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Post by nhteamer on Mar 28, 2018 13:05:04 GMT -5
Now on the Drudgereport so only seen by about 50 million.
#laughingstock
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Post by ncaam on Mar 28, 2018 13:20:22 GMT -5
No wonder apps are down. Wasn’t Ann after all.
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Post by lou on Mar 28, 2018 13:29:34 GMT -5
Not sure exactly what Ms. Reilly '18 is up to here. The work she is citing is the volume "They Were All Together in One Place?: Toward Minority Biblical Criticism." which the professor was involved in editing in 2009 and contributed a chapter.
Ms Reilly goes on to say in her article...
Professor Liew’s unconventional readings of Scripture has brought a new theological perspective to Holy Cross. The position and prestige which accompany an endowed chair in Religious Studies testify to the esteem in which his work is held by the College’s administration and academic community. He continues to be held up as an example and a bold successor to the learned and discerning tradition of our Catholic and Jesuit College of the Holy Cross.
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 13:32:17 GMT -5
I'm just wondering if an individual like this would be found at Boston College, Gonzaga, Notre Dame, Villanova, Providence, Fordham or Xavier. And as to Georgetown, I'd guess yes. Google "Cardinal Newman Society" and the name of whichever Catholic college interests you. This group keeps careful track of what it views as deviation from Catholic orthodoxy on college campuses. Invariably, like so much of the conservative media, it involves asking questions about who is having sex with whom. None of the schools on your list pass their muster. There was once upon a time a Holy Cross Cardinal Newman Society constantly raging about HC and its failure to make sure no one talked about sex (especially same sex relationships,) contraception, and vaginas. All colleges have public relations issues like the ones HC has had recently. Online press is unrelenting for a short period of time and then it moves on to the next scandal. The good thing to know is that most high school kids really don't care that much. The College will pay some search engine optimization firm to push these references off the first page of Google search results.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Mar 28, 2018 13:48:36 GMT -5
Now on the Drudgereport so only seen by about 50 million. #laughingstock Not good publicity at all, devastating...
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 28, 2018 13:50:36 GMT -5
Now on the Drudgereport so only seen by about 50 million. #laughingstock But alum says it's okay because all colleges have PR issues, high school students don't care, and the college will use a SEO firm to help solve the problem. Pathetic.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 28, 2018 13:54:19 GMT -5
If Liew is indeed tenured, how long has he been at HC ? What school did he come from ? Has the school been hiding his ideology from the public (and HC family) view, until breitbart just exposed it ? He has a PhD from Vanderbilt, the same school as the PhD of the Jesuit chair of the religious studies department. Prior to HC, he taught at two Protestant theological schools.
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 14:09:59 GMT -5
Now on the Drudgereport so only seen by about 50 million. #laughingstock But alum says it's okay because all colleges have PR issues, high school students don't care, and the college will use a SEO firm to help solve the problem. Pathetic. Apparently you don't know that most college graduates with critical thinking skills look at a challenging situation and immediately begin trying to figure out how to address it rather than just sitting around wallowing in self pity, complaining, and making suggestions which are completely untenable. If you don't realize that, maybe things really are as bad as you say.
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Mar 28, 2018 14:36:49 GMT -5
But alum says it's okay because all colleges have PR issues, high school students don't care, and the college will use a SEO firm to help solve the problem. Pathetic. Apparently you don't know that most college graduates with critical thinking skills look at a challenging situation and immediately begin trying to figure out how to address it rather than just sitting around wallowing in self pity, complaining, and making suggestions which are completely untenable. If you don't realize that, maybe things really are as bad as you say. ‘Challenging situation’? There is nothing challenging about this apostasy. Embarrassing, disgraceful, disturbing.....I will grant you those adjectives. This Froot Loop ‘professor’ can go fly a kite as far as I’m concerned. I hold the BoT and Father Burroughs responsible as this disgrace is taking place on their watch. Challenging......ha!
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 28, 2018 14:44:21 GMT -5
What would the process look like to get a change at the top and remove FrB? I move for a vote of no confidence (although now that I am no longer a donor my opinion matters little) in his leadership.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 28, 2018 14:44:35 GMT -5
On the bright side if you are the kid accepted to Holy Cross and Fordham and you have a nagging concern HC might be a bit too Catholic (given the name and the crusader moniker), this might be just the reassuring nudge you need to commit to Holy Cross. Perhaps HC ought to publicize the Breitbart article with that in mind. Sort of a "we're not very Catholic" switcheroo publicity campaign.
