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Post by crusader1970 on May 18, 2018 5:53:57 GMT -5
Yes we will. and again, I will not judge him on his 2018 and 2019 results...but let's pump the brakes guys....this guy hasn't done anything yet. .....at HC.
However, he has a track record of turning programs around......and I think we all can see why.
Now, of course, the question remains "Will the same formula work at HC"?
I think there is a strong chance IT WILL.
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Post by Ignutz on May 19, 2018 6:16:06 GMT -5
Yes we will. and again, I will not judge him on his 2018 and 2019 results...but let's pump the brakes guys....this guy hasn't done anything yet. .....at HC.
However, he has a track record of turning programs around......and I think we all can see why.
Now, of course, the question remains "Will the same formula work at HC"?
I think there is a strong chance IT WILL.
The root of my optimism is this: We haven't really been stinking up the joint over the past few years. My complaint with CTG teams is that they had difficulty holding a lead and/or coming up with the big play to seal a win. Looking at last year's results, I'd list Lafayette and Dartmouth as "should have won" and UConn, Lehigh and Monmouth as "could have won". If a new head coach, a new system, and a NEW ATTITUDE can can grab the "should'ves" and even one of the "could'ves", your 4-7 record becomes 7-4. Even without looking at the world through purple-tinted glasses, we weren't that far away last year, and I expect we'll see good things in the upcoming campaign. (That, and the fact that I think that Justin Bruno is going to be a stud.)
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Post by hc87 on May 19, 2018 17:00:45 GMT -5
The 2018 and 2019 OOC schedules are very daunting (which I like)...I'd be shocked if we go ovah .500 overall in either year...no indictment of Chesney...the 2017 season was set up for success but just blew up for whatevah reason....we are pretty much starting anew in 2018.
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Post by jflare on Jun 3, 2018 10:40:59 GMT -5
Chesney is an upgrade to Gilmore who was a lead stone for HC football....we shall see how much....it will be a very interesting next 5 or so years for HC football....could very well be our last 5 years of HC football Last 5 years of HC football ? ........ Not a chance. Like I have said many times before. Holy Cross football has been ongoing for about 125 years. There is no way that is going to change now in 2018 or by 2023. The program has had many ups and downs over those 125 years. It will continue to do so. We can expect the program to get much better at the FCS level soon. The program is an inherent part of the College's culture and cannot and will not be derailed by a period of mixed performance. You must analyze things like this from a much broader and historical perspective. Yes the college football landscape has changed but at the FCS level we are exactly positioned correctly and will be successful again. Our program is not changing and with Chesney at the helm we may be close to better results during his tenure. Yes we will be beating Yale, Colgate, Harvard and Dartmouth again as we have for the last 125years.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 3, 2018 11:09:08 GMT -5
There is also a $95m building that argues we will not be dropping football
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 3, 2018 16:24:48 GMT -5
Chesney is an upgrade to Gilmore who was a lead stone for HC football....we shall see how much....it will be a very interesting next 5 or so years for HC football....could very well be our last 5 years of HC football Last 5 years of HC football ? ........ Not a chance. Like I have said many times before. Holy Cross football has been ongoing for about 125 years. There is no way that is going to change now in 2018 or by 2023. The program has had many ups and downs over those 125 years. It will continue to do so. We can expect the program to get much better at the FCS level soon. The program is an inherent part of the College's culture and cannot and will not be derailed by a period of mixed performance. You must analyze things like this from a much broader and historical perspective. Yes the college football landscape has changed but at the FCS level we are exactly positioned correctly and will be successful again. Our program is not changing and with Chesney at the helm we may be close to better results during his tenure. Yes we will be beating Yale, Colgate, Harvard and Dartmouth again as we have for the last 125years. I am not as confident that 125 years of history and tradition counts as much anymore at Holy Cross. I think the $95M Luth bought some time but don't take the long term future of football for granted. Has the Administration/BoT fallen into the trap of so many CEOs and Boards where short term results trump (sorry) the longer term road to progress? History and tradition pass with time and different perspectives. All-male to co-ed. Jesuit-led to nominally-Jesuit to [lay run?]. Crusader to "shield." SAT required to SAT optional. D-IA to PL. Theology department to religious studies. These are neither bad things nor good things, just different. We should not assume that Holy Cross football is a "given." It isn't. With or without the Luth. With or without Coach Chesney. [P.S. Coach Gilmore was not a "lead stone." In the end, he may not have saved Holy Cross football long-term but he certainly revived it from rock bottom to PL contender and champion his first 5-6 years. He knew that he should have taken bigger opportunities after the championship but loved Holy Cross too much to leave].
