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Post by Tom on Apr 23, 2018 14:54:01 GMT -5
Two random responses
1) This is the 21st century. And it is very 21st century behavior to find all kinds of things offensive and feel a need to remove them from existence so that no one is offended
2) Even though I did not participate in a series of wars several centuries ago. I am a Crusader. In a similar vein, there are many people who couldn't get into a decent college and are Eagles, even though they can't fly. Furthermore, people who went (go) to U Cal Santa Cruz are banana slugs
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 23, 2018 18:35:02 GMT -5
LOL Well done, Tom.
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Post by Chu Chu on Apr 24, 2018 12:28:58 GMT -5
And remember, things could be worse. We could be Billikens, Anteaters or Retrievers!
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Post by td128 on Apr 29, 2018 6:10:24 GMT -5
A longstanding and now retired member of the Jesuit community recently shared this comment in regard to Professor Liew: "What a knucklehead. He was brought on against the recommendation of most members of the Jesuit community at Holy Cross."
Put that on a low simmer and stir periodically.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 29, 2018 6:15:26 GMT -5
Let me quote myself on another thread:
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Post by clmetsfan on Apr 30, 2018 15:58:03 GMT -5
A longstanding and now retired member of the Jesuit community recently shared this comment in regard to Professor Liew: "What a knucklehead. He was brought on against the recommendation of most members of the Jesuit community at Holy Cross."Put that on a low simmer and stir periodically. Simmer and stir it as much as you want; an anonymous quote that mentions other nameless people still tastes pretty bland and pointless.
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Post by HCFC45 on May 5, 2018 14:18:25 GMT -5
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Post by JoeHC on May 7, 2018 0:38:52 GMT -5
1. Thank goodness they don't share mailing addresses with every kook that asked. Even as an alumnus! 2. Google is quite handy if one REALLY wanted to reach members of the board. Does the MLBPA Alumni Advisory Board give out contact info? Does the AFA? 3. I'm sure if the author sent a letter to the College addressed to the board, they'd 'file' it on his behalf right away.
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Post by alum on May 7, 2018 6:26:15 GMT -5
1. Thank goodness they don't share mailing addresses with every kook that asked. Even as an alumnus! 2. Google is quite handy if one REALLY wanted to reach members of the board. Does the MLBPA Alumni Advisory Board give out contact info? Does the AFA? 3. I'm sure if the author sent a letter to the College addressed to the board, they'd 'file' it on his behalf right away. The names of the Board members are available on the College's website and their contact information is available in the online Alumni Directory. According to said Directory, the author of the letter has registered there. I am guessing he is more interested in complaining than actually writing to the Board members. The non alumni members all have easily found addresses based upon the information on the list of the Trustees
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Post by sader1970 on May 8, 2018 6:03:34 GMT -5
Alum, you apparently have somehow missed that many, many people either don't know or don't want to put the effort in on things like on-line phone books or the alumni directory. I can't tell you how many classmates have asked me for contact info for another classmate despite not only having access to the on line alumni directory but a link to it on our class website.
i also can't tell you how many times people have told me later that they weren't able to call me because they didn't know or misplaced my home phone number despite it being a public number and they know the unique spelling of my last name and the town I live in.
Just part art of our culture, I guess.
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Post by rgs318 on May 8, 2018 7:23:31 GMT -5
BTW, I got a sheet of Holy Cross stickers for my computer and I-pad. A small gesture, but it is yet another way to get the hame out there and to sell the brand.
