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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 19, 2018 21:12:33 GMT -5
 East facade, looking to the NW..  North and west facades. Road into Wheeler and O'Neill  West and soith facade. Two way road to/from Hogan.  East facade, looking to the SW. For alum, there is an elevated jogging track. HC changed architects. The new architect is Cannon Design, a larger and more national firm than the previous architect. ADNP may have had a hand in the change, as Cannon has done work at UMd and UMBC. |
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Post by hc87 on Mar 19, 2018 22:10:18 GMT -5
Give me a Quonset Hut any day  |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 20, 2018 6:02:06 GMT -5
Give me a Quonset Hut any day It will be shipped to you FOB. _________________________ Cost is up to $30 million. The social gathering spot, the artifact of the 'living room' that students had as their highest priority a decade ago, seems to be gone. The Office of Public Safety is being moved to this building. From other projects the architect has done.  Indoor jogging track at Sidwell Friends in Washington. Basketball court below. Former POTUS would sometimes be courtside.  Suspended jogging track University of Louisville ![]()
www.cannondesign.com/assets/16.jpg^^^ Image won't load for some reason. Glass wall, student recreation center Univ of Colorado Boulder. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 20, 2018 11:40:13 GMT -5
Have the new timelines been established for groundbreaking and completion of the recreation center.
Will it retain the Park Smith name?
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Post by rickii on Mar 20, 2018 13:54:37 GMT -5
phreak -
basement + 2 levels ? Any info on lay out per each level ?
BTW, that Colorado facility looks amazing !
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 20, 2018 14:31:30 GMT -5
Have the architects allowed for sufficient safe spaces on every level of the structure?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 20, 2018 14:45:53 GMT -5
Have the new timelines been established for groundbreaking and completion of the recreation center. Will it retain the Park Smith name? The groundbreaking will be scheduled when they've raised sufficient funds. Assuming they have in hand at least $15 million of the total, the Luths IIRC gave $7 million, and Park Smith's first wine auction yielded $7-8 million. Park Smith auctioned more wine recently, which sold for about $5 million (which is not net). www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/2017/magnificent-wines-from-park-b-smith-collection-n09708.htmlI don't know where those most recent sale proceeds^^^ will be directed. ___________________________________________ This is a much more elaborate building than I expected, as there are three levels, not one. The jogging track is a tenth of a mile, which may be approximate. From the renderings, the Office of Public Safety seems to be on the SW corner. I haven't found a square footage, which would tell you something about the lower level, which is largely built into the slope of the hill. There are basketball courts (unknown number) and not clear whether one or more could be used for tennis, or volleyball, etc. Showers and locker rooms. Rooms for exercise and conditioning. I am not sure the hoops courts at the current field house (the ones running north/south) are regulation size. The north south dimension of the field house is under 100 feet according to Google. The Quonset hut' part of the field house seems to be around 26,000 square feet. If I divide $30 million by a construction cost of $350 a square foot, the square footage of the new field house would be about 85,000 square feet, more than 3x the size of the Quonset hut. If the students are lucky, they would be without a field house / rec center for one academic year. The new building should take 15-18 months to construct.. |
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Post by joutsHC77 on Mar 20, 2018 17:42:14 GMT -5
Have the architects allowed for sufficient safe spaces on every level of the structure? They better make sure there are secure safe places for all the snowflakes on campus!! |
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Post by hc811215 on Mar 21, 2018 7:36:56 GMT -5
It looks like it may be expanding down the hill from the fieldhouse site and taking part of Wheeler beach!!! I wish they had a shot showing how far it will sit from Wheeler.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2018 8:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by hc811215 on Mar 21, 2018 10:50:55 GMT -5
At least it looks like the road between the old fieldhouse and Wheeler will be removed and the two way entrance/exit will be on the city View side of the new field house. Bad enough having the building so close to a dorm, but would hate to have traffic diverted right under the dorm windows.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2018 15:42:31 GMT -5
I did some re-calculating.
The existing Quonset hut is about 29,000 sq ft. That excludes all the additions,, bumpputs, that exist on on all but the east side.
The new student recreation center looks to be about 48,000 square feet per level, x two levels (entyry level and upper level). The lower level, guessing, is 19,000 sq ft. That gives a nice round number of 125,000 sq ft.
Four basketball courts with generous endcourt and sidecourt space would be about 24,000 square feet.
If you go to Google Map Street View, drive up College St., to just past the entrance to Wheeler. The NW corner of the rec center would roughly aligns with the midpoint between the second and third brick fence columns. Or put another way, it aligns with the fourth tree going up the hill from the road into Wheeler. That alignment would put the NE corner about halfway up the stairs between Wheeler and the field house.
When the snow melts, I'll get my transit and be more precise.
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Post by DiMarz on Mar 22, 2018 8:14:36 GMT -5
Why doesn't the college use City View as an entrance/exit roadway to Luth Parking lots? Years ago that was done..I use to park on City View for the hoops games...I know now there is residential parking only on City View.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2018 9:49:03 GMT -5
Why doesn't the college use City View as an entrance/exit roadway to Luth Parking lots? Years ago that was done..I use to park on City View for the hoops games...I know now there is residential parking only on City View. The college now owns most of the lots on City View. Only #8, #11, and #20 City View are in private hands, and the homeowner lives in only one of those three. Google Street View is from October 2017, and there are few cars to be seen. To me, that indicates the college is probably not renting the houses it now owns to students. It may be that making City View into a through street would be an inducement for these three property owners to sell to the college. And when, some day, HC builds a parking garage for the Hart, and uses City View as an entrance, that could be the final straw for any holdout.. |
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Post by Tom on Mar 22, 2018 15:16:17 GMT -5
It's not that long ago that they used to open the City View gate after games to facilitate people leaving after basketball games. My guess is that the homeowners on City View wouldn't be thrilled to have their street used as a main entrance to the college.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 22, 2018 15:26:07 GMT -5
In situations of this type , what kind of offers does one typically make to the homeowners? Do we offer them 10% more than the "fair value" or +25% or +50%? The homeowners have to know how much we want their property---do they get blinded by greed and expect that the offers will keep increasing?
Funny story--- I believe Japan does not have laws of "eminent domain" . One aged farmer refused to sell at any price his small plot that was in the middle of the land intended for Narita Airport (I think it was Narita). So, Japan built the airport around his property and twice each day had to shut down operations on the runway near his property so he could drive his little tractor to and from his field.....
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 22, 2018 16:27:41 GMT -5
There were a few really BIG demonstrations to stop the airport from taking his land. In Japan, farmers are more important than planes...far more important.
Based on past town/gown relationship issues, I don't think we would see any demonstrations on behalf of HC getting them and to expand.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2018 16:48:33 GMT -5
In situations of this type , what kind of offers does one typically make to the homeowners? Do we offer them 10% more than the "fair value" or +25% or +50%? The homeowners have to know how much we want their property---do they get blinded by greed and expect that the offers will keep increasing? IMO, HC has paid a modest premium on its purchases of homes on College Hill, at least in recent years. Rarely, if ever, were these homes on the open market. This suggests to me that HC has a standing offer on homes that it is interested in. Three or four houses on Caro, the three houses on City View, vacant lots on Kendig, and any all property still in private hands on the west side of College between Clay and Kendig. Two years ago, the college passed on a packaged sale of about 8? properties on Caro, Boynton, aqnd Clay. My sense was that the asking price was too rich, and the properties too distant. Plus, the college's purchase of most of the Caro houses was spurred, in part, by concern over how safe those houses were in the event of a fire. Several of the packaged houses were quite new construction. |
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