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Post by joe on Jan 8, 2018 13:10:29 GMT -5
The thought may be that all those sports pull in applicants/athletes and give HC an identity. Won-loss records notwithstanding. As far as the two traditional marquee sports you mention, sub par recruiting forestalls program success. 'pride, I know for a fact that you are 100% correct No one has suggested that they don't feel this way on the hill. Problem is they are wrong. I don't see much buzz, even living in MA, about anything related to HC in general (as a school) or HC athletics, least of which is our myriad losing minor sports programs. Most people think we're D3 anyway. If we want to fill the classrooms with smart D3 type student-athletes that's a noble venture, nothing wrong with that at all. In that case we should join a D3 league with high academic standards and maybe consistently win some championships. Several options for that in New England. What we have now is a charade. As soon as there leadership capable of taking a hard look at HC in a mirror, I don't expect to see much forward progress.
And I will just go ahead and say it - the 97 million dollars should have been spent differently. Should have been part of a larger initiative to restructure HC athletics including better conference alignments, stripping away the smaller sports, with the actual cash having been spent equally on infrastructure changes to improve not only training facilities, but also simple but meaningful upgrades to Fitton Field and the Hart gym, getting everything up to ADA, and the rest spent on coaching salaries, media outreach, and recruiting. Ice Hockey? It makes so little sense to me where we're going with this program that I can't even offer a rational opinion on what to do. Step one I suppose is having a venue to play games that is not smaller than a high school rink.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 8, 2018 13:12:12 GMT -5
Don’t most PL teams have a similar number and variety of sports and have more success with the same AI ? As to full-members of the PL - no. Examples: BU - no baseball or FB, Colgate - no baseball, AU - competes in only 14 sports and so on. Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette ? I know they do not have hockey, but most others ?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 8, 2018 13:16:36 GMT -5
As to full-members of the PL - no. Examples: BU - no baseball or FB, Colgate - no baseball, AU - competes in only 14 sports and so on. Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette ? I know they do not have hockey, but most others ? Why do you dismiss hockey? As to the other schools - the # of sports they sponsor is easily found on each schools website.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 8, 2018 13:26:36 GMT -5
Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette ? I know they do not have hockey, but most others ? Why do you dismiss hockey? As to the other schools - the # of sports they sponsor is easily found on each schools website. I did not mean to dismiss hockey, just point out that it is one sport those 3 do not have. just lazy, as to why I do not research further
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 8, 2018 13:39:11 GMT -5
Why do you dismiss hockey? As to the other schools - the # of sports they sponsor is easily found on each schools website. I did not mean to dismiss hockey, just point out that it is one sport those 3 do not have. just lazy, as to why I do not research further And Laf, Lehigh and Buck not having M+W hockey is a very significant difference.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 8, 2018 13:52:14 GMT -5
We were closer in hockey, more recently, than we have been in any other sport, to national prominence and a program that could get a reputation and build on it. Posters have said earlier there are only one or two opportunities provided that one can capitalize on before their chances are through. The Pearl win in the NCAAs over Minnesota was one of them. It is 10x more likely to win at the highest levels, faster, in hockey than it would be in basketball, and 1000x more likely than football.
We throw away hockey, yet we pine (puns intended all around) for baseball to be played in Massachusetts in February and March or after half the students are already gone/not thinking about school?
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Post by cmo on Jan 8, 2018 14:16:23 GMT -5
Are athletes of "minor" sports more likely to contribute to HC as alumni / alumna?
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Post by Tom on Jan 8, 2018 14:27:02 GMT -5
The other half of that equation is population. BU has way more undergrads. Lehigh has about 5000 undergrads. Lafayette is somewhat smaller. Colgate is about the same
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Post by trimster on Jan 8, 2018 14:52:59 GMT -5
Sader'70
My point on hoops in the '47-'61 era is we should appreciate what those guys did and I believe we do, regardless of the landscape at the time. When you look at the All-Americans from that era and see HC players there with some of the greats of the game, that's pretty cool. I fully understand those heady days are long gone and will never return. I suspect we are in the PL for the long haul. I'd like to see the league get stronger and that is why I floated the idea of making it easier for hoop recruits to gain admission, (low band recruits), and trying to get some other schools with decent hoops histories, interested in becoming members. Another local school and a couple from the NYC area schools would be nice. Part of what athletics does is bring alumni together and I think it's it's fair to say PL affiliation has failed miserably for HC on that front.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2018 15:01:16 GMT -5
Would love to see Fairfield in the PL. They are not likely to bring back football but much larger BU doesn't have football.
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Post by trimster on Jan 8, 2018 15:08:30 GMT -5
Me too as well as Fordham, Northeastern and someone from the VA or Carolina area.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jan 8, 2018 17:48:13 GMT -5
FWIW, here's the number of PL sports sponsored by members of the PL. Note several of the schools sponsor sports like wrestling & ice hockey that are not PL Sports.
Bucknell, 24 Lehigh, 24 Holy Cross, 24 Colgate 22 Lafayette, 22 Navy, 21 Boston University, 20 Army West Point, 20 Loyola Maryland, 17 American -15
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Post by hchoops on Jan 8, 2018 17:50:06 GMT -5
FWIW, here's the number of PL sports sponsored by members of the PL. Not several of the schools sponsor sports like wrestling & ice hockey that are not PL Sports. Bucknell, 24 Lehigh, 24 Holy Cross, 24 Colgate 22 Lafayette, 22 Navy, 21 Boston University, 20 Army West Point, 20 Loyola Maryland, 17 American -15 Thank you
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Post by hopjim on Jan 16, 2018 21:24:25 GMT -5
Regarding no one knowing about the Patriot League, I travel around the US, Texas and the Southern states in particular, and surprisingly most basketball fans know about Bucknell due to their success in basketball. fyi, few know Holy Cross exists.
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