And, Now have sponsored a local school for a book prize (and am the backup for two others. That is an easy one and some of you may want to see if there is a prize being offered at local schools you feel are possible sources of talent for HC. Books are giver to te student (since school libraries seem to be shrinking, or disappearing, rapidly.) (The cost is $150 for a three year sponsorship.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 8, 2018 9:07:30 GMT -5
BTW, I got a sheet of Holy Cross stickers for my computer and I-pad. A small gesture, but it is yet another way to get the hame out there and to sell the brand. And, Now have sponsored a local school for a book prize (and am the backup for two others. That is an easy one and some of you may want to see if there is a prize being offered at local schools you feel are possible sources of talent for HC. Books are giver to te student (since school libraries seem to be shrinking, or disappearing, rapidly.) (The cost is $150 for a three year sponsorship.) I sponsored a school several years ago but have not heard back as far as renewal goes. Perhaps my sponsorship has not expired--I'll have to check and also consider additional schools. Thanks for the reminder about this fine program.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 8, 2018 10:49:38 GMT -5
Here's a link to a page with details on the Holy Cross Book Prize program. Contact information and schools in need of a sponsor are here. Not sure why, (perhaps becasue they have 60+ schools in need of a sponsor), but they are not adding new schools in the progarm at this time. www.holycross.edu/alumni/holy-cross-book-prize
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Post by Tom on May 8, 2018 10:50:36 GMT -5
BTW, I got a sheet of Holy Cross stickers for my computer and I-pad. A small gesture, but it is yet another way to get the hame out there and to sell the brand. And, Now have sponsored a local school for a book prize (and am the backup for two others. That is an easy one and some of you may want to see if there is a prize being offered at local schools you feel are possible sources of talent for HC. Books are giver to te student (since school libraries seem to be shrinking, or disappearing, rapidly.) (The cost is $150 for a three year sponsorship.) I sponsored a school several years ago but have not heard back as far as renewal goes. Perhaps my sponsorship has not expired--I'll have to check and also consider additional schools. Thanks for the reminder about this fine program. Sometimes the alumni association is a little behind in this stuff. Also, if someone has been doing this for a while, it is much easier to keep sending a bill instead of asking if they want to re-up for another three years
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Post by Tom on May 8, 2018 10:53:04 GMT -5
Here's a link to a page with details on the Holy Cross Book Prize program. Contact information and schools in need of a sponsor are here. Not sure why, (perhaps becasue they have 60+ schools in need of a sponsor), but they are not adding new schools in the progarm at this time. www.holycross.edu/alumni/holy-cross-book-prizeIf someone wants to sign up for a school without a book prize that is not on the list, I'm sure the school will let you. That list is either "targeted" schools that HC wants its name at for some reason or schools that had sponsors and no longer do
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Post by CHC8485 on May 8, 2018 10:59:00 GMT -5
Tom,
Directly from the page I linked to [my emphasis added]:
Now maybe they are just trying to discourage new sponsorships with so many open, but it certainly discourages those who would like to try to sponsor a new school.
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Post by Tom on Jun 29, 2018 9:48:38 GMT -5
Thought I'd share and this seemed the most appropriate thread.
I gave money to the school this year (as usual squeezing in under deadline). I gave less money than last year.
I got a note from the school thanking me for sharing my concerns but reassuring me that the school is still staying true to it's Jesuit identity. This came the same day as the "Thank You" note/tax receipt. Although I responded to the school's on-line survey several months ago, I have never commented about the Crusader decision, the decision to remove knight imagery, or the Pr Liew controversy to any school official. Based on the timing, I assume that the letter was a response to my reduced gift.
I am assuming that there were enough reduced gifts this year, that they had this generic form letter ready to send out almost immediately. Just thought it was interesting
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 29, 2018 11:41:08 GMT -5
I received what I presume is a similar email, Tom, after not supporting the school this year.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 29, 2018 11:54:36 GMT -5
All of the folks I contacted gave again this year to the fund. I do not know if they chose to reduce their gift. However, at least one redirected his gift in part because of both the Crusader controversy and the ongoing stories about the religious studies department. Neither was of special interest to the person involved. He did, BTW, have difficulty making his gift as he wished and almost did not give. That needs to be noted so that giving online (especially as the deadline nears) can be made more user friendly.
