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Post by hc87 on Feb 3, 2018 19:33:46 GMT -5
Methinks TPTB knew that there would be significant blowback (i.e. loss of $$$ given to the school) if the Crusader was dropped entirely.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 3, 2018 19:40:27 GMT -5
Ya think?!!  |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 3, 2018 19:45:19 GMT -5
Hate to disappoint many of you but the nickname isn't going anywhere. Nice call, 94 |
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Post by HC92 on Feb 3, 2018 19:51:37 GMT -5
Could be worse. Pretty predictable this is where this was headed from the start. Going to load up on old school Crusader merchandise before it’s too late.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 3, 2018 21:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by joutsHC77 on Feb 4, 2018 9:09:45 GMT -5
Methinks TPTB knew that there would be significant blowback (i.e. loss of $$$ given to the school) if the Crusader was dropped entirely. Big Time!!!! Money talks and at least those Social Justice Warriors realized this!!! |
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Post by Ray on Feb 4, 2018 9:45:29 GMT -5
You know, by all accounts, the discussion on campus related to this was a lot more respectful than the one on this board. I'm thrilled the name is staying, but honestly embarrassed to be lumped in with the side that's throwing around barbs about SJWs and snowflakes.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 4, 2018 9:54:37 GMT -5
I am interested to see what they do with the imagery. They could opt to not have any sort of mascot and keep the image of HC and a shield. Or they could keep that obnoxious and somewhat-heathenish sun/eyeball/Gerudo theme.
More fun? They could have a Caped Crusader looking like a purple knock-off batman, just to have somebody running around on the sidelines or on a shirt. To appease the left-leaners, we could have an ACLU lawyer in a cheap suit and a briefcase waving around subpoenas and FOIA requests lol.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2018 10:58:45 GMT -5
I am interested to see what they do with the imagery. They could opt to not have any sort of mascot and keep the image of HC and a shield. Or they could keep that obnoxious and somewhat-heathenish sun/eyeball/Gerudo theme. More fun? They could have a Caped Crusader looking like a purple knock-off batman, just to have somebody running around on the sidelines or on a shirt. To appease the left-leaners, we could have an ACLU lawyer in a cheap suit and a briefcase waving around subpoenas and FOIA requests lol. The Caped Crusader is about the best we can hope for. I'm an optimist, but a realistic one, but it appears that the Crusader that we know and love, and that stands for something, is going away. Replacing our current Crusader with the Caped Crusader would be like the Fightin' Irish mascot being replaced by an Irish-American attorney fighting for his clients rights. Yes it's still the Fightin' Irish but it's not the same thing. |
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Post by alum on Feb 4, 2018 11:53:00 GMT -5
You know, for a bunch of guys who are, for the most part, not exactly inexperienced kids, there is an amazing lack of understanding of what compromises it takes to run a complex organization. First, for reasons that made no sense, you were convinced that the fix was in. Now, having had the College go the way you (and I) wanted, instead of being appreciative and recognizing that sometimes small compromises are necessary, you are looking to pick a fight about how the mascot will be depicted in the future. The Board and the President did the right thing once. Why be convinced that they won't do it again?
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Post by Ray on Feb 4, 2018 12:01:53 GMT -5
I am interested to see what they do with the imagery. They could opt to not have any sort of mascot and keep the image of HC and a shield. Or they could keep that obnoxious and somewhat-heathenish sun/eyeball/Gerudo theme. More fun? They could have a Caped Crusader looking like a purple knock-off batman, just to have somebody running around on the sidelines or on a shirt. To appease the left-leaners, we could have an ACLU lawyer in a cheap suit and a briefcase waving around subpoenas and FOIA requests lol. The Caped Crusader is about the best we can hope for. I'm an optimist, but a realistic one, but it appears that the Crusader that we know and love, and that stands for something, is going away. Come back in off the ledge, KY. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2018 12:07:24 GMT -5
Alum— I hope you’re not referring to me. I’d be happy to match my knowledge and experience about what it takes to run a complex organization with anyone’s.
Do you not think that the potential loss of the current mascot could affect the overall image of the Holy Cross Crusader? Do you think that a “Caped Crusader” (just an example) conveys the same brand messages as the current medieval knight? I’m not one of those who repeatedly state their beliefs that TPTB are always clueless, incompetent, and malevolent—but I do think finding an appropriate new depiction of the Crusader is a formidable challenge
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Post by Ray on Feb 4, 2018 12:08:16 GMT -5
KY, you're assuming facts not in evidence.
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Post by Ray on Feb 4, 2018 12:09:24 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2018 12:13:02 GMT -5
KY, you're assuming facts not in evidence. How so? |
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 4, 2018 13:05:23 GMT -5
You know, for a bunch of guys who are, for the most part, not exactly inexperienced kids, there is an amazing lack of understanding of what compromises it takes to run a complex organization. First, for reasons that made no sense, you were convinced that the fix was in. Now, having had the College go the way you (and I) wanted, instead of being appreciative and recognizing that sometimes small compromises are necessary, you are looking to pick a fight about how the mascot will be depicted in the future. The Board and the President did the right thing once. Why be convinced that they won't do it again? Thank you. Perfectly said. |
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Post by alum on Feb 5, 2018 8:32:37 GMT -5
Alum— I hope you’re not referring to me. I’d be happy to match my knowledge and experience about what it takes to run a complex organization with anyone’s. Do you not think that the potential loss of the current mascot could affect the overall image of the Holy Cross Crusader? Do you think that a “Caped Crusader” (just an example) conveys the same brand messages as the current medieval knight? I’m not one of those who repeatedly state their beliefs that TPTB are always clueless, incompetent, and malevolent—but I do think finding an appropriate new depiction of the Crusader is a formidable challenge Not aimed directly at you, KY. I have only ever worked in small operations and have only volunteered in small non profit community organizations, so I don't purport to have an expert's understanding of how these things go down. Nevertheless, I agree with Ray that you are assuming facts not in evidence. The College has given you no reason to think that they will not act reasonably with regard to the depiction of the Crusader. Over the past 10 plus years, the College has been able to manage criticism from all sides. They gave Chris Matthews an honorary degree, allowed the Vagina Monologues to be performed on campus, and allowed a group fighting teen pregnancy to rent space even though Planned Parenthood was a participant in the conference. For those decisions, they received rebukes from a major donor and former board chair (Millard) and the local bishop. They then went the other way and refused to take the name of a slave selling Jesuit off of a dorm. It is unlikely that there would have been much alumni criticism if they had simply renamed Mulledy. They took on the Crusader discussion because it is their job to do so. They acted carefully and made a reasoned decision. Why jump to the conclusion that the next debate will be any less thoughtful now? One more thing, and it is is really about the thread about the newspaper name. Some have suggested that the administration should have become involved in that. I have to say that if we believe in independent journalism, it needs to start at high school and college newspapers. There cannot be heavy handed control over such publications. Such decisions need to be made, even if they are wrong, by the students involved. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 5, 2018 8:34:51 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Feb 5, 2018 17:18:22 GMT -5
HC already ditched the logo drawn like a real knight on a horse in favor of a cartoon drawing. Not that I minded, that knight from a design standpoint IMHO was pretty sad. It shouldn't take that much to mess with the cartoon drawings a little.
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Post by Tom on Feb 7, 2018 12:16:26 GMT -5
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Post by HCFC45 on Feb 15, 2018 7:54:12 GMT -5
This was posted previously in the General Section, Non-Sports Discussion...The Crusader thread.... |
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