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Post by rgs318 on Sept 25, 2018 12:58:18 GMT -5
Good choice.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 25, 2018 13:05:26 GMT -5
little doubt that Jim Brown was "best athlete".
how about "best money player in professional sports"
Bill Russell, NBA; Joe Montana, NFL
dominated play and did not lose in the championship games/series.
sentimental favorite Joe Namath "We're going to win Sunday. I guarantee it. " in the face of overwhelming "expert opinion" that the Jets were toast.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 25, 2018 13:11:30 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but Joe may have been a bit past his prime when he decided to retire. maybe, but it was still a big surprise when he decided to walk away. (marilyn was waiting?)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 25, 2018 13:24:27 GMT -5
little doubt that Jim Brown was "best athlete". how about "best money player in professional sports" Bill Russell, NBA; Joe Montana, NFL dominated play and did not lose in the championship games/series. sentimental favorite Joe Namath "We're going to win Sunday. I guarantee it. " in the face of overwhelming "expert opinion" that the Jets were toast. Joe made that big guarantee and delivered on it and, along with his charisma, that ensured his place in history. In my opinion, he could be one of the most overrated professional athletes in history. His W-L record as a QB was 62-63-4 and he threw 220 interceptions versus 173 TD's. His completion percentage was 50.1%. He did like to throw long so I'm sure that made for some spectacular plays. I understand, from people who have met him, that he is a very nice guy.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 25, 2018 13:29:45 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but Joe may have been a bit past his prime when he decided to retire. maybe, but it was still a big surprise when he decided to walk away. (marilyn was waiting?) I think it was it may have been Joe's ongoing problems with bone spurs that caused him to retire. He lost those three years to military service, then came back in 1946 and picked up where he left off. He had a typically great DiMaggio season in 1950 at age 35, then in his last season of 1951 hit but 12 homers and batted .263. I believe he may not have wanted to be an ordinary ballplayer, no matter what the Yankees were paying him.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 25, 2018 14:11:39 GMT -5
little doubt that Jim Brown was "best athlete". how about "best money player in professional sports" Bill Russell, NBA; Joe Montana, NFL dominated play and did not lose in the championship games/series. sentimental favorite Joe Namath "We're going to win Sunday. I guarantee it. " in the face of overwhelming "expert opinion" that the Jets were toast. Joe made that big guarantee and delivered on it and, along with his charisma, that ensured his place in history. In my opinion, he could be one of the most overrated professional athletes in history. His W-L record as a QB was 62-63-4 and he threw 220 interceptions versus 173 TD's. His completion percentage was 50.1%. He did like to throw long so I'm sure that made for some spectacular plays. I understand, from people who have met him, that he is a very nice guy. all very true. but just got to love that amazing chutzpah. biggest sports upset other than Ali v Liston (1). again, a personal sentimental favorite.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 25, 2018 14:25:24 GMT -5
maybe, but it was still a big surprise when he decided to walk away. (marilyn was waiting?) I think it was it may have been Joe's ongoing problems with bone spurs that caused him to retire. He lost those three years to military service, then came back in 1946 and picked up where he left off. He had a typically great DiMaggio season in 1950 at age 35, then in his last season of 1951 hit but 12 homers and batted .263. I believe he may not have wanted to be an ordinary ballplayer, no matter what the Yankees were paying him. the pressure on sports stars to continue playing after skills fade is enormous. see mantle, mays, etc. how many times did bret farve "retire"?
