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Post by rgs318 on Feb 11, 2018 11:59:12 GMT -5
Massey sees this as a tossup with Army a 1 point favorite (62-61) with a 51%chance of wining. Will we see #600?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 11, 2018 12:39:34 GMT -5
Larger question: Will Gibbons ever see #600 while coaching at HC? Hope it comes soon as you know he won't "retire" from Holy Cross short of that number.
I am not sure what has happened as he had such great success ante-schollie and you almost had to assume with schollies he would have had even greater success and that has just not happened. Has he just had a succession of poor assistants? I doubt that the admissions folks have tightened the screws now that schollies are in place.
He's a very personable guy and he's local so he gets the Worcester community and the local schools invested in the program. But on the court, the teams are just not getting it done. It doesn't seem like he's getting bad players, so is it just poor preparation? Bad in-game coaching?
Haven't a clue and he's purple through and through but just not getting it done and maybe both he and Holy Cross need a change.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 11, 2018 14:12:49 GMT -5
During the glory days, Gibbons had a great recruiter (Greenberg), then a good one (Hodgdon), on the staff. Not sure anybody has measured up in the dozen or so years since, but once everybody else in the league started offering scholarships, the field was bound to level pretty quickly anyway.
He's not going anywhere soon, unless - as somebody suggested elsewhere - they carve out a position upstairs for him.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 11, 2018 15:09:53 GMT -5
'it doesn't seem he's getting bad players' - well, that's a safe statement. Let's re-phrase it, and ask if he's getting players that can occasionally compete for a league championship ? It seems to me that the answer is 'no'. Wouldn't you think he's had enough time to develop a 5 person senior class that has 4 playing regularly in the top 7 ?
Th-Waheed is a player, as is Manis. Other than those two, it seems he's 'getting very average players' who are losing more than winning in a lousy league. He's the head coach and he's the one who has to make the case to potential recruits that will make a difference and revive this program. I'm afraid his next incoming class is more of the same. Hey, as long as he has this lifetime deal because he's so beloved in the community, I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 13, 2018 0:16:45 GMT -5
Larger question: Will Gibbons ever see #600 while coaching at HC? Hope it comes soon as you know he won't "retire" from Holy Cross short of that number. I am not sure what has happened as he had such great success ante-schollie and you almost had to assume with schollies he would have had even greater success and that has just not happened. Has he just had a succession of poor assistants? Especially since "ante ante schollie" the program (i.e. while the program was in the MAAC) it was in its heyday; you'd figure they'd return to that level. I think the women's game has evolved a lot since those days; the bigs (other than the elite programs who were doing it already) started talking women's basketball a lot more seriously. HC lost too much ground and perhaps would have lost that ground anyway. So I guess the bottom line is: the game may have passed Gibbons by but (to at least the same degree) has passed Holy Cross by. Just hiring a new person might get the program going in terms of the Patriot League, but outside of that, not appreciably.
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Post by lou on Feb 13, 2018 9:19:13 GMT -5
I've stated before, two elite players in your starting lineup should be enough for a lot more wins then we get. The rest of the team may be average at best, but good enough to win. CBG has had a good run, but time for a change in leadership
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 13, 2018 9:31:49 GMT -5
tim, by the way, we're talking about the PL when many if us criticize this staff, not the higher echelons of D.1. Is the school fed up with this middle-bottom league ranking every year ?
I'm not a fan of BG but want to see him get no.600. tmro's game is big as thereafter 3 of our last 4 are on the road and we'll be decided underdogs, esp vs. bucknell and american. It might come down to the home game vs. colgate (they are winless in the league)
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Post by timholycross on Feb 14, 2018 8:09:01 GMT -5
tim, by the way, we're talking about the PL when many if us criticize this staff, not the higher echelons of D.1. Is the school fed up with this middle-bottom league ranking every year ? I'm not a fan of BG but want to see him get no.600. tmro's game is big as thereafter 3 of our last 4 are on the road and we'll be decided underdogs, esp vs. bucknell and american. It might come down to the home game vs. colgate (they are winless in the league) I just think that there's a mentality amongst more than a few that "we'll get a new coach, jump in the DeLorean, and it will be 1990 again" ; don't think that's happening. But that doesn't mean it isn't time to make some changes. By the way, does BG still browbeat the refs like he used to? Always wondered how he didn't get t'd up more.