And of course the bumper sticker: #Collegeoftheholycrossdresser A fresh re-branding. No other school can say that. Certainly not Fordham.
That's all I've got on the possible positive outcomes.
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 14:51:32 GMT -5
Apparently you don't know that most college graduates with critical thinking skills look at a challenging situation and immediately begin trying to figure out how to address it rather than just sitting around wallowing in self pity, complaining, and making suggestions which are completely untenable. If you don't realize that, maybe things really are as bad as you say. ‘Challenging situation’? There is nothing challenging about this apostasy. Embarrassing, disgraceful, disturbing.....I will grant you those adjectives. I hold the BoT and Father Burroughs responsible as this disgrace is taking place on their watch. Challenging......ha! Really, apostasy? You demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the role of a religious studies professor in a college, Catholic or otherwise. It is not his job to tend to the spiritual needs of the student body. It is his job to teach about the scholarship of the New Testament (which seems to be his principal area of study.) I would assume that, teaching at a Catholic college with a student body made up of many Catholics, he would engage his students with discussions of traditional Catholic teaching but that is only from an academic point of view. The College's requires one religion and one philosophy course which is more than was required when I was a student in the early 1980's and the only requirement was to complete a major. In light of its Catholic and Jesuit traditions, such requirements are appropriate but the classes are taken to make the student more broadly educated. Tending to the spiritual life of the students is the job of the Chaplain's office. (Oh, a lay woman alumna runs that in case you were wondering.) Edit: I see that after I clicked "quote" on hiltonhead's post, he edited it to describe the professor as a "fruit loop." Now we know.
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Post by sader98 on Mar 28, 2018 14:53:48 GMT -5
I would feel better if the next communication from the school wasn’t asking for money but rather acknowledging the discontent, disavowing the professor, reaffirming Catholic leadership, (re)- earning the faith of alums (and likely some current students) etc, etc, etc.
Maybe even saying that they misjudged the situation around the mascot, are pressing pause and re-examining in light of the backlash...
Won’t happen, but one can dream.
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Mar 28, 2018 15:03:35 GMT -5
‘Challenging situation’? There is nothing challenging about this apostasy. Embarrassing, disgraceful, disturbing.....I will grant you those adjectives. I hold the BoT and Father Burroughs responsible as this disgrace is taking place on their watch. Challenging......ha! Really, apostasy? You demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the role of a religious studies professor in a college, Catholic or otherwise. It is not his job to tend to the spiritual needs of the student body. It is his job to teach about the scholarship of the New Testament (which seems to be his principal area of study.) I would assume that, teaching at a Catholic college with a student body made up of many Catholics, he would engage his students with discussions of traditional Catholic teaching but that is only from an academic point of view. The College's requires one religion and one philosophy course which is more than was required when I was a student in the early 1980's and the only requirement was to complete a major. In light of its Catholic and Jesuit traditions, such requirements are appropriate but the classes are taken to make the student more broadly educated. Tending to the spiritual life of the students is the job of the Chaplain's office. (Oh, a lay woman alumna runs that in case you were wondering.) Edit: I see that after I clicked "quote" on hiltonhead's post, he edited it to describe the professor as a "fruit loop." Now we know. [ Scholarship? Yes Alum. You have well established your sad trademark. We all ‘know’.
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 15:06:20 GMT -5
Really, apostasy? You demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the role of a religious studies professor in a college, Catholic or otherwise. It is not his job to tend to the spiritual needs of the student body. It is his job to teach about the scholarship of the New Testament (which seems to be his principal area of study.) I would assume that, teaching at a Catholic college with a student body made up of many Catholics, he would engage his students with discussions of traditional Catholic teaching but that is only from an academic point of view. The College's requires one religion and one philosophy course which is more than was required when I was a student in the early 1980's and the only requirement was to complete a major. In light of its Catholic and Jesuit traditions, such requirements are appropriate but the classes are taken to make the student more broadly educated. Tending to the spiritual life of the students is the job of the Chaplain's office. (Oh, a lay woman alumna runs that in case you were wondering.) Edit: I see that after I clicked "quote" on hiltonhead's post, he edited it to describe the professor as a "fruit loop." Now we know. [ Scholarship? Yes Alum. You have well established your sad trademark. We all ‘know’. Am I a "fruit loop" too?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 28, 2018 15:13:53 GMT -5
[ Scholarship? Yes Alum. You have well established your sad trademark. We all ‘know’. Am I a "fruit loop" too? If you're having identity issues, don't be too proud to seek counseling.
