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Post by Tom on May 4, 2018 10:11:59 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on May 4, 2018 10:29:50 GMT -5
Par for the course in today's universities. The snowflakes will likely succeed over time because (with very few exceptions like Univ. of Chicago) college administrations 1) lack spine and 2) are ideological soulmates with the perpetually offended.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 4, 2018 11:08:44 GMT -5
To be accurate, the GW nickname is the Colonials, the mascot is a pygmy hippopotamus, now apparently called a river hippopotamus. A bronze statue of the mascot has been on campus for years at a prominent location.
By all accounts, students are happy with the mascot.
As for the nickname, the District of Columbia was never a colony, though Congress, particularly GOP-controlled Congresses, treat it as such. Because of this, I am of the opinion that the nickname should remain.
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Post by ncaam on May 4, 2018 11:15:20 GMT -5
George Washington and the 13 colonies go together. But the yahoos who are trying to take the nickname down probably donât even know that. First the nickname, then the name of the school since George Washington was a slaveholder. Same sort of tortured logic is going to take college of the holy cross down someday, in my humble opinion, hopefully not in my lifetimeđ„
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Post by purplehaze on May 4, 2018 11:52:04 GMT -5
What the heck is going on these days at college campuses ? Now GW is at it - from today's news:
More than 200 George Washington University students have signed a petition calling for the school to adopt a new mascot and nickname because the current moniker, Colonials, is "extremely offensive."
"The historically, negatively-charged figure of Colonials has too deep a connection to colonization and glorifies the act of systemic oppression," the petition reads.
It suggests alternative nicknames such as "Hippos" or "Riverhorses."
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Post by alum on May 4, 2018 11:52:55 GMT -5
I'm a little perplexed here. The mascot is the Colonials, not the Colonialists. George Washington and his army were the "colonizees" not the "colonizers." Sometimes you just have to be willing to explain what things really mean.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 4, 2018 11:59:57 GMT -5
Everything is offensive. Everything is racist.
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Post by hcpride on May 4, 2018 13:07:16 GMT -5
Nobody has ever accused the snowflakes of logic, reading comprehension, or historical knowledge. The team moniker/mascot, as alum notes, is the Colonials.
Apparently one offended and vocabulary-challenged simpleton thinks the moniker/mascot is 'colonizers', or at least a word spelled uncomfortably close to the word 'colonizers' which in turns remind that very same simpleton of a different word spelled entirely differently; 'oppression'. And that is enough nowadays to melt a snowflake: Some students are asking to change a longtime nickname for George Washington University, arguing that âColonialsâ is offensive because it is too evocative of colonization and oppression.
Makes about as much sense as the snowflake contagion Crusader kerfuffle. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 4, 2018 13:18:21 GMT -5
To be accurate, the GW nickname is the Colonials, the mascot is a pygmy hippopotamus, now apparently called a river hippopotamus. A bronze statue of the mascot has been on campus for years at a prominent location. By all accounts, students are happy with the mascot. As for the nickname, the District of Columbia was never a colony, though Congress, particularly GOP-controlled Congresses, treat it as such. Because of this, I am of the opinion that the nickname should remain. Wouldn't the George Washington Hippos also be offensive? The overweight people at GW would be up in arms. Also, don't Hippos kill many people of color in parts of Africa? Seems worse than Colonials. |
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Post by dadominate on May 4, 2018 13:32:22 GMT -5
To be accurate, the GW nickname is the Colonials, the mascot is a pygmy hippopotamus, now apparently called a river hippopotamus. A bronze statue of the mascot has been on campus for years at a prominent location. By all accounts, students are happy with the mascot. As for the nickname, the District of Columbia was never a colony, though Congress, particularly GOP-controlled Congresses, treat it as such. Because of this, I am of the opinion that the nickname should remain. Wouldn't the George Washington Hippos also be offensive? The overweight people at GW would be up in arms. Also, don't Hippos kill many people of color in parts of Africa? Seems worse than Colonials. you once said it best, sov, that it looks like we're headed in the direction that all mascots will be fruits and vegetables. although even that might not be acceptable to the social jihadists, since many people have allergies to fruits and vegetables and would clearly be offended by such insensitivity. others just don't like fruits and vegetables, and people of color are often responsible for picking and processing them, which would make this racist on top of offensive and would violate safe spaces for open dialogue. |
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Post by Tom on May 4, 2018 13:46:11 GMT -5
To be accurate, the GW nickname is the Colonials, the mascot is a pygmy hippopotamus, now apparently called a river hippopotamus. A bronze statue of the mascot has been on campus for years at a prominent location. By all accounts, students are happy with the mascot. As for the nickname, the District of Columbia was never a colony, though Congress, particularly GOP-controlled Congresses, treat it as such. Because of this, I am of the opinion that the nickname should remain. Wouldn't the George Washington Hippos also be offensive? The overweight people at GW would be up in arms. Also, don't Hippos kill many people of color in parts of Africa? Seems worse than Colonials. Fat shaming is wrong and insensitive per the Lehigh field hockey team As I said at the beginning of the thread, why do some people think the quest to find things to be offended at will never end |
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Post by Xmassader on May 4, 2018 20:33:59 GMT -5
purplehazeâwerenât the original residents of the 13 colonies âColonialsâ ? And werenât many of them emigrating from the UK to avoid religious intolerance (if not oppression) (e.g. Puritans) rather than to instigate âsystematic oppressionâ? I suppose that one could argue that, after the Colonials became âStatesmenâ, they were involved in âsystematic oppressionâ of Native Americans but I donât know if that was the case when they were still colonists or âColonialsâ. In any case, perhaps one of our poster historians can enlighten us.