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Post by HC13 on Feb 14, 2018 19:51:05 GMT -5
Closely contested first half, Army 31-27. Th-Waheed leads w/ 8, Manis 5, stats fairly even.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 14, 2018 19:54:33 GMT -5
HC has trailed most of the way. Good news...no foul trouble for HC
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Post by HC13 on Feb 14, 2018 20:28:37 GMT -5
Teams traded baskets, Army 47-41 after 3. Several army players in foul trouble, HC needs to continue to make their foul shots
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Post by HC13 on Feb 14, 2018 20:48:15 GMT -5
Head to another loss, inability to score is incredible, Army 56-47 under 3 to go.
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Post by HC13 on Feb 14, 2018 21:03:34 GMT -5
Final AWP 66-57.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 14, 2018 21:12:10 GMT -5
Th-Waheed 2 of 11 from the field - Manis 2 of 9 - We never led in the game We are an incredible 1-7 at home in the league.
They don't play for this guy anymore - let's all admit it - very sad to see this after 33 years but it's time to move on.
Next two games are on the road vs. Bucknell and American - can't imagine how we will be competitive.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 14, 2018 21:16:44 GMT -5
I am afraid you are right. HC feel behind early and just seems to be going through the motions after that.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2018 21:24:04 GMT -5
I have felt, since the schedule was released, that the OOC schedule was set up to ensure CBG got his 600 wins this year. Its possible he might not.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 14, 2018 21:27:38 GMT -5
Sadly, IMO you are correct in that observation.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 14, 2018 21:30:30 GMT -5
HC hosting Colgate on Feb 24 might be the last chance this year for #600. I am praying they can win one of these last 3 games before the PL tournament. (Thanks, WG)
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 14, 2018 21:50:36 GMT -5
HC at Colgate on Feb 24 might be the last chance this year for #600. I am praying they can win one of these last 3 games before the PL tournament. Actually, that game is at the Hart - Senior Day.
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Post by lou on Feb 14, 2018 22:39:37 GMT -5
Besides being a nice round number, is there any other significance in the HC record books for a coach winning 600?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 14, 2018 22:54:11 GMT -5
Attendance at the Hart tonight -- 889.
That's more than attended the Men's game at Christl.
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Post by lou on Feb 14, 2018 23:03:19 GMT -5
Attendance at the Hart tonight -- 889. That's more than attended the Men's game at Christl. Been to many games at Christl, including tonight, and just occurred to me there wasn't a single cadet there other than cheerleaders and a few band members
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 14, 2018 23:05:42 GMT -5
Attendance at the Hart tonight -- 889. That's more than attended the Men's game at Christl. There was not 889 people. Maybe 300 at the most. Was not there but watched on the PL Network. Looked empty?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 14, 2018 23:11:29 GMT -5
Attendance at the Hart tonight -- 889. That's more than attended the Men's game at Christl. Been to many games at Christl, including tonight, and just occurred to me there wasn't a single cadet there other than cheerleaders and a few band members As someone who attends both the HC Men's Hockey and HC Men's Basketball game at West Point annually, I always found it strange that Army draws so well for hockey but not at all for basketball. I wouldn't say the hockey program is THAT much more relevant there nationally than hoops. Nor is it that much more of a winning program the last 10 years. Army basketball was absolutely HORRIBLE for a long stretch until about 2007 and they've been middle of the pack on a pretty regular basis since then. Maybe it would take a PL championship or title game appearance to move the needle? It's not like either the Hudson Valley or Metro NY are college hockey hotbeds, it's just that Army manages to get an extremely enthusiastic, non-Cadet, non-alumni, non-active military crowd that go to seemingly EVERY home hockey game. Families, youth groups, locals looking for cheap sports entertainment -- yet they can't duplicate this for hoops for whatever reason. Plenty of youth basketball leagues in a 40 mile radius, Scout troops, fire departments, etc. that you would think could fill seats at a historic military institution....
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Post by gks on Feb 14, 2018 23:12:55 GMT -5
Lots of blame should go coaches way. The players should not be let off the hook here. That was a dead team tonight and shame on them if they've quit on the coach. They should be embarrassed by the way they play at times.
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