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Post by 78purple on Jun 5, 2018 22:45:11 GMT -5
Last 5 years of HC football ? ........ Not a chance. Like I have said many times before. Holy Cross football has been ongoing for about 125 years. There is no way that is going to change now in 2018 or by 2023. The program has had many ups and downs over those 125 years. It will continue to do so. We can expect the program to get much better at the FCS level soon. The program is an inherent part of the College's culture and cannot and will not be derailed by a period of mixed performance. You must analyze things like this from a much broader and historical perspective. Yes the college football landscape has changed but at the FCS level we are exactly positioned correctly and will be successful again. Our program is not changing and with Chesney at the helm we may be close to better results during his tenure. Yes we will be beating Yale, Colgate, Harvard and Dartmouth again as we have for the last 125years. I am not as confident that 125 years of history and tradition counts as much anymore at Holy Cross. I think the $95M Luth bought some time but don't take the long term future of football for granted. Has the Administration/BoT fallen into the trap of so many CEOs and Boards where short term results trump (sorry) the longer term road to progress? History and tradition pass with time and different perspectives. All-male to co-ed. Jesuit-led to nominally-Jesuit to [lay run?]. Crusader to "shield." SAT required to SAT optional. D-IA to PL. Theology department to religious studies. These are neither bad things nor good things, just different. We should not assume that Holy Cross football is a "given." It isn't. With or without the Luth. With or without Coach Chesney. [P.S. Coach Gilmore was not a "lead stone." In the end, he may not have saved Holy Cross football long-term but he certainly revived it from rock bottom to PL contender and champion his first 5-6 years. He knew that he should have taken bigger opportunities after the championship but loved Holy Cross too much to leave]. I think the fundamental issue is whether we should be a high level FCS or D-3....it seems we can not make up our mind what we are, and as a result we are mired in this vast wasteland of irrelevance/apathy....we really have to assess what our true commitment to football is....maybe Chesney is the answer, and Luth is buying us time...we don't know.......I think the bar should be set at the level of the late '80s early 90's teams ( with the carrot of going to the post season if you've earned it )....if administration/BoT doesn't want to make that commitment for the all the economic and medical concerns elucidated by mm67, so be it, and I would not be opposed to funneling those dollars in to basketball ( to return us to the teams of the late '70s and early 2000s ) and hockey .... But decide what we want to be...Granted, as has been outlined, times change....Penn State and Syracuse on the schedule has devolved into Cen Conn State and Bryant...I get it.....But decide what we want to be....I agree the next 5 years may be critical......But I would argue that HC is better with a competitive team on the gridiron...
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Post by td128 on Jun 6, 2018 4:34:45 GMT -5
I welcome entering into a friendly wager that we have another FBS game against the likes of a Virginia or Duke before we see Bates or Bowdoin on the schedule. While we banter that around, here are the OOC games over the next 4 years:
at Boston College 9-8-18 Yale 9-15-18 Dartmouth 9-22-18 at New Hampshire 10-6-18 at Harvard 10-12-18
at Navy 8-31-19 New Hampshire 9-7-19 at Yale 9-21-19 at Syracuse 9-28-19 at Brown 10-12-19 Harvard 10-19-19
Yale 9-19-20 at Central Connecticut 9-26-20 at Harvard 10-3-20 Brown 10-10-20 at Boston College 10-31-20
at Connecticut 9-2-21 (Thursday) Central Connecticut 9-11-21 Yale 9-18-21 at Monmouth 9-25-21 Harvard 10-2-21
LET'S WIN!!!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 6, 2018 8:11:14 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Cent Conn although I believe that program has improved. Other than that, these are outstanding OOC schedules in my opinion.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 6, 2018 9:31:02 GMT -5
I agree...and CCSU has been improving. Nice ooc schedule overall.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 6, 2018 9:52:59 GMT -5
These are outstanding schedules and compare favorably, especially 2019, with any schedule Holy Cross has had in the memory of those of us who can remember the 60's and I would say even in the days of Lockbaum and company.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Jun 6, 2018 10:16:14 GMT -5
Just start winning again!!
