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Post by purplehaze on Jan 23, 2018 13:17:49 GMT -5
Was tempted to put this on the 'state of athletics' thread but opted for a new one.
2nd semester classes started today - a period of 38 days from the end of exams. I consider this a negative when it comes to our athletic teams - some comments-thoughts:
= does anyone know of another college that starts the 2nd semester this late? Some have suggested that HC started this long break policy with 'savings on heat costs' as a major reason. that's crazy
= yes, it's nice to concentrate only on your sport for this time period, but after awhile it must get boring to wait around in your dorm (or hotel room) waiting for practice to start that day
= I have heard many coaches say something like 'it's good to get back in the routine of classes and practice/games'.
= football recruiting is impacted as we have to entertain recruits on weekends when the campus is empty (as an example, this past weekend)
= our bball and hockey teams play in front of (even sparser) crowds, and there remain very few home contests once the students return.
= Let's do what most colleges do, and start the 2nd semester around Jan 15th.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jan 23, 2018 13:27:34 GMT -5
I checked several other PL schools academic calendars the other day. Basically the same. Those that started classes last week finished finals earlier.
It’s the state of higher ed these days. Basically 5 weeks between semesters.
BTW FWIW - dorms are opened to teams shortly after New Years.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 23, 2018 13:59:06 GMT -5
My niece who an HC sophomore likes to say - "the more you pay, the less you go"
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Post by Tom on Jan 23, 2018 15:20:14 GMT -5
I checked several other PL schools academic calendars the other day. Basically the same. Those that started classes last week finished finals earlier. It’s the state of higher ed these days. Basically 5 weeks between semesters. BTW FWIW - dorms are opened to teams shortly after New Years. A few years ago, everything got pushed back when they added the week off at Columbus Day. The purpose of that was because of increased demand for service type projects (week long trips to Appalachians , etc) FInals wound up a week later, 2nd semester starts a week later and finals are a week later in the spring as well. The only thing that didn't get pushed back was graduation. This is why Cape Week no longer exists because of the shorter time between end of 2nd semester finals and graduation. Not saying plus or minus on how this affects the sports teams, just the story I heard about the change in the calendar |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 23, 2018 15:28:27 GMT -5
I checked several other PL schools academic calendars the other day. Basically the same. Those that started classes last week finished finals earlier. It’s the state of higher ed these days. Basically 5 weeks between semesters. BTW FWIW - dorms are opened to teams shortly after New Years. A few years ago, everything got pushed back when they added the week off at Columbus Day. The purpose of that was because of increased demand for service type projects (week long trips to Appalachians , etc) FInals wound up a week later, 2nd semester starts a week later and finals are a week later in the spring as well. The only thing that didn't get pushed back was graduation. This is why Cape Week no longer exists because of the shorter time between end of 2nd semester finals and graduation. Not saying plus or minus on how this affects the sports teams, just the story I heard about the change in the calendar Word on the street was that it had more to do with looking for an excuse to get rid of Cape Week than for service projects or any other reason. Graduation wasn't moving off of MDW Friday, so the only option was to bump classes back as far as they could. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 23, 2018 15:53:20 GMT -5
A few years ago, everything got pushed back when they added the week off at Columbus Day. The purpose of that was because of increased demand for service type projects (week long trips to Appalachians , etc) FInals wound up a week later, 2nd semester starts a week later and finals are a week later in the spring as well. The only thing that didn't get pushed back was graduation. This is why Cape Week no longer exists because of the shorter time between end of 2nd semester finals and graduation. Not saying plus or minus on how this affects the sports teams, just the story I heard about the change in the calendar was that it had more to do with looking for an excuse to get rid of Cape Week than for service projects or any other reason. Graduation wasn't moving off of MDW Friday, so the only option was to bump classes back as far as they could. Which street? Caro, Boyden, Clay, or College? |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 23, 2018 15:55:49 GMT -5
I suspect that Nathan Pine was the criminal mastermind behind this development.................
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 23, 2018 15:59:28 GMT -5
Word on the street was that it had more to do with looking for an excuse to get rid of Cape Week than for service projects or any other reason. Graduation wasn't moving off of MDW Friday, so the only option was to bump classes back as far as they could. Which street? Caro, Boyden, Clay, or College? Easy St. All of the others have been destroyed by TPTB. #BBC |
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Post by Tom on Jan 23, 2018 17:05:33 GMT -5
A few years ago, everything got pushed back when they added the week off at Columbus Day. The purpose of that was because of increased demand for service type projects (week long trips to Appalachians , etc) FInals wound up a week later, 2nd semester starts a week later and finals are a week later in the spring as well. The only thing that didn't get pushed back was graduation. This is why Cape Week no longer exists because of the shorter time between end of 2nd semester finals and graduation. Not saying plus or minus on how this affects the sports teams, just the story I heard about the change in the calendar Word on the street was that it had more to do with looking for an excuse to get rid of Cape Week than for service projects or any other reason. Graduation wasn't moving off of MDW Friday, so the only option was to bump classes back as far as they could. I remember hearing rumblings like that from disgruntled seniors that first year On the other hand the stated reason of service projects seems consistent with what TPTB are pushing nowadays. At the same time, I would guess that TPTB could care less about Cape Week. A week of off campus, not school affiliated activities aren't worth TPTB considering when adding service time, but also aren't worth the effort of looking for an excuse to do away with |
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Post by hcpride on Jan 24, 2018 8:30:56 GMT -5
Haze has a point.
