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Post by rgs318 on May 31, 2019 15:22:47 GMT -5
Calvin Coolidge loved MOXIE! ...but he only paid for his own and never treated anyone with him, even on the day he learned he had just become President.
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Post by Tom on May 31, 2019 15:38:19 GMT -5
More than marginally off topic, but Moxie used to be about the only soda that you could use a can opener on either end. Perfect for rigging a six pack together to make the barrel of a tennis ball cannon
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Post by sader1970 on May 31, 2019 16:52:44 GMT -5
What's TR have to do with Moxie? Did he drink some when he was speaking at Holy Cross? I thought he was a football guy? Oh, wait, do you mean the guy with the frozen head?!!
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Post by longsuffering on May 31, 2019 19:31:07 GMT -5
Ted had a can of the not so sweet stuff before he belted one out of Fitton Field in '39. He would have been a great graduation speaker any year … while he was thawed.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 31, 2019 23:59:20 GMT -5
What's TR have to do with Moxie? Did he drink some when he was speaking at Holy Cross? I thought he was a football guy? Oh, wait, do you mean the guy with the frozen head?!! That’s really cold. 🥶
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Post by matunuck on Jun 14, 2019 21:10:00 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 14, 2019 23:24:09 GMT -5
Will the 2014 Pawtucket Red Sox championship banner be hung in Polar Park, or will it be a fresh start with a clean slate for the Worcester Red Sox?
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 15, 2019 5:13:00 GMT -5
triple A is Memorial Day to mid September
what will the WooSox do to monetize the off seasons? would engaging local college sports teams be worth it for all concerned?
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 15, 2019 8:09:29 GMT -5
Interesting:
So, #1, HC students still get top billing in Worcester, or at least in this article and #2, you apparently need a lot more than baseball to attract college age fans to a baseball game.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 15, 2019 8:37:30 GMT -5
triple A is Memorial Day to mid September Triple A regular season begins the first week of April and goes to Labor Day. Playoffs will get you to mid-September.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 15, 2019 9:09:21 GMT -5
I think the "dining car" being discussed as part of the park is not a railroad dining car, but a Miss Woo replica, or an original. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulevard_DinerMost of these are on the National Register of Historic Places, which means they can't be moved on a whim.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 15, 2019 9:13:42 GMT -5
Interesting: So, #1, HC students still get top billing in Worcester, or at least in this article and #2, you apparently need a lot more than baseball to attract college age fans to a baseball game.
Designing and marketing a stadium for city college students who are in session in Worcester for maybe a total of 15 games (out of 70) each season seems very misguided. I for the life of me do not understand this ownership group's constant mention of Worcester college students. In addition to not being in the city for most of the AAA season, this group has shown little support for athletics of any kind. They for the most part do not even go to games on their own campus.
Seems rather odd to me that while Worcester permanent full-time residents will pay in excess of $70M of their tax money (+$30M in state tax funds) for a stadium, it will be geared toward non tax paying part time student residents that will be not be around for most of the season.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 15, 2019 11:59:13 GMT -5
Agreed. The burden is on the taxpayers, the benefits accrue to the privately owned team. However one reason they are emphasizing college students is because they may be observing the trend of higher education moving more and more to year round due to economic necessity. In the summer there are less organized college activities. Taking students attending the new HC summer session as an example, they probably have less college sponsored activities in the summer than they do in the traditional semesters, so they are more of a captive audience.
But I wonder how many will walk down the hill and pay admission to Braveheart games at Hanover Insurance Park at Fitton Field this summer?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 15, 2019 12:13:12 GMT -5
triple A is Memorial Day to mid September what will the WooSox do to monetize the off seasons? would engaging local college sports teams be worth it for all concerned? The parent Boston Red Sox do hold some college baseball games at Fenway. I have a family member who goes every year and sits right behind home plate and keeps quoting Bob Uecker: "Must be in the front ro-o-o-w." The BoSox make strategic use of the Red Sox away schedule by holding all kinds of concerts and other events at Fenway during the nice weather. Many people who have seen artists like James Taylor and Bonnie Raitt or Billy Joel in other venues will buy another ticket to see them again in the ballpark atmosphere because it is a unique experience. Fenway hosts winter hockey games and I really wouldn't be surprised to see a UFC card at the lyric little bandbox with some type of cover over the cage in case of rain because Dana White loves Boston and is a fan of all the Boston teams. You can bet the WooSox will look to maximize profits at Polar Park. I hope the city negotiated a fair cut for the tax payers from supplementary events, but assume they gave the WooSox a most generous deal.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 15, 2019 12:53:11 GMT -5
Worc is the ultimate "yes man". Always bends over for anything they think will raise the profile of the city, regardless of cost and any residual negative effects on other entities and taxpayers.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 15, 2019 21:16:52 GMT -5
Worc is the ultimate "yes man". Always bends over for anything they think will raise the profile of the city, regardless of cost and any residual negative effects on other entities and taxpayers. Every city but Worcester should raise its profile. Because we live in Worcester we should continue to live with two empty polluted properties in the heart if the city because....we’re from Worcester. At least admit you were wrong about the Red Sox AAA affiliate moving to Worcester.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jul 11, 2019 21:46:49 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jul 12, 2019 7:30:45 GMT -5
At least admit you were wrong about the Red Sox AAA affiliate moving to Worcester. I was one of the "it's never going to happen" crowd. I thought the PawSox were just using Worcester as a negotiating tool. Even after the official announcement, I harked back to the same sort of official announcement Bob Kraft had down in Providence. I am still cynical about the whole thing, but my theories have changed. I'm guessing that you'll have $20-25 dollar tickets with $10-15 to park. Pawtucket fans who are used to a $7 ticket with free parking would revolt. The team wouldn't get away with overnight tripling ticket prices on a fanbase with memories. The hope is that the Worcester crowd will compare the price to $75-100 tickets with $30 parking at Fenway and still look at the Worcester pricing as a bargain. What happens instead of saying I was wrong, I say I was mistaken?