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 25, 2018 14:32:17 GMT -5
He knew when to step aside...while at the top of his game with, as was said, nothing left to "prove" in football. How many have had enough courage to make such a decision? Sandy Koufax, best pitcher of the last 70 years, at least as well as a very good basketball player—scholarship to Cincinnati Sandy Koufax was forced into retirement by arthritis in his pitching elbow. Story is that while taking golf lessons the golf pro told Sandy to straighten his left arm on his golf swing. Koufax replied, "If I could straighten my left arm I would be in Dodger Stadium this afternoon"
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Post by hchoops on Sept 25, 2018 15:07:07 GMT -5
Joe made that big guarantee and delivered on it and, along with his charisma, that ensured his place in history. In my opinion, he could be one of the most overrated professional athletes in history. His W-L record as a QB was 62-63-4 and he threw 220 interceptions versus 173 TD's. His completion percentage was 50.1%. He did like to throw long so I'm sure that made for some spectacular plays. I understand, from people who have met him, that he is a very nice guy. all very true. but just got to love that amazing chutzpah. biggest sports upset other than Ali v Liston (1). again, a personal sentimental favorite. Mets in ‘69
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 25, 2018 15:16:26 GMT -5
Namath was over rated and the "guarantee" overblown. Most people think of this picture of Joe sitting poolside chatting up reporters as the context of him guaranteeing the win. That woul dbe incorrect. The following is an exceprt from an account of "the guarantee" with the backstory ( www.pophistorydig.com/topics/joe-namath/ ) I ask you, how may current or past NFL quarterbacks (or players) for that matter wouldn't have responded to a heckler in the same or similar fashion? I'd say most. Even someone like Brady who never rises to that kind of bait, would say something like "Well, I guess we'll see on Sunday." I don't see Namath displaying brash chutzpah to guarantee the win, but the reflex reaction of a fierce competitor that is very common among professional athletes.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 25, 2018 15:41:20 GMT -5
He knew when to step aside...while at the top of his game with, as was said, nothing left to "prove" in football. How many have had enough courage to make such a decision? Sandy Koufax, best pitcher of the last 70 years, at least as well as a very good basketball player—scholarship to Cincinnati Koufax retired due to injury (notwithstanding his young age, 30ish). Similar to the young Ralph Kiner. Michael Jordan left hoops at the top of his game (similar to Jim Brown)...but he came back
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 25, 2018 17:21:39 GMT -5
Namath was over rated and the "guarantee" overblown. Most people think of this picture of Joe sitting poolside chatting up reporters as the context of him guaranteeing the win. That woul dbe incorrect. The following is an exceprt from an account of "the guarantee" with the backstory ( www.pophistorydig.com/topics/joe-namath/ ) I ask you, how may current or past NFL quarterbacks (or players) for that matter wouldn't have responded to a heckler in the same or similar fashion? I'd say most. Even someone like Brady who never rises to that kind of bait, would say something like "Well, I guess we'll see on Sunday." I don't see Namath displaying brash chutzpah to guarantee the win, but the reflex reaction of a fierce competitor that is very common among professional athletes. my recollection is that pro athletes want to play the game on the field, not in the newspapers. don't say anything that may hurt our chances of winning. so "hecklers" are routinely ignored. namath broke that rule for the biggest game in the NFL season. the AFC had yet to win a Superbowl game so namath was out to break the mold and prove that the AFC belonged. i cannot recall any other player making a similar comment going into a Superbowl Game? btw, "brash chutzpah" is a redundancy. chutzpah is chutzpah.
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Post by dadominate on Sept 25, 2018 20:11:02 GMT -5
Joe made that big guarantee and delivered on it and, along with his charisma, that ensured his place in history. In my opinion, he could be one of the most overrated professional athletes in history. His W-L record as a QB was 62-63-4 and he threw 220 interceptions versus 173 TD's. His completion percentage was 50.1%. He did like to throw long so I'm sure that made for some spectacular plays. I understand, from people who have met him, that he is a very nice guy. all very true. but just got to love that amazing chutzpah. biggest sports upset other than Ali v Liston (1). again, a personal sentimental favorite. judging by the bookmakers and popular expectation, buster douglas over iron mike tyson in his prime was the biggest upset in boxing history. douglas was a 42-1 underdog and tyson was thought to be invincible at that time.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 26, 2018 0:54:41 GMT -5
all very true. but just got to love that amazing chutzpah. biggest sports upset other than Ali v Liston (1). again, a personal sentimental favorite. judging by the bookmakers and popular expectation, buster douglas over iron mike tyson in his prime was the biggest upset in boxing history. douglas was a 42-1 underdog and tyson was thought to be invincible at that time. i don't think that the book makers even gave odds on Ali v Liston. only question was would Ali (then Cassius Clay) come out alive. Clay promoted the fight as only he could. no one took him seriously as a professional boxer.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 26, 2018 5:46:04 GMT -5
In senior year, we decided to voluntarily have a 3-man room to save on room & board and we named our room "Bachelor's III" after "Broadway Joe's" watering hole.
FWIW, I was a Jets fan at the time and believed him when he said they would beat the Colts.
