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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 8, 2018 9:39:26 GMT -5
You would be thrilled if we had accomplished what Bucknell has in that time -- multiple NCAA Tournament wins and an NIT win. How many other mid-majors (and some P5 schools) can say that?
Since 2005, Bucknell has made five NCAA Tournaments, three NITs, won two NCAA Tournament games, and one NIT. I understand the postseason isn't the be all end all, but would you be surprised if I told you that Bucknell has been to and won more NCAA Tournament games since 2005 than the following Big East / A10 schools -- Seton Hall Providence DePaul St. John's Rhode Island Duquesne St. Joseph's St. Bonaventure Umass George Washington Richmond Fordham Of course, schools like Seton Hall, PC, and St. John's have a bigger name, play in a better conference, would beat Bucknell head to head more often than not, but my point is that we would be doing back flips had we had Bucknell's success in the past 15 years. |
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Post by nhteamer on Jan 8, 2018 9:58:32 GMT -5
agree 100%
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 8, 2018 10:12:38 GMT -5
Pogo was right.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2018 10:18:41 GMT -5
Trimster, I appreciate your general agreement with my last post. But in '47-'61, Holy Cross was 100% male and even into the 50's, if you read Fr. K's book, Holy Cross was still one of the largest Catholic colleges in the country and, speaking for myself, having been born in 1948, this was not only before I was born to when I was in grammar school, the number of schools playing D-I basketball were a lot fewer. I know someone will correct me but weren't only 8 schools in the '47 NCAA tournament?
My point is, NCAA and NIT championships in basketball and NCAA championships in baseball will not return to Mt. St. James and as long as we have a male enrollments of 1,500 or fewer, smaller than when I was there in '66-'70, it would take a miracle to ever again be a true national athletic power.
So, Holy Cross is what it is and we try to excel at the level we play at. We can and should do our level best to win consistently, PL and Atlantic Hockey championships and contend in the off years.
If if posters here think they can change that, do so. If not, accept that they have no control over future Crusader athletics and stop complaining over and over about the same things here.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2018 10:18:44 GMT -5
Nice reference, WG. I wonder how many of us know/remember who "the enemy" was and is.  |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2018 10:19:50 GMT -5
"US"
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Post by ncaam on Jan 8, 2018 10:25:56 GMT -5
Trimster, I appreciate your general agreement with my last post. But in '47-'61, Holy Cross was 100% male and even into the 50's, if you read Fr. K's book, Holy Cross was still one of the largest Catholic colleges in the country and, speaking for myself, having been born in 1948, this was not only before I was born to when I was in grammar school, the number of schools playing D-I basketball were a lot fewer. I know someone will correct me but weren't only 8 schools in the '47 NCAA tournament? My point is, NCAA and NIT championships in basketball and NCAA championships in baseball will not return to Mt. St. James and as long as we have a male enrollments of 1,500 or fewer, smaller than when I was there in '66-'70, it would take a miracle to ever again be a true national athletic power. So, Holy Cross is what it is and we try to excel at the level we play at. We can and should do our level best to win consistently, PL and Atlantic Hockey championships and contend in the off years. If if posters here think they can change that, do so. If not, accept that they have no control over future Crusader athletics and stop complaining over and over about the same things here. We are not only not excelling but failing miserably by and large. |
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Post by joe on Jan 8, 2018 10:36:11 GMT -5
I think a lot of people who moan on this board also complain to whatever contacts they have on the hill. I don't believe those that can effect change on the hill have been all that good at or interested in responding. Do agree it's getting tiresome. The whole thing is getting tiresome. I believe the folks on this board represent the last of the die hard fans, annoying is things have become, so the infighting we often bear is unfortunate. Personally my shelf life is coming to an end listening to the same old crap day after day, even from myself.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 8, 2018 10:38:22 GMT -5
Trying to sustain 25 varsity sports with an enrollment <3K is root of the problems.
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Post by ncaam on Jan 8, 2018 10:40:00 GMT -5
Stop posting this stuff here. Send it to someone on the Hill who cares. If you can find him.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 8, 2018 10:48:09 GMT -5
I'm not living in the 70's and bitching and blasting HC staffers as clueless and useless like several do.
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Post by ncaam on Jan 8, 2018 10:55:37 GMT -5
You tell others not to btch but you do plenty yourself. Just enjoy all the winning ADNP has brung us.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 8, 2018 11:18:40 GMT -5
Still pissed the current staff doesn't give you info?