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Post by 6sader7 on Jun 6, 2018 17:04:41 GMT -5
These are outstanding schedules and compare favorably, especially 2019, with any schedule Holy Cross has had in the memory of those of us who can remember the 60's and I would say even in the days of Lockbaum and company. Completely agree.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2018 17:56:13 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Cent Conn although I believe that program has improved. Other than that, these are outstanding OOC schedules in my opinion. Careful! Seems like every time those alum who lived through the "glory days" speak about not being a fan of playing a certain school, we end up losing to that team at least once.
"What! We've sunk to the point of playing Monmouth, Wagner and Bryant??!! What an outrage!!!"
Loss, Loss Loss.....
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Post by rickii on Jun 13, 2018 15:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 13, 2018 15:16:23 GMT -5
I love it!!!!
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Post by hchoops on Jun 13, 2018 16:04:24 GMT -5
Talk about a hands on coach The exact opposite of the head coach who stands on a lift letting the assistants do the work
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Post by joe on Jun 13, 2018 19:09:47 GMT -5
Makes one appreciate the seemingly infinite details that go into a game of football, from both technical and strategic standpoints, and how most casual fans of the game have only a simple-minded view of it as just 22 guys slamming into each other.
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Post by HCFC45 on Jun 14, 2018 7:25:51 GMT -5
Was talking with a local Dr. the other day who is a graduate of Assumption and had been a long time BB season ticket holder at HC until Fr. Brooks did what he did and now has BB season tickets at BC because of the ACC teams that come to play at BC...
He witnessed first hand the change that took place at Assumption with Chesney. He said he could not believe the difference in the players that were brought in by Chesney. His emphatic comment was "he CAN recruit"! I told him I thought he reminded me of Rick Carter and he wholeheartedly agreed! He predicts nothing but good coming with HC football with Chesney at the helm!
Also hearing that season ticket sales are the best in years!!!
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Post by joutsHC77 on Jun 14, 2018 11:34:18 GMT -5
Love his enthusiasm and involvement! Good things on the horizon!
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Post by joutsHC77 on Jun 15, 2018 14:28:42 GMT -5
Attitude determines altitude, from Zig Ziglar!
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Post by hc87 on Jun 15, 2018 18:46:09 GMT -5
We shall see...he hasn't won anywhere of any significance yet.....not rooting against him, but he hasn't done anything at HC yet.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 15, 2018 19:24:02 GMT -5
We shall see...he hasn't won anywhere of any significance yet.....not rooting against him, but he hasn't done anything at HC yet. Awesome so glad you're not root g against him!!!!!!
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Post by hchoops on Jun 15, 2018 19:47:26 GMT -5
We shall see...he hasn't won anywhere of any significance yet..... One can win only at the schools where one has coached Chesney has won everywhere he has coached. Good evidence for me.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 15, 2018 22:33:48 GMT -5
Amen, brother. Not only did he win at those schools, he took losing programs and changed their status completely. Of course we'll next have to hear about D1 vs D2 vs D3 and recruiting with scholarships and recruiting at a "high academic" school and on and on. Of course we also know the game of football is played so differently in D2 and D3-- they use only 9 players at a time, right, and an 80 yard field, and I think they get 5 downs instead of 4?? So, he'll be on a steep learning curve with play calling, too.
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