I checked three similar schools only: Fordham, Villanova, and Providence. All start the 16th.
Don't know if that is the reason for our athletic woes or even if it is a contributory reason.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 24, 2018 9:44:07 GMT -5
finished surveying the other PL schools (exc army-navy)
Colgate - Lehigh - Lafayette started class this week
Bucknell - American - Loyola - BU started class last week
I doubt it will ever happen, but why doesn't the school ask the coaches and players if it is helpful to have this much down-time. Their replies would be interesting to hear
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 24, 2018 9:57:30 GMT -5
finished surveying other PL schools (except army-navy)
Bucknell - American - Loyola - BU started class last week
Colgate - Lehigh - Lafayette started this week
(so it's an even split)
They'd never do it but I would like to see our coaches and players for the winter sports asked about their preference on this matter.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 24, 2018 10:20:06 GMT -5
There's no good reason why if you start second semester this late you have a spring break before the NCAA pairings come out (that is, some time during the PL tournament). None.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 24, 2018 10:27:24 GMT -5
Guys, try to remember that these are all academic institutions first, at the risk of sounding like Fr. Brooks. Especially for the PL.
Athletics should NOT drive an academic calendar but accommodations are a consideration not the prime consideration.
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Jan 24, 2018 12:14:43 GMT -5
Cape "Week" still exists, albeit for 3-5 days instead of 5-7. Still enough time to have some fun, less time opportunity to get in trouble. If that was the intent of bumping all the academic dates back was to eliminate it entirely, it was fairly ineffective.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 24, 2018 12:32:49 GMT -5
Cape "Week" still exists, albeit for 3-5 days instead of 5-7. Still enough time to have some fun, less time opportunity to get in trouble. If that was the intent of bumping all the academic dates back was to eliminate it entirely, it was fairly ineffective. It's not what it was when people used to rent houses for a full week. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 24, 2018 12:38:18 GMT -5
Imagine not having Cape Week at all. Oh, yeah, somehow survived us not having it. None the worse for wear.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 24, 2018 12:47:57 GMT -5
Imagine not having Cape Week at all. Oh, yeah, somehow survived us not having it. None the worse for wear. Many of our class of 67 went to the cape the week between end of finals and graduation on June 7.. Memorable time. I recall how cold the ocean was compared to Breezy Point, Queens. I rode a motor scooter for the first, and last, time. |
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Jan 24, 2018 13:32:12 GMT -5
Cape "Week" still exists, albeit for 3-5 days instead of 5-7. Still enough time to have some fun, less time opportunity to get in trouble. If that was the intent of bumping all the academic dates back was to eliminate it entirely, it was fairly ineffective. It's not what it was when people used to rent houses for a full week. It's two nights of rent less, which means more money for booze on the Hill during Senior Week and Graduation Weekend. |
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Post by hcross22 on Jan 24, 2018 13:37:13 GMT -5
Imagine not having Cape Week at all. Oh, yeah, somehow survived us not having it. None the worse for wear. "None the worse for wear. " I'd strongly disagree with that. Had some fantastic times at Cape Week. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 24, 2018 13:45:18 GMT -5
It's not what it was when people used to rent houses for a full week. It's two nights of rent less, which means more money for booze on the Hill during Senior Week and Graduation Weekend. The point is that everyone used to rent houses for a full week, people from other classes would go, etc.. Now it's more difficult to rent houses for the partial week, some stay in hotels, fewer people go etc. and it's not the same as what it was. Not that it's something the school should hang its hat on (just like ruining the off campus environment), but the school was effective in limiting Cape Week as much as they possibly could. |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 24, 2018 14:42:08 GMT -5
Guys, try to remember that these are all academic institutions first, at the risk of sounding like Fr. Brooks. Especially for the PL. Athletics should NOT drive an academic calendar but accommodations are a consideration not the prime consideration. My comment was more about a vacation not having as much meaning if you have it 6 weeks after the previous one; especially when the previous one was real long. Happens that the PL tournament is in that short timespan. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 24, 2018 15:51:22 GMT -5
From what little I've heard Cape week is not what it was prior to the calendar change. Whether that was the goal or just a happy (to TPTB) added bonus to the real motivation for the change is a separate question.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 24, 2018 20:40:58 GMT -5
Our house on Caro made some serious $$$ one year during Cape Week. It was insanity, one of our housemates was the Budweiser rep on campus (doubt that position exists anymore either)...we brought down like 50 kegs in a U-Haul and had a couple parties where we stayed in Yarmouth (deemed "HC by the Sea")...students from all ovah New England beside HC came to our parties. I think we charged $5, maybe $10 a cup...hundreds of people at those parties. I don't think I've ever seen that amount of cash in one sitting since... I should have gone into the hospitality industry instead of education  .....never happen today for a variety of reasons. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 24, 2018 21:27:24 GMT -5
Wow—price gouging poor college students—shameful.
I bartended in Wheeler which dominated the campus social scene. Beer was 1 punch (could not sell for cash so we sold cards with 8 punch spots for $2.00) and mixed drinks 2 punches.
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.....never happen today for a variety of reasons.