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Jan 12, 2018 14:25:54 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 12, 2018 14:25:54 GMT -5
Has HC's defense improved? We've had a "defensive efficiency" below 100 in 3 of the last 4 games. In the six games this season when we've had that good a def efficiency we have won 4 times. The two such games that we did not win were against Lafayette when we had, by far, our worst shooting game of the season, as measured by effective FG pctg. The other such loss was last night at Navy when we had our third worst shooting game of the year. HC has had an effective FG percentage below .500 in three games this season: .450 against Navy, .410 against UMass, and the ludicrous .352 against Lafayette. We should win all our games when our defense is as efficient (through skill or luck or "shots not falling") as it was last night. If we had even mediocre, instead of horrendous, shooting nights we would have won those two games.
Oddly enough, the Lafayette and Navy games were our two best defensive rebounding games of the year........
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Jan 12, 2018 14:47:37 GMT -5
Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 12, 2018 14:47:37 GMT -5
So Carmody, owner of 3 consecutive losing seasons, blamed last night on Pat Benzan and the officials? Perfect. When does he start looking in the mirror? Milan and Kearney would both be destroyed (rightfully) for these types of comments and this type of play on the floor.
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Jan 12, 2018 14:50:20 GMT -5
Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 12, 2018 14:50:20 GMT -5
Has HC's defense improved? We've had a "defensive efficiency" below 100 in 3 of the last 4 games. In the six games this season when we've had that good a def efficiency we have won 4 times. The two such games that we did not win were against Lafayette when we had, by far, our worst shooting game of the season, as measured by effective FG pctg. The other such loss was last night at Navy when we had our third worst shooting game of the year. HC has had an effective FG percentage below .500 in three games this season: .450 against Navy, .410 against UMass, and the ludicrous .352 against Lafayette. We should win all our games when our defense is as efficient (through skill or luck or "shots not falling") as it was last night. If we had even mediocre, instead of horrendous, shooting nights we would have won those two games. Oddly enough, the Lafayette and Navy games were our two best defensive rebounding games of the year........ Isn't the offensive efficiency an important component to consider? Or are those numbers adjusted for opponent? The 4 teams we have beaten this year have an offensive ranking of 308 - 253 - 305 - 331.
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Jan 12, 2018 16:45:23 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 12, 2018 16:45:23 GMT -5
Has HC's defense improved? We've had a "defensive efficiency" below 100 in 3 of the last 4 games. In the six games this season when we've had that good a def efficiency we have won 4 times. The two such games that we did not win were against Lafayette when we had, by far, our worst shooting game of the season, as measured by effective FG pctg. The other such loss was last night at Navy when we had our third worst shooting game of the year. HC has had an effective FG percentage below .500 in three games this season: .450 against Navy, .410 against UMass, and the ludicrous .352 against Lafayette. We should win all our games when our defense is as efficient (through skill or luck or "shots not falling") as it was last night. If we had even mediocre, instead of horrendous, shooting nights we would have won those two games. Oddly enough, the Lafayette and Navy games were our two best defensive rebounding games of the year........ Isn't the offensive efficiency an important component to consider? Or are those numbers adjusted for opponent? The 4 teams we have beaten this year have an offensive ranking of 308 - 253 - 305 - 331. Over the last 2.5 years, our combined record is 34-49 for a .410 winning percentage -- below the Milandoza Line. AVG overall ranking of W's: 254.1 AVG offensive ranking of W's: 252.1 Of those 34 wins, only 6 (18%) came against teams with an offensive ranking in the top 200, and 65% came against teams that were ranked above 250 on offense. If we weren't fortunate enough to have Dr. Brett Reed and Tommy Amaker on our schedules, that top 200 number would dip down to only 3 wins. There is a pretty clear trend developing that we are only able to beat inept teams.
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Jan 12, 2018 17:20:17 GMT -5
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Post by dadominate on Jan 12, 2018 17:20:17 GMT -5
can someone with an open mind who isn’t 100% negative about everything carmody does or says (i.e. not ncaam [and his numerous aliases... which are obvious to almost all of us by now] or bbc) post what carmody actually said that constituted “throwing pb under the bus”?
it is possible that carmody did so, which would be out of line, but we have had very selective reporting on some of carmody’s previous interviews by these guys (such as selectively reporting that karl charles was “fine” without providing everything else that carmody said that CLEARLY expressed he was not 100%) so i would appreciate an unbiased report from any of our more trusted posters.
p.s. - no matter how much one disparages carmody’s every word, the officiating was atrocious last night. it’s not the reason we lost, but it sure didn’t help.