Find a single post where I have bitched about the HC programs.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 8, 2018 11:25:52 GMT -5
Trying to sustain 25 varsity sports with an enrollment <3K is root of the problems. At a Division 1 (don't throw stones at me for saying that, it's still true) level. 25 sports for a college like Holy Cross is strictly a Division 3 venture (and don't throw stones at me for saying that either). |
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Post by Tom on Jan 8, 2018 11:34:22 GMT -5
Totally off topic, but this is the first time I noticed. . .
Sader1970 - I love your new avatar
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Post by joe on Jan 8, 2018 11:47:32 GMT -5
Agree about the number of D1 sports. It's totally ridiculous, especially since we generally are not good as most of them. It's a silly model. Does not work. Has never worked. Will not work. Need football and basketball to remain D1 and deal with Title 9 issues to the best of our ability.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 8, 2018 12:29:10 GMT -5
Agree about the number of D1 sports. It's totally ridiculous, especially since we generally are not good as most of them. It's a silly model. Does not work. Has never worked. Will not work. Need football and basketball to remain D1 and deal with Title 9 issues to the best of our ability. The thought may be that all those sports pull in applicants/athletes and give HC an identity. Won-loss records notwithstanding. As far as the two traditional marquee sports you mention, sub par recruiting forestalls program success. |
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Post by joe on Jan 8, 2018 12:37:16 GMT -5
Agree about the number of D1 sports. It's totally ridiculous, especially since we generally are not good as most of them. It's a silly model. Does not work. Has never worked. Will not work. Need football and basketball to remain D1 and deal with Title 9 issues to the best of our ability. The thought may be that all those sports pull in applicants/athletes and give HC an identity. Won-loss records notwithstanding. As far as the two traditional marquee sports you mention, sub par recruiting forestalls program success.
My reply (not being sarcastic) is: What identity? Right now, an identity of losing. D1 is in name only for the non-major sports. Some would argue even the majors.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2018 12:37:24 GMT -5
Well, Tom, as we say in RI, "I know a guy" who graciously modeled this shirt for me but was much too modest to want to have his face in my avatar. I certainly appreciate him showing me this shirt that I am sure he dug up from his attic or basement.  |
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Post by joe on Jan 8, 2018 12:39:06 GMT -5
Well, Tom, as we say in RI, "I know a guy" who graciously modeled this shirt for me but was much too modest to want to have his face in my avatar. I certainly appreciate him showing me this shirt that I am sure he dug up from his attic or basement. This looks like standard issue football training shirt from early 90s, sans player number. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 8, 2018 12:39:07 GMT -5
Agree about the number of D1 sports. It's totally ridiculous, especially since we generally are not good as most of them. It's a silly model. Does not work. Has never worked. Will not work. Need football and basketball to remain D1 and deal with Title 9 issues to the best of our ability. Don’t most PL teams have a similar number and variety of sports and have more success with the same AI ? |
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Post by joe on Jan 8, 2018 12:40:38 GMT -5
Agree about the number of D1 sports. It's totally ridiculous, especially since we generally are not good as most of them. It's a silly model. Does not work. Has never worked. Will not work. Need football and basketball to remain D1 and deal with Title 9 issues to the best of our ability. Don’t most PL teams have a similar number and variety of sports and have more success with the same AI ? Yes but not us. |
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Post by hcpride on Jan 8, 2018 12:49:23 GMT -5
The thought may be that all those sports pull in applicants/athletes and give HC an identity. Won-loss records notwithstanding. As far as the two traditional marquee sports you mention, sub par recruiting forestalls program success.
My reply (not being sarcastic) is: What identity? Right now, an identity of losing. D1 is in name only for the non-major sports. Some would argue even the majors.
Oh, I'm not saying it is a great identity, but it is one. We play a lot of 'D1' sports in the Patriot League. |
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Post by nhteamer on Jan 8, 2018 12:53:25 GMT -5
Agree about the number of D1 sports. It's totally ridiculous, especially since we generally are not good as most of them. It's a silly model. Does not work. Has never worked. Will not work. Need football and basketball to remain D1 and deal with Title 9 issues to the best of our ability. The thought may be that all those sports pull in applicants/athletes and give HC an identity. Won-loss records notwithstanding. As far as the two traditional marquee sports you mention, sub par recruiting forestalls program success. 'pride, I know for a fact that you are 100% correct |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 8, 2018 13:06:44 GMT -5
Agree about the number of D1 sports. It's totally ridiculous, especially since we generally are not good as most of them. It's a silly model. Does not work. Has never worked. Will not work. Need football and basketball to remain D1 and deal with Title 9 issues to the best of our ability. Don’t most PL teams have a similar number and variety of sports and have more success with the same AI ? As to full-members of the PL - no. Examples: BU - no baseball or FB, Colgate - no baseball, AU - competes in only 14 sports and so on. |
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