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Post by actualfactual on Apr 1, 2018 17:15:43 GMT -5
I am happy for the boys, the program and coach D but really, D needs to let the game flow and come to him offensively. They won 8-0 today. The picture on the team website associated with the win is somebody bunting! As a manager, you've misjudged the game badly if you sacrificed twice to get to a 2-0 lead early in the game, as we did, and win by eight runs. D may be a credit to HC and among the best coaches at the school, but I'm afraid that says more about the state of HC athletics than him. A strong PL start is great but there is room for improvement in HC baseball this year along all dimensions, including the coaching decisions.
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Post by ncaam on Apr 1, 2018 17:21:30 GMT -5
I am happy for the boys, the program and coach D but really, D needs to let the game flow and come to him offensively. They won 8-0 today. The picture on the team website associated with the win is somebody bunting! As a manager, you've misjudged the game badly if you sacrificed twice to get to a 2-0 lead early in the game, as we did, and win by eight runs. D may be a credit to HC and among the best coaches at the school, but I'm afraid that says more about the state of HC athletics than him. A strong PL start is great but there is room for improvement in HC baseball this year along all dimensions, including the coaching decisions. It's a disadvantage to bunt so much no doubt, but the disadvantage is not staggering. Coach DiC is an excellent recruiter with the smallest PL budget iirc. Best coach at the college imho by a mile. I hope to travel again to the NCAA regionals in May/June. GO CROSS GO!
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Post by bison137 on Apr 1, 2018 18:59:27 GMT -5
Coach DiC is an excellent recruiter with the smallest PL budget iirc. Best coach at the college imho by a mile. Looking at the most recent numbers, HC spent a little more than Bucknell on baseball, but the difference is small. Fwiw, Lafayette spends the most.
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Post by ncaam on Apr 1, 2018 19:02:14 GMT -5
Could you give me the numbers of the last let’s say five years?
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Post by bison137 on Apr 1, 2018 23:27:55 GMT -5
Keogh received the win in the second game despite pitching only 3.1 innings. College must have very different rules to qualify for a win. Is this new ? The GOHC.com site in its game recap gave Keogh mention, but never included Dvorak who threw 5.2 scoreless and hitless innings,( 2 walks.) No, same scoring rules - except for an occasional exception for midweek games when a team announces pre-game that it will use numerous pitchers for 1-2 innings each. HC apparently messed up the box score and will likely correct the win by tomorrow. Note: In the scheduled 7 inning games, i.e. the first games of regular season double-headers, the starting pitcher only has to go 4 innings to qualify for a win. I see that the HC site has corrected the error. Dvorak is now properly credited with the win.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 2, 2018 6:55:05 GMT -5
It is good that CROSSPORTS watches out for them to get such errors fixed.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 2, 2018 8:36:21 GMT -5
I am happy for the boys, the program and coach D but really, D needs to let the game flow and come to him offensively. They won 8-0 today. The picture on the team website associated with the win is somebody bunting! As a manager, you've misjudged the game badly if you sacrificed twice to get to a 2-0 lead early in the game, as we did, and win by eight runs. D may be a credit to HC and among the best coaches at the school, but I'm afraid that says more about the state of HC athletics than him. A strong PL start is great but there is room for improvement in HC baseball this year along all dimensions, including the coaching decisions. I’m not a fan of the bunts either but baseball is about the only positive thing going at HC right now so coach gets a pass from me until everything else is going so well that this issue moves somewhere near the top of my list of HC-related gripes.
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Post by lou on Apr 2, 2018 8:41:11 GMT -5
Twins (I think) upset when batter bunted for a hit against the shifted infield, because you know the bunters team was down 7 runs, and although it's ok to deploy the shift up 7 it's not ok to bunt against it down 7. It's going to be a long season...
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Post by ncaam on Apr 2, 2018 8:44:42 GMT -5
Twins suck; HC winning so far in league with young team. As 92 suggests it’s the only game in town on the Hill at the moment.
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Post by ncaam on Apr 2, 2018 8:45:15 GMT -5
Twins suck; HC winning so far in league with young team. As 92 suggests it’s the only game in town on the Hill at the moment.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 2, 2018 8:53:35 GMT -5
I have to take the side of Coach DiC when it comes to the sac bunt - if you peruse other college 'play by play' recaps of games, most coaches use the sf regularly. this year, at approx the halfway mark in the season, among PL teams, Army has 43 sb's in 27 games, Lafayette has 34 also in 27 games, and HC is way down the list with 16 sb's in 21 games - He knows what he's doing
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Post by hchoops on Apr 2, 2018 9:00:12 GMT -5
just because some PL teams use it does not necessarily mean it is the best baseball decision How many times di the attempted bunt fail ?
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Post by bison137 on Apr 2, 2018 10:56:07 GMT -5
just because some PL teams use it does not necessarily mean it is the best baseball decision How many times di the attempted bunt fail ? True. Every statistical analysis has shown that the sacrifice bunt is almost always a losing strategy. That is true even if it was always done successfully - which it isn't. Way too many coaches use it and take their teams out of big innings. As Earl Weaver figured out early in his career, it is better to have a runner of first with no outs than a runner on second with one out. Also better to have men on first and second with no outs than runners on second and third with one out. Etc. (Of course in a league where the pitcher hits, a sacrifice by the pitcher may make sense.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 2, 2018 11:23:11 GMT -5
Amen, brother.
