have to say I missed HC70 during his very noticeable absence and am glad to have his voice and passion back on this board.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 4, 2018 22:40:41 GMT -5
Same. Exact. Thing. Every. Single. Post. Absolute insanity. Seriously....why are you being a douche here? In person we get along...don't get it.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 4, 2018 22:42:19 GMT -5
That's a tall ordah - ihoop will be satisfied only when we win the average Patriot League football game by 55 points and get back to Top 25 in the Sagarin for all of Division I. For basketball, a Big East invite would have to arrive in the mail for the head to turn. Hockey could be a club spawt though.
Also, I always found it interesting that HC87, despite being a HS basketball coach, always seemed much more emotionally invested in HC football than basketball. Not that it's a bad thing in the least -- true die hard Holy Cross football supporters are becoming fewer and further in between and his passion is unrivaled by only a select few alum and former players, even though it may get him into trouble at times.
Basically because football is playing at the right level whilst basketball in the PL is a total waste of time. At what time would you say Holy Cross basketball started playing below the "right level"? When you were in school, we were in the MAAC I believe or North Atlantic Conference which is a predecessor to the A-East. So seems to me the drop would have been sometime soon after the rejection of the Big East by Fr. Brooks?
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Post by hc87 on Jan 4, 2018 22:46:13 GMT -5
The Big East decision was the Alpha&Omega of Holy Cross athletics....joining the PL was just the frosting on the cake
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Post by timholycross on Jan 5, 2018 1:29:28 GMT -5
The Big East decision was the Alpha&Omega of Holy Cross athletics....joining the PL was just the frosting on the cake ...somewhat in agreement with that... to me it was when the Patriot League became all sports and they took away basketball scholarships. The late 80s and early 90s featured some talented ballplayers most of us would kill for now; a av very good women's program. If all HC had to do in the last 7 or so years was yank football back from the failed Ivy philosophy, it would still be a tough job but not nearly as tough as what's being faced now.
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2018 10:03:08 GMT -5
FCMB left the cupboard bare? Nay, nay nay. It was CBC himself. No Hahn, no Proctor, not Kostecka, all pretty good FCMB recruits. Instead we "whiffed". MM in the NBA. DD touring Europe and making a good living. Matt Husek's Dad was at the Lafayette game. Said Matt is #5 scorer in his pro league (don't know how good a league it is). Five wins in March with FCMB players for a coach who did not think a team like that should go to the dance because they did not win their league. Let me preface my remarks by saying I have never even hinted the Coach Brown left the cupboard bare. As you pointed out, that cupboard is what took the team dancing a couple of years ago. I have said many times on this board that I do not think the unbalanced classes are a recipe for long term success. Much of that was set in play before Coach Carmody got here. (BTW - I am not blaming Coach Brown for Carver getting a severe concussion or O'Shea's uncle getting a D-I job - Stuff happens). You could reasonably argue that Coach Carmody should not have used one of the six frosh scholarships and sat on it so there would be at least one frosh next year. However, blaming Coach Carmody for Hahn, Proctor, and Kostecka is neither reasonable nor fair. Kostecka was never coming here. With Hahn in the class of 2018 and Benzan, Floyd, Perkins, and Proctor in the class of 2019 there was no scholarship for him. That was the status the day Coach Brown was released. Kostecka is in the same boat as hundreds of other kids who weren't coming to HC. Hahn was a done deal before Coach Carmody was hired. It didn't matter if John Wooden got the job, he was gone. You can't blame Coach Carmody for that. I suppose you could blame Coach Carmody for not retaining Proctor. He tried, but Proctor wanted to re-open his recruitment. Maybe he didn't try hard enough. Maybe his system or his personality didn't sit right with Proctor. No one here knows. Personally, I'm not too worked up about this. To me, it's not a huge deal if someone, athlete or not, changes schools. Sometimes the fit isn't right. After committing to Holy Cross and then Iona, he's off to a good start at High Point. When a kid jumps a second time, I start to question the kid. Maybe Coach Carmody didn't try hard enough to retain Proctor, but maybe he realized that Proctor wasn't going to be happy in any situation.
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Post by joe on Jan 5, 2018 10:09:38 GMT -5
Would any posters' attitudes or opinions be different if Champion's shot had been released a second too late, or had his foot been on the line?
Crazy I had the exact same thought yesterday. Interesting to ponder, for sure.
I was under the impression that this enormous achievement/gift of the that magical run would have acted as a catalyst for consistent success in terms of recruiting and national prominence.
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Post by lou on Jan 5, 2018 10:17:08 GMT -5
In the post game interview on the floor after beating Lehigh for the championship, Carmody said on national TV that he was afraid of what the expectations would be for the next year. Half in jest, maybe. Or he knew what they just achieved and also knew it would be very difficult to replicate.
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Post by joe on Jan 5, 2018 10:22:06 GMT -5
My only recruiting criticism is like of size, a true ready to play center, tall and strong, as we have seen at other schools, including Lehigh, Bucknell, etc. I understand the difficulty of recruiting one at this level, particularly given the AI and the nuances of the position within the framework of the PO. Still need one though. We have enough 1s, 2s, 3s, and 4s to go around. How about a big man? Transfer opportunities?
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Post by hchoops on Jan 5, 2018 10:28:45 GMT -5
My only recruiting criticism is like of size, a true ready to play center, tall and strong, as we have seen at other schools, including Lehigh, Bucknell, etc. I understand the difficulty of recruiting one at this level, particularly given the AI and the nuances of the position within the framework of the PO. Still need one though. We have enough 1s, 2s, 3s, and 4s to go around. How about a big man? Transfer opportunities? The staff made this effort with Stevens. Obviously, it has not worked out thus far. Bigs are often projects. Some work, others do not.
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