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 28, 2018 15:54:19 GMT -5
If you're having identity issues, don't be too proud to seek counseling. Let's try to have a modicum of respect for our fellow graduates here. Alum is presenting a considered, well-meaning assessment of this situation, it may be different than yours but I would think, as Catholics, which most of us are, you would be above resorting to this name calling. Many of the posters clearly do not have any identity issues as they evidently never look in the mirror.
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Mar 28, 2018 16:36:07 GMT -5
If you're having identity issues, don't be too proud to seek counseling. Let's try to have a modicum of respect for our fellow graduates here. Alum is presenting a considered, well-meaning assessment of this situation, it may be different than yours but I would think, as Catholics, which most of us are, you would be above resorting to this name calling. Many of the posters clearly do not have any identity issues as they evidently never look in the mirror. If I offended Alum, I apologize. I will admit that I am offended by the characterization of My Lord and Savior as a ‘Drag King’ with ‘Queer Desires’. I find no scholarly purpose in these statements and I too want a public statement from Burroughs and/or the BoT as to their stance on this matter. I find it indefensible but Alum and others. To each their own.....suffice it to say
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 28, 2018 16:50:33 GMT -5
Alum I'm not ready to call you a 'fruitloop', but can I ask you a question ? Assuming you're a Christian, what do Holy Week and Easter mean to you ?
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 28, 2018 16:55:53 GMT -5
Not to speak for alum...but, how about forgiveness and redemption?
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Post by rickii on Mar 28, 2018 17:18:43 GMT -5
I'm just wondering if an individual like this would be found at Boston College, Gonzaga, Notre Dame, Villanova, Providence, Fordham or Xavier. And as to Georgetown, I'd guess yes. Google "Cardinal Newman Society" and the name of whichever Catholic college interests you. This group keeps careful track of what it views as deviation from Catholic orthodoxy on college campuses. Invariably, like so much of the conservative media, it involves asking questions about who is having sex with whom. None of the schools on your list pass their muster. There was once upon a time a Holy Cross Cardinal Newman Society constantly raging about HC and its failure to make sure no one talked about sex (especially same sex relationships,) contraception, and vaginas. All colleges have public relations issues like the ones HC has had recently. Online press is unrelenting for a short period of time and then it moves on to the next scandal. The good thing to know is that most high school kids really don't care that much. The College will pay some search engine optimization firm to push these references off the first page of Google search results. FWIW, I perused the Cardinal Newman website and didn't spot ANYTHING as revolting as this garbage nor ANY individual referenced as disgusting as this boob. My guess is this is so revolting even they may pass on addressing it - OR - assign it some sort of special category in a quasi Hall of Shame.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 28, 2018 17:31:29 GMT -5
If you're having identity issues, don't be too proud to seek counseling. Let's try to have a modicum of respect for our fellow graduates here. Alum is presenting a considered, well-meaning assessment of this situation, it may be different than yours but I would think, as Catholics, which most of us are, you would be above resorting to this name calling. Many of the posters clearly do not have any identity issues as they evidently never look in the mirror. Did you miss the smiley face on my post? I intended no malice
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 28, 2018 18:20:38 GMT -5
I think a lot of these "professors" publish this garbage to get noticed for grants. Going off the reservation and being strange helps get their name out there in academia. Bad (or sick) guy!
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 28, 2018 19:28:11 GMT -5
As a retired professor, I have to agree in some cases with crusader12. However, some of this is also done to provoke student thought and to challenge students to present a legitimate counter argument. From the limited sources I have seen, I have a hard time believing this was an example of the latter. If there are really some in the Holy Cross family who support such nonsense, that would be truly sad.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 28, 2018 21:11:37 GMT -5
"Christ is a fraud," would be provocative to that point, but not necessarily scholarly. While I don't think the professor should be censored per se, I think that such antagonizing opinions could bring about admonishment from the college, particularly given the religious association of the school. I think similar statements like, "Saddam Hussein had some pretty good ideas to keep a fragmented society in line," or, "Duterte has a great plan to stop crime," are a bit closer to semi-informed opinion, rather than paraphrase that "your God likes to dress up like a woman," or "He thinks about his father when he is sexually penetrated." It's vulgar almost for the sake of vulgarity... and I don't think it stirs up the critical thinking we might hope for.
Let's say it this way: if the college has to make changes and consider references to the "Crusader" too offensive to continue with it (either in name or imagery), then how can they remain silent when even more provocative statements are made about Jesus? This is really just a twisted situation.
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