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Jan 12, 2018 17:23:54 GMT -5
Post by lou on Jan 12, 2018 17:23:54 GMT -5
I guess this was it ... “We had the ball with 13 seconds left (in regulation) and didn’t get a shot off. That is obviously troubling.”
The reporter added this, it was not a Carmody quote
HC had a chance to put the Midshipmen away in regulation. With the game tied, 48-48, the Crusaders got a defensive rebound with under 30 seconds left. But Patrick Benzan lost the ball as he drove in the lane.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2018 17:26:31 GMT -5
“We had the ball with 13 seconds left (in regulation) and didn’t get a shot off. That is obviously troubling.” No Silver Fox ?
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Jan 12, 2018 17:44:52 GMT -5
Post by Crosser on Jan 12, 2018 17:44:52 GMT -5
I think Pat would admit that his play at the end of regulation was not a great decision. It wasn’t the reason we lost the game. Maybe some here thought our coach was singling this play out and could be construed as a “throwing under the bus.”
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Jan 12, 2018 18:01:00 GMT -5
Post by dadominate on Jan 12, 2018 18:01:00 GMT -5
I guess this was it ... “We had the ball with 13 seconds left (in regulation) and didn’t get a shot off. That is obviously troubling.” thanks for the clarification, lou. i would hardly call that comment throwing a player under the bus, since a.) no player is mentioned by name and b.) this wasn't even a single player issue. the onus is on the team (including the coach) to collectively ensure that a play gets run to get a shot off. it's not like carmody said, "pat needs not to stumble with the ball" or anything of that nature. personally, i think carmody should have called a timeout to set up a play. p.s. - i was envisioning something to the effect of the comment that "malcolm missed an easy shot" after a close loss that was, not at all surprisingly, defended as *not* throwing a player under the bus by the poster who provided this typically misleading interpretation. the hypocrisy simply knows no bounds and never ceases to amaze.
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Jan 12, 2018 18:04:19 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Jan 12, 2018 18:04:19 GMT -5
Who among you listen to the post game show?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 12, 2018 18:11:07 GMT -5
I think Pat would admit that his play at the end of regulation was not a great decision. It wasn’t the reason we lost the game. Maybe some here thought our coach was singling this play out and could be construed as a “throwing under the bus.” Supports the narrative of the usual suspects
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Jan 12, 2018 18:23:11 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Jan 12, 2018 18:23:11 GMT -5
Who among you listen to the post game show? Not normally, but I did against Navy
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Jan 12, 2018 18:48:57 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Jan 12, 2018 18:48:57 GMT -5
Friend of mine called from DC....PL director of officials was at game tonight....Carmody was jawing at him during game...wonder if their will be any repercussions.....CBC threw PB under bus after game..glad I was werkin Was there and not pretty
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Jan 12, 2018 18:59:38 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Jan 12, 2018 18:59:38 GMT -5
Definitely a few calls went the Middies way late in the game. Ugly game to watch neither team could throw the ball in the ocean. Copeland seems to have nice stroke from deep need to see more of him, team desperately needs to improve three point shooting. Charles with only 5 shots tonight need to find way to get him more shots. Green seems to have lost confidence in his shot thought for sure the way he started out would be on All Rookie team but he's been trending in the wrong direction for awhile now. 16 games in and we're still searching for a consistent rotation Niego has gone from starting to not playing at all. Personally I think not playing CN is a big mistake and I really believe in the freshmen class. There is a belief by the staff that others are playing better but I am not sure I buy that. I would sit the current guards, CG and PB for a game or two, talk to them all game and teach on the bench and make them believe they are great. Each move they make on the floor today demonstrates a lack of confidence and they are forcing the play. This team needs the staff to be firm but not overly critical. But then again I am a fan and not a coach.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:12:28 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2018 19:12:28 GMT -5
Players do not get confident by sitting for an entire game.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:16:55 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Jan 12, 2018 19:16:55 GMT -5
They both need a break and get their head straight so they can relax and play to their abilities. Each has talent to lead but decision making right now is suspect. Some time on the bench can get them relaxed if messaging is right. So hoops I normally agree with you but here we can agree to disagree
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Jan 12, 2018 19:18:52 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2018 19:18:52 GMT -5
Then who plays point for 40 minutes ?