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Post by rgs318 on May 4, 2018 20:53:31 GMT -5
To be accurate, the GW nickname is the Colonials, the mascot is a pygmy hippopotamus, now apparently called a river hippopotamus. A bronze statue of the mascot has been on campus for years at a prominent location. By all accounts, students are happy with the mascot. As for the nickname, the District of Columbia was never a colony, though Congress, particularly GOP-controlled Congresses, treat it as such. Because of this, I am of the opinion that the nickname should remain. If so, I wonder why nothing was said when Democrats controlled both houses and the white House? Perhaps because politics play little or no role here - except for those who cannot see anything except in political terms? |
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Post by ncaam on May 5, 2018 5:29:50 GMT -5
More than 200 George Washington University students have signed a petition calling for the school to adopt a new mascot and nickname because the current moniker, Colonials, is "extremely offensive."
"The historically, negatively-charged figure of Colonials has too deep a connection to colonization and glorifies the act of systemic oppression," the petition reads.
It suggests alternative nicknames such as "Hippos" or "Riverhorses."
The Colonials mascot was adopted in 1926 to honor the school's namesake, George Washington, and is intended as a reference to colonial America and the Continental Army.
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Post by rgs318 on May 5, 2018 5:37:58 GMT -5
OK, how about the "Continentals?"
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 5, 2018 7:05:59 GMT -5
We see now a competition between activists at various schools as far as taking down historic mascots, no matter how ludicrous the foundation for the initiative. We'll see more and more of this as the do-gooders on each campus begin to fear that they'll miss out on all the fun. It's absolutely insane and further proof that our society is doomed.
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Post by rf1 on May 5, 2018 8:02:34 GMT -5
Wasn't George Washington a slave owner?
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Post by rgs318 on May 5, 2018 8:36:51 GMT -5
Yes, but he freed all of his slaves upon his death (manumission).
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Post by sader1970 on May 5, 2018 12:50:32 GMT -5
A cynic might say that since he couldnât take them with him, he had no further use of them and it was easy to free them after his death.
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Post by rgs318 on May 5, 2018 13:46:11 GMT -5
Well, they might say that, but only if that cynic did not understand history. His wife and family could certainly have benefitted financially from them.
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Post by sader1970 on May 5, 2018 14:29:03 GMT -5
Yeah, but the same cynic would say he didnât need them in the afterlife either. You probably believe he was âthe father of our countryâ too!đ
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Post by rgs318 on May 5, 2018 15:43:54 GMT -5
No, with his MANY illegitimate children (including the last Royal Governor of NJ), Ben Franklin probably has that title wrapped up.   |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 6, 2018 10:19:58 GMT -5
Those who settled in the colonies were not known as colonials, but colonists. Prior to American independence, the colonists who were living in the colonies were categorized as subjects.
According to Wiki, "Before 1949, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the English and later British Crown was, based on common law, an English and later British subject. To be a subject required only that a person be born in any territory under the sovereignty of the Crown."
In any event, 'colonial', in common usage, is an adjective: mascots and nicknames* should never be adjectives. Clearly, those at GW nearly a century ago would have benefited from a proper liberal arts education.
* Colors are adjectives, but finding an appropriate mascot to match a color is most difficult.
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As for 'Continentals', the Continental army, established by the Continental Congress, commanded by Washington, was made up of regiments of the line, and the entire army was referred to as the Continental line. The Continental line represented an amalgamation of individual state lines, e.g., the Massachusetts line, the Virginia line.
Continentals would be an appropriate shorthand term for soldiers who were members of the Continental line.
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Post by rgs318 on May 6, 2018 10:25:54 GMT -5
lol  |
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Post by ncaam on May 6, 2018 10:38:35 GMT -5
Colonial can also be a noun
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