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Lazarus
Sept 27, 2018 9:24:08 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Sept 27, 2018 9:24:08 GMT -5
Under another thread, KY suggested that deceased Crusader mascot should be re-named "Lazarus" instead of "Iggy" when I suggested that perhaps our Crusader might "rise from the dead." I like that suggestion. Here is a link to the student newspaper - front page - announcing the "birth" (my words) of the Crusader "cognomen" (their words): college.holycross.edu/departments/archives/exhibits/crusader/crusader_pages/1920s-1930s/10-06-1925.pdfSo, my question to you, esteemed posters, the Holy Cross Board of Trustees voted to retain the name "Crusaders" but, according to the letter Fr. Boroughs wrote: ". . . . the Board tasked our administration with assessing all visual representations of the Crusader, [emphasis mine], to ensure they align with our definition of what it means to be a Holy Cross Crusader." Did the administration follow this? I took this at the time to mean a new representation of a Crusader. Instead, the administration chose to eliminate any representation of a Crusader and replace it with a shield with "HC" on it. To me, purple glasses firmly on the bridge of my nose, the administration did not follow the order of the BOT, but chose to usurp the authority of the Board. Also, the Crusader was chosen by the students in 1925, not the Board, not the administration, not the president. I will concede that the students, albeit the editorial staff, changed the name of the newspaper from "The Crusader" to "The Spires," but there was no poll that I am aware of of the current students gauging their desires on the mascot. Certainly, almost no one figured there would be no mascot.
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Lazarus
Sept 27, 2018 10:37:59 GMT -5
Post by moose1970 on Sept 27, 2018 10:37:59 GMT -5
Under another thread, KY suggested that deceased Crusader mascot should be re-named "Lazarus" instead of "Iggy" when I suggested that perhaps our Crusader might "rise from the dead." I like that suggestion. Here is a link to the student newspaper - front page - announcing the "birth" (my words) of the Crusader "cognomen" (their words): college.holycross.edu/departments/archives/exhibits/crusader/crusader_pages/1920s-1930s/10-06-1925.pdfSo, my question to you, esteemed posters, the Holy Cross Board of Trustees voted to retain the name "Crusaders" but, according to the letter Fr. Boroughs wrote: ". . . . the Board tasked our administration with assessing all visual representations of the Crusader, [emphasis mine], to ensure they align with our definition of what it means to be a Holy Cross Crusader." Did the administration follow this? I took this at the time to mean a new representation of a Crusader. Instead, the administration chose to eliminate any representation of a Crusader and replace it with a shield with "HC" on it. To me, purple glasses firmly on the bridge of my nose, the administration did not follow the order of the BOT, but chose to usurp the authority of the Board. Also, the Crusader was chosen by the students in 1925, not the Board, not the administration, not the president. I will concede that the students, albeit the editorial staff, changed the name of the newspaper from "The Crusader" to "The Spires," but there was no poll that I am aware of of the current students gauging their desires on the mascot. Certainly, almost no one figured there would be no mascot.
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Lazarus
Sept 27, 2018 10:44:23 GMT -5
Post by moose1970 on Sept 27, 2018 10:44:23 GMT -5
does the dude/dudette holding the shield and sword represent "Crusader" to the administration? (don't know what to call the thing sticking out the top of his/her helmet)
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 27, 2018 17:45:01 GMT -5
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Lazarus
Sept 27, 2018 18:46:51 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Sept 27, 2018 18:46:51 GMT -5
Crucis, you are starting to give Phreek competition. Now, if you could just add something about knowing this due to your lineage you will have achieved parity with him.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 27, 2018 18:47:45 GMT -5
Short answer: YES.