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Post by dadominate on Sept 26, 2018 6:58:57 GMT -5
judging by the bookmakers and popular expectation, buster douglas over iron mike tyson in his prime was the biggest upset in boxing history. douglas was a 42-1 underdog and tyson was thought to be invincible at that time. i don't think that the book makers even gave odds on Ali v Liston. only question was would Ali (then Cassius Clay) come out alive. Clay promoted the fight as only he could. no one took him seriously as a professional boxer. the bookmakers had 8-1 odds in the ali/liston fight. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Sonny_Listonan upset for sure and highly publicized given all of ali’s talk leading up to the fight, but nothing of the magnitude of the complete unknown douglas knocking tyson out.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 26, 2018 8:56:47 GMT -5
judging by the bookmakers and popular expectation, buster douglas over iron mike tyson in his prime was the biggest upset in boxing history. douglas was a 42-1 underdog and tyson was thought to be invincible at that time. i don't think that the book makers even gave odds on Ali v Liston. only question was would Ali (then Cassius Clay) come out alive. Clay promoted the fight as only he could. No one took him seriously as a professional boxer. ..at that time. Things did change after his defeat of Liston.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 26, 2018 9:28:44 GMT -5
I think Clay/Ali's loud mouth obscured his talents and many thought he was chattering on and making his bold prediction because he was terrified of Liston, not because he was confident. Recall also that many thought Liston "took a dive" with rumors he was into the mob who ordered him to tank. So, even after his big win, some were still non-believers.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 26, 2018 10:21:06 GMT -5
Americans love conspiracy theories. I recall all the wild speculation about Liston-Clay as noted above. Many people will simply not believe the obvious
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 26, 2018 11:04:26 GMT -5
i don't think that the book makers even gave odds on Ali v Liston. only question was would Ali (then Cassius Clay) come out alive. Clay promoted the fight as only he could. no one took him seriously as a professional boxer. the bookmakers had 8-1 odds in the ali/liston fight. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Sonny_Listonan upset for sure and highly publicized given all of ali’s talk leading up to the fight, but nothing of the magnitude of the complete unknown douglas knocking tyson out. thank you for the info. i sit corrected. pax,
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 26, 2018 11:11:33 GMT -5
I think Clay/Ali's loud mouth obscured his talents and many thought he was chattering on and making his bold prediction because he was terrified of Liston, not because he was confident. Recall also that many thought Liston "took a dive" with rumors he was into the mob who ordered him to tank. So, even after his big win, some were still non-believers. sonny liston certainly had a murky past. i think that the "took a dive" comments came after the re-match in lewiston, me when liston went down in the 1st round after the "phantom punch".
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 26, 2018 11:17:38 GMT -5
FWIW As a 20 something Jets and Namath fan that Super Bowl (NFL-AFL Championsip Game) was a fantastic experience. Youthful flash and exuberance beats the old guard. Long hair and bell bottoms versus the crew cut and skinny ties. The swinging sixties scene of booze and"babes" versus the silent 50's generation. Oh, how times have changed - same old Jets. 2007 Super Bowl - Go G-Men. 2000's Brady and Pats dynasty reign supreme. And now, old age. Gotta' go, time for my daily nap. LoveHC watched SB lll in the dorm room of a HC classmate who was a fanatic Colts/Johnny U fan. poor guy was virtually catatonic by the end of the game.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 26, 2018 11:22:08 GMT -5
In senior year, we decided to voluntarily have a 3-man room to save on room & board and we named our room "Bachelor's III" after "Broadway Joe's" watering hole. FWIW, I was a Jets fan at the time and believed him when he said they would beat the Colts. FWIW, I was a Jets fan at the time and believed him when he said they would beat the Colts.
then there were 2 of you who "believed" you and some football fan in outer mongolia!
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 26, 2018 11:30:15 GMT -5
Joe made that big guarantee and delivered on it and, along with his charisma, that ensured his place in history. In my opinion, he could be one of the most overrated professional athletes in history. His W-L record as a QB was 62-63-4 and he threw 220 interceptions versus 173 TD's. His completion percentage was 50.1%. He did like to throw long so I'm sure that made for some spectacular plays. I understand, from people who have met him, that he is a very nice guy. all very true. but just got to love that amazing chutzpah. biggest sports upset other than Ali v Liston (1). again, a personal sentimental favorite. funny, i just threw in my comment on joe namath as my "sentimental favorite" and Ali v Liston as an aside. seemed to have touched a raw nerve there. no response at all on who is "best money player in professional sports"
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Post by hchoops on Sept 26, 2018 11:47:06 GMT -5
Steph Curry
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