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Post by hc6774 on Apr 2, 2018 11:49:00 GMT -5
just because some PL teams use it does not necessarily mean it is the best baseball decision How many times di the attempted bunt fail ? True. Every statistical analysis has shown that the sacrifice bunt is almost always a losing strategy. That is true even if it was always done successfully - which it isn't. Way too many coaches use it and take their teams out of big innings. As Earl Weaver figured out early in his career, it is better to have a runner of first with no outs than a runner on second with one out. Also better to have men on first and second with no outs than runners on second and third with one out. Etc. (Of course in a league where the pitcher hits, a sacrifice by the pitcher may make sense.) agree with Earl Weave comment but do these apply to all skill levels, hitting & fielding? PL skill level is somewhere south of minor leagues but north of legion ball. I wonder about bunting with top/middle of your line up especially early... but I believe the coaches know about these stats what about the shifts we see in the majors??
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 2, 2018 12:04:03 GMT -5
In PL play Crusaders are batting .294 while holding opponents below the Mendoza Line at .184. Of course we know that OBP and slugging average are better measures.....but batting average is quick to calculate from box scores and in this case tells a great story.
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Post by ncaam on Apr 2, 2018 12:16:33 GMT -5
My big worry is the number of times we have been picked.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 2, 2018 13:58:11 GMT -5
just because some PL teams use it does not necessarily mean it is the best baseball decision How many times di the attempted bunt fail ? True. Every statistical analysis has shown that the sacrifice bunt is almost always a losing strategy. That is true even if it was always done successfully - which it isn't. Way too many coaches use it and take their teams out of big innings. As Earl Weaver figured out early in his career, it is better to have a runner of first with no outs than a runner on second with one out. Also better to have men on first and second with no outs than runners on second and third with one out. Etc. (Of course in a league where the pitcher hits, a sacrifice by the pitcher may make sense.) Such a cheery consensus . . . 1. Anther viewpoint. Fwiw, with runners on first and second and nobody out, moving the runners over with a sac gives you a better chance to score one or two runs than not bunting, though you reduce a bit your chances for scoring three+. You also may have a slightly better chance of scoring exactly one run with a runner on second and one out, rather than with a runner on first and nobody out - so when scoring just one run is crucial, the sac bunt is often defensible in that situation. www.athleticsnation.com/2013/8/7/4590940/a-statistical-defense-sort-of-of-the-sac-bunt2. Whether or not to bunt also depends on the situation, the batter, the pitcher, who's on deck, who's warm and ready in the pen, the baserunner's other options,etc. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/so-about-all-those-bunts/3. Sometimes attempted bunts fail. Also worth noting that converting them into outs also fails sometimes. Major league teams track this stat, and maybe the Holy Cross staff does, too. 4. As for "early" Earl Weaver . . . The Baltimore Orioles won three consecutive pennants, 1969-1971. Here's how they ranked, among 24 ML teams, in sac bunts (AL rank in parens): 1969 - 7th (2nd) 1970 - 13th (7th) 1971 - 7th (2nd) The Orioles also won the AL East in 1973 and 1974, with the DH in place - they ranked 4th and 3rd, respectively in sac bunts in the league those years. So in his first six full seasons, Weaver won three pennants and two conference titles, while bunting at a higher than average rate.
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Post by hc6774 on Apr 3, 2018 6:52:12 GMT -5
Beyond the usual stats, how much scouting/preparation do coaches do for PL opponents?
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Post by alum on Apr 3, 2018 7:26:01 GMT -5
just because some PL teams use it does not necessarily mean it is the best baseball decision How many times di the attempted bunt fail ? True. Every statistical analysis has shown that the sacrifice bunt is almost always a losing strategy. That is true even if it was always done successfully - which it isn't. Way too many coaches use it and take their teams out of big innings. As Earl Weaver figured out early in his career, it is better to have a runner of first with no outs than a runner on second with one out. Also better to have men on first and second with no outs than runners on second and third with one out. Etc. ( Of course in a league where the pitcher hits, a sacrifice by the pitcher may make sense.)Sox are in Miami for interleague play. Brian Johnson, who started last night, played his college ball at University of Florida was such a good hitter (over .400 one year) that he played DH or 1B when not pitching. Remy and O'Brien went on and on about his hitting anticipating his first at bat. He came up with one out and a runner on first so Cora had him sacrifice bunt. He popped the first one up and out of play and failed to get two more down, fouling off both and striking out. Should have let him hit. I like bunting, I like teaching bunting, but sadly, it just doesn't make a lot of sense in most instances.
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Post by sader81 on Apr 3, 2018 8:30:29 GMT -5
just because some PL teams use it does not necessarily mean it is the best baseball decision How many times di the attempted bunt fail ? True. Every statistical analysis has shown that the sacrifice bunt is almost always a losing strategy. That is true even if it was always done successfully - which it isn't. Way too many coaches use it and take their teams out of big innings. As Earl Weaver figured out early in his career, it is better to have a runner of first with no outs than a runner on second with one out. Also better to have men on first and second with no outs than runners on second and third with one out. Etc. (Of course in a league where the pitcher hits, a sacrifice by the pitcher may make sense.) How many times do you see a double play when there is no bunt? As for Earl Weaver, a classic. . . . .
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 3, 2018 8:48:19 GMT -5
That is one sensational video!!!
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Post by alum on Apr 3, 2018 9:20:50 GMT -5
That is one sensational video!!! Tremendous. I would like to have replay on whether the ump touched him. From what we have, we cannot overturn the call on the field
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Post by ncaam on Apr 3, 2018 9:26:36 GMT -5
Lasorda too was a classic google lasorda and king man and lasorda and bevacqua. Lasorda said Bevacqua couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. Post not for under 17
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 3, 2018 9:53:01 GMT -5
We're moving way from the thread topic - but I saw a very interesting report on espn, which basically said that the days of these entertaining confrontations between managers and umps are a 'thing of the past', and have been replaced by a boring 3-5 minute period with umps looking at a replay - Very good point and it does take away from the game -
no more earl weaver-like shows - I miss them
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