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Jan 12, 2018 19:41:59 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Jan 12, 2018 19:41:59 GMT -5
We haven’t had true point guard play since Ireland, although AB is creating and delivering offense in this system. In this offense you need cutters, passers and shooters. Go with AB and Copeland in the backcourt and take your chances against BU.
We are halfway through the season and perhaps Copeland deserves a longer look with meaningful minutes. He delivers or he doesn’t but give him a good look in a game situation. Bring CN off the bench or move JG into the backcourt -honestly if you look closely at this group of freshmen they offer versatility in this offense and defense once they become confident and grow into their bodies.
You have enough talent on this current roster to win.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2018 19:43:56 GMT -5
Neither Butler nor Copeland have ever played point. You do not experiment at this vital position.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:51:33 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Jan 12, 2018 19:51:33 GMT -5
My point is unless we are facing tremendous pressure this offense doesn’t require a true point guard so you aren’t messing with a critical position. Not to say that Glenn Williams or Java Meade wouldn’t make a big difference in the way we would attack defenses, but that skill doesn’t exist on this roster. You know more about the game than I, and don’t mean to second guess, but With all due respect I might be right
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Jan 12, 2018 19:52:53 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Jan 12, 2018 19:52:53 GMT -5
And PB and CG aren’t PGs they are combo guards (1 1/2)
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Jan 12, 2018 20:04:56 GMT -5
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 12, 2018 20:04:56 GMT -5
Benzan was actually playing quite well through the Ireland trip, but I'm not sure Carmody has ever really bought into him as the lead guard. So when he decided after Ireland to abandon the idea of playing Benzan and Green together for any length of time, he gave the keys to Green - and, ironically, the play of both has declined since.
I like Caleb, and I think he is going to be very good. But I would like to see Pat get 25-30 minutes and run the show for the next four or five games with Green as the understudy, and for Carmody to settle on a 8-9 player rotation and stick with it. Assuming LeSann and Stevens are not in the picture for the time being, that leaves ten players to compete to be in that rotation - in my mind, Ziggy is the odd man out, if Copeland continues to impress.
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Jan 12, 2018 20:16:25 GMT -5
Post by dadominate on Jan 12, 2018 20:16:25 GMT -5
while green has been struggling mightily as of late, he is as pure of a point guard that we've had since pat doherty. he is not playing out of position, he's just not playing nearly as well as he was during the first handful of games this season. in time, he will be more than fine at hc, as he has all the tools to be a star and the best hc point guard since torey thomas.
i agree with woogray in that i would like to see benzan get more minutes again. i understand he is a limited threat from the perimeter (to put it nicely), but i don't get what carmody's problem has been with him from day one. he has seemed to have a very short leash and gets buried in the bench from time to time. benzan was clearly far more productive than thompson all last year (by literally any measurable metric) and he has been very good at times this year.
to that point, i often have a hard time understanding carmody's allocation of minutes and how quickly some players enter the doghouse. it seems as if he is a big believer in those that play well in practice play the game, and i get that to an extent, but it's tough to get in a groove in games with the frequent rotation into the depths of the end of the bench.
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Jan 12, 2018 22:15:11 GMT -5
Post by possum on Jan 12, 2018 22:15:11 GMT -5
3 point shooting by our guards not named Butler has been horrible. Since starting the season 8/15 in the first 4 games Green has shot 10/46 and is 1/18 in PL play, Benzan is at 23% for the season and Ziggy is at 29% since being put in the starting lineup. Unless and until the shooting improves I see no reason why anyone would play anything other than a zone against us. Anxious to see if Copeland can help in this area, looked good last night but need to see more before can make any judgment.
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Jan 12, 2018 22:41:12 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 12, 2018 22:41:12 GMT -5
I think Pat would admit that his play at the end of regulation was not a great decision. It wasn’t the reason we lost the game. Maybe some here thought our coach was singling this play out and could be construed as a “throwing under the bus.” Supports the narrative of the usual suspects Ah yes, the “usual suspects” who think we can do better than a coach with a .410 winning percentage at HC! How dare they!
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