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Post by Tom on Jun 29, 2018 12:31:36 GMT -5
For what it's worth, both my gift and the response were via conventional USPS mail
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 29, 2018 12:56:40 GMT -5
Tom, I assume you mean the letter from Fr. Campbell, the VP of "Mission" and '87 alum who I've met a couple or three times. I have been trying to track down who got this letter and why. It is curious because in all my communications about the Crusader and Prof. Liew, Fr. Campbell was not one of the ones I contacted and yet he is the one who generically responded.
I thought it might have gone out to people who were on President's Council yet had not donated enough to qualify this year. I thought it might have been sent out to people who generally voiced an opinion about the things that happened this year. If it was either, in my opinion (we already know what that's worth to the folks atop Mt. St. James) Fr. Boroughs should have been the author of this obvious form letter.
So far, none of my Classmates have gotten this letter including my 2 Class Chairs (I am Class Correspondent and thought there was an outside chance that's why I got it).
It seems that things are chaotic at HC right now as with about 24 hours left, it looks like the College is going to miss the magic 50% alumni participation rate and it just might be slowly sinking in that there will be financial ramifications for the decisions they've made. They had enough warning that this was going to happen but they seemed to think they knew better.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 29, 2018 13:01:07 GMT -5
P.S. My small gift(s) this year was made months ago before Crusader/Liew in memory of an older alum who was a regular at the Hart/Fitton and to defray the costs of the HC Insurance Professional group that I was leading and I informed the Advancement staff that I was not donating any more and why. They understood. You would have thought Fr. Campbell's letter would have gone out earlier to try to convince me to change my mind - not that it would have.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 29, 2018 13:16:56 GMT -5
I just spoke with someone at HC about this year's Holy Cross Fund donations. We are not done yet, and giving is up in the total amount. HC has raised about $170,000 more than last year, but the participation rate has dropped from just about 50% last year to a current 41.8% (as of yesterday). We may not hit our annual Fund goal because this year it was raised to $5,200,000 and as of yesterday we have about $4,700,000. There is a chance HC can get to $5,000,000 but 50% participation is a long shot. I thought it might be unwise to raise the target amount in light of some of what has happened in the past year, but optimism prevailed. We'll see if the final figures fall short and by how much. In the meantime, if you still want to make a gift, PLEASE do so ASAP. If you are choosing not to donate, please let TPTB know why so they can improve their pitch for 2018-19. The Fund is one of the key ingredients for HC's budget and our annual financial picture.
GO CROSS GO
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 29, 2018 15:15:18 GMT -5
67, a Crusader should not be on such a high horse! I had discussed the issue of the change of the tax laws with HC staff and my Class Chairs and considered this an additional factor that would probably affect the outcome with or without Crusader/Liew. Pretty sure I posted this as well on Crossports. I don't discount that factor. But I've done surveys of Classmates and know that 1. about 25% said they would not donate or would reduce their donations either because of Crusader, Liew or both. 2. about 8% approved of the Crusader change and said they would increase their giving. If you think that there has not been an adverse effect on fundraising at Holy Cross, you should speak to the people in Advancement who have been put in an unenviable position and doing a remarkable job. My Class has already exceeded 50% and approaching and might reach 55% but our goal was 60% which we are not going to reach in the next day under the most optimistic scenarios. Even among those who support the decisions that were made, many feel the communication was botched. Father Campbell's note is too little, too late and from the wrong person. And, I respectfully disagree that reduction/elimination of donations is the wrong thing to do. The withholding of donations is not the problem, it is a symptom of the problem. The Administration's attention will be a little more focused and perhaps will actually be forced to listen. Now, excuse me, as I ask for someone to help me get off my high horse.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 29, 2018 15:52:13 GMT -5
The impact of the news tax laws was mentioned as a factor by HC staff. They are aware of that possibility, but at this point they do not know what role, if any, the changes in the tax laws may have played. Remember, more money has already been raised this year than was raised a year ago. The bar was raised by staff at the Cross and is something of an "artificial" standard that, for a number of reasons, may have ben set a bit too high (reference comes from just watching yet again the film "A Bridge Too Far). When all is said and done, IMHO, HC will still be among national leaders in the percentage of alumni who give to their alma mater.
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