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 12, 2019 7:35:11 GMT -5
People will still realize you were wrong!
BTW - $9 is the current general admission price at McCoy and I think $15 is the top end, so I could see $15 - $25 in Worcester. Shoot it costs $15 for general admission at Fitton for a football game!
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Post by rf1 on Jul 12, 2019 9:32:04 GMT -5
People will still realize you were wrong! BTW - $9 is the current general admission price at McCoy and I think $15 is the top end, so I could see $15 - $25 in Worcester. Shoot it costs $15 for general admission at Fitton for a football game! The prices at McCoy along with its mostly free parking will have little effect on the team prices in Worcester. Very few of the people that went to games in Pawtucket will ever be going to Worcester so there will be no previous base point concern. Worcester will have to build a completely new fanbase which will very much need strong support from the wealthy suburbs west of Boston from the Rte 128 to 495 belts.
The perspective from the team's nearly 50 year Pawtucket home yesterday also seems to mirror my take that existing longtime fans won't be following the team to its new home:
PawSox fans bitter as Worcester breaks ground on a new stadium
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 12, 2019 11:08:05 GMT -5
Was not suggesting that the price in Pawtucket had anything to do with Worcester. Or that anyone in Greater Pawtucket market would ever come to Worcester.
Tom used $7 as the price point in Pawtucket. I checked as I have been to McCoy many times - my brother lives in Pawtucket and nephew currently works concessions at McCoy - and don't recall paying that little recently.
Was suggesting that if $9 is the General Admission price in Pawtucket, that in Worcester, a similar market, after an initial over sized demand, that the market would support $15 for minor league baseball general admission and go as high as $25. Since I just checked and $15 that is the low end for Railers single game tickets and AAA Baseball is higher level competition relative to the highest pro level in the respective sports, $15 may have been a bit low, so Tom's $20 - $25 for a ticket (at least on the low end) may be a better estimate.
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Post by gks on Jul 12, 2019 11:21:43 GMT -5
People will still realize you were wrong! BTW - $9 is the current general admission price at McCoy and I think $15 is the top end, so I could see $15 - $25 in Worcester. Shoot it costs $15 for general admission at Fitton for a football game! The prices at McCoy along with its mostly free parking will have little effect on the team prices in Worcester. Very few of the people that went to games in Pawtucket will ever be going to Worcester so there will be no previous base point concern. Worcester will have to build a completely new fanbase which will very much need strong support from the wealthy suburbs west of Boston from the Rte 128 to 495 belts.
The perspective from the team's nearly 50 year Pawtucket home yesterday also seems to mirror my take that existing longtime fans won't be following the team to its new home:
PawSox fans bitter as Worcester breaks ground on a new stadium
Sincere question....why have there always been people throughout the yeasrs from Worcester and CMass willing to make the trek to Pawtucket to watch the PawSox but not one single soul from RI will make the long and difficult 45 minute drive to Worcester?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 12, 2019 11:31:38 GMT -5
it's uphill both ways?
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Post by rf1 on Jul 12, 2019 11:36:40 GMT -5
The prices at McCoy along with its mostly free parking will have little effect on the team prices in Worcester. Very few of the people that went to games in Pawtucket will ever be going to Worcester so there will be no previous base point concern. Worcester will have to build a completely new fanbase which will very much need strong support from the wealthy suburbs west of Boston from the Rte 128 to 495 belts.
The perspective from the team's nearly 50 year Pawtucket home yesterday also seems to mirror my take that existing longtime fans won't be following the team to its new home:
PawSox fans bitter as Worcester breaks ground on a new stadium
Sincere question....why have there always been people throughout the yeasrs from Worcester and CMass willing to make the trek to Pawtucket to watch the PawSox but not one single soul from RI will make the long and difficult 45 minute drive to Worcester? Two reasons: Worcester residents were not bitter about the team abdandoning them after 50 years. People outside the small compact state of RI are far more open to travelling. Rhode Islanders are however notorious for not wanting to drive more than 30 minutes anywhere. My own mother believed an in state trip from Pawtucket to Narragansett required an overnight stay. It was one of the reasons my family purchased a summer home less than an hour drive away.
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Post by gks on Jul 12, 2019 11:58:01 GMT -5
Sincere question....why have there always been people throughout the yeasrs from Worcester and CMass willing to make the trek to Pawtucket to watch the PawSox but not one single soul from RI will make the long and difficult 45 minute drive to Worcester? Two reasons: Worcester residents were not bitter about the team abdandoning them after 50 years. People outside the small compact state of RI are far more open to travelling. Rhode Islanders are however notorious for not wanting to drive more than 30 minutes anywhere. My own mother believed an in state trip from Pawtucket to Narragansett required an overnight stay. It was one of the reasons my family purchased a summer home less than an hour drive away. When the Providence Bruins played the IceCats/Sharks plenty of Bruins fan made the trek up 146 and visa versa. Made a great atmosphere for those games. People in RI know where Worcester is. They'll find it.
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