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Lazarus
Sept 28, 2018 6:25:29 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 28, 2018 6:25:29 GMT -5
Crucis, you are starting to give Phreek competition. Now, if you could just add something about knowing this due to your lineage you will have achieved parity with him. That was foolish to say. Now, see what you get. I have previously narrated how my ancestral family went on several crusades; e.g., Robert Curthose, duke of Normandy, was the son of my second cousin, William the Conqueror. Curthose organized, paid for, and led an army on the First Crusade. The sons and grandsons of my first cousins, the de Hautevilles (Alta Villa in Italian) led another of the crusader armies on the First Crusade. They captured Antioch, recovered the Holy Lance, and established the Kingdom of Antioch which lasted about 250 years, by far the most enduring of the crusader conquests in the Holy Land. Before the First Crusade however, and a decade before the Battle of Hastings, the de Hautevilles defeated the papal armies of St. Leo IX in a single day! They captured and imprisoned Leo. It is written that the de Hautevilles treated Leo with respect, but after being imprisoned for eight months, he was released, and died two weeks later. His successor, Victor II, was more interested in German politics, and let my cousins be. His papacy lasted two years. His successor Stephen IX was youthful, and as he made plans to move against my cousins, he became acutely ill and died suddenly. His papacy lasted eight months. My cousins, if anything, were connivers, and, IMO, not above poisoning a pope. Stephen was succeeded by Benedict X. A minority of the cardinals at the conclave that chose Benedict rebelled, charging bribery. These cardinals were driven from Rome because of the scandal they were creating. They retired to Siena, and elected Nicholas II. At this point, Nicholas II is an anti-pope. Nicholas II soon allied with the de Hautevilles, and, more critically, their army. The de Hautevilles drove Benedict from Rome, cornered him in the Italian countryside, and forced him to renounce the papacy. Nicholas II became pope, and imprisoned Benedict for the rest of his days. Nicholas II asked the de Hautevilles to drive the Saracens from Sicily, which they quickly did. As a reward, the Kingdom of Sicily was created for the de Hautevilles, --a Norman kingdom which also encompassed lower Italy. It was from there that the de Hauteville sons embarked on the First Crusade. Given his surname, my 'brother', Viger de Apulia, may have joined the de Hautevilles in lower Italy about the time of the one-day battle with Leo, circa.1050. Nothing more is known of him. I suspect he may have brought a herd of war horses from Normandy to Italy. My family's fortress castle in Normandy was built to protect the extensive stud farms that bred the war horses for the Norman heavy cavalry. About 500 years after its construction, the castle was partly demolished on the order of Cardinal Richelieu, as it was 'no longer necessary for the defense of France'. It was the appearance of the Norman heavy cavalry that caused the foot soldiers and dismounted cavalry of Leo IX to flee the battlefield, and it was the heavy cavalry that routed the English army at Hastings.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 28, 2018 7:03:32 GMT -5
You took the bait!!!! Now, I am betting that you won't put a winning auction bid in for the football scoreboard Crusader and place it on 290 right outside Fitton with an addition underneath that says: "I AM DESCENDED FROM REAL CRUSADERS AND I SUPPORT THE HOLY CROSS CRUSADERS!" (See what I did there? )
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 28, 2018 10:10:40 GMT -5
You took the bait!!!! Now, I am betting that you won't put a winning auction bid in for the football scoreboard Crusader and place it on 290 right outside Fitton with an addition underneath that says: "I AM DESCENDED FROM REAL CRUSADERS AND I SUPPORT THE HOLY CROSS CRUSADERS!" (See what I did there? )
Placing it outside Fitton will be difficult as the land is either owned by the college or the state. The closest available site to stick it to the Jebbies would be 50 College St, the white house on the corner of Clay, owned by someone who lives in Webster. The college's avaricious eyes are surely looking at this particular property, so it will be necessary to purchase an easement, in perpetuity, allowing me to erect the sign. An ironclad easement too, so when the college buys this property, the crusader sign remains. We Nevilles think long-term. The noble House of Neville was an English power for nearly 400 years, until a frightful miscalculation by the Duke of Warwick (AKA the Kingmaker) in starting the War of the Roses brought an end to the Plantagenets and our power in England.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 28, 2018 10:51:53 GMT -5
If anyone could do it, I have great confidence it would be you. One of my former Class Chairs had the same idea as a poster here (he's not on Crossports) and suggested atop Rotman's. I am sure one those 290 billboards wouldn't mind placing it if the price was right. Now, if I only had a wine cellar full of good stuff to sell, I'd do it myself.
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Lazarus
Sept 28, 2018 13:17:34 GMT -5
Post by moose1970 on Sept 28, 2018 13:17:34 GMT -5
thank you, that's good to know! (one other item to scratch off my bucket list)
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 28, 2018 13:21:11 GMT -5
thx, now i can sleep at night!
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