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Post by inhocsigno on Sept 29, 2018 18:41:34 GMT -5
To succeed with the spread in college, you need an athletic QB. Our QB’s are not athletic. Period. Wade is a better passer than Clifford. Clifford obviously won the job because he is more athletic/quicker. Neither should be our starting QB. Put Bell back in and let him use his legs to move the chains.
Mr. Spread em and shred em should be the OC for the lowest division high school in MA. I turned it off after the 10th call where the QB runs toward the receiver and throws to him behind the line.
JFC - we had better calls when we ran screens every other play under Marino or Pedone.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 29, 2018 18:43:40 GMT -5
Just got back....beautiful day, terrible game. Probably almost as many people in the Ho-Jo's parking lot than on the home side for the most of the game...people in general don't truly care anymore, kinda sad.
Welcome to D1 Ches....you have your work cut out for ya'.
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Post by 6sader7 on Sept 29, 2018 18:44:56 GMT -5
1. Objectively Bucknell looked better than they normally do. 2. We have more talented players than Bucknell. 3. We had no business losing to Bucknell today - We aren't putting our offense in a position to make plays. Can you clarify what "not putting our offense in position to make plays" means to you? To me it means giving up a ton of yards, points, special teams mistakes, that sort of thing; so that the offense is always starting at it's own 10 or behind by 20 points (like to Yale and Colgate and Dartmouth). But really only the special teams mistakes were a factor today. Even with those Bucknell scored 19 points; that's certainly a number that can usually be overcome in this day and age. Sure - To me, what not putting your offense in a position to make plays means running an offensive scheme that doesn't allow your best players to make plays and put points on the board. We're playing offense like we're up by 35 points. Running the same running plays over and over again and not utilizing our speed at the receiver positions (both vertically and horizontally) is killing us.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 29, 2018 18:48:31 GMT -5
Back from the game and always interesting to read the in-game posts after the game though many of us at the game can pretty much predict what the comments will be.
Sorry to say, the offense stinks. IMHO, the players aren't especially bad . . . . or at least as bad as the results would indicate. QB play by Wade is, at best, inconsistent. The play calling is very poor. As many have posted, this is on the offensive coordinator but ultimately Coach Chesney. We certainly want to give everyone a chance to prove themselves. But we are now 1-4. In the first 5 games, this was the first time we had a lead, 7-0, which we promptly squandered. As in most things, there are few absolutes. Bucknell is probably not as bad as an 0-4 record might indicate, but they are not a superior team and we should have beaten them today.
If the offensive coordinator is not up to the job, and the results would seem to indicate he is not, there must be a change. Recall back to yesteryear, when many of us were up in arms about the play calling, notably nothing but pass, pass, pass and we thought the then offensive coordinator was doing a poor job and blamed both he and Coach Gilmore. IMHO, Murphy should not get an entire season to "figure it out." The season is now almost half gone. Coach Chesney: DO SOMETHING!
Putting Clifford back in doesn't make sense to me. I know he's supposed to be non-mobile, but supposedly has a great arm, so put in Degenhardt. Can he do any worse?
Love how Cozier ran today but as I've said in the past, running him up the middle when you need a yard or two to score or get a first down is asking a lot of a 175 lb TB, if indeed he weighs that much, which I seriously doubt.
Final thought, for now, while I thought it a fair degree of acting by the Bucknell punter, how do you even get close to the kicker so the call can be made when you are down by a score with over 5 minutes left and I believe 2 timeouts and should have gotten the ball back with decent field position. Unless, of course, you don't have faith in your offense and are gambling on a BC-type blocked punt run back for a TD.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 29, 2018 19:04:09 GMT -5
That Bucknell pre-season All-American punter earned his scholarship today for sure.
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Post by Ignutz on Sept 29, 2018 19:17:46 GMT -5
Back from the game and always interesting to read the in-game posts after the game though many of us at the game can pretty much predict what the comments will be. Sorry to say, the offense stinks. IMHO, the players aren't especially bad . . . . or at least as bad as the results would indicate. QB play by Wade is, at best, inconsistent. The play calling is very poor. As many have posted, this is on the offensive coordinator but ultimately Coach Chesney. We certainly want to give everyone a chance to prove themselves. But we are now 1-4. In the first 5 games, this was the first time we had a lead, 7-0, which we promptly squandered. As in most things, there are few absolutes. Bucknell is probably not as bad as an 0-4 record might indicate, but they are not a superior team and we should have beaten them today. If the offensive coordinator is not up to the job, and the results would seem to indicate he is not, there must be a change. Recall back to yesteryear, when many of us were up in arms about the play calling, notably nothing but pass, pass, pass and we thought the then offensive coordinator was doing a poor job and blamed both he and Coach Gilmore. IMHO, Murphy should not get an entire season to "figure it out." The season is now almost half gone. Coach Chesney: DO SOMETHING!Putting Clifford back in doesn't make sense to me. I know he's supposed to be non-mobile, but supposedly has a great arm, so put in Degenhardt. Can he do any worse? Love how Cozier ran today but as I've said in the past, running him up the middle when you need a yard or two to score or get a first down is asking a lot of a 175 lb TB, if indeed he weighs that much, which I seriously doubt. Final thought, for now, while I thought it a fair degree of acting by the Bucknell punter, how do you even get close to the kicker so the call can be made when you are down by a score with over 5 minutes left and I believe 2 timeouts and should have gotten the ball back with decent field position. Unless, of course, you don't have faith in your offense and are gambling on a BC-type blocked punt run back for a TD. [ Other than the weather, a VERY frustrating afternoon on Mt. St. James. Two strong drives to start the game (although we shot ourselves in the foot on the first), and then back to the offense that got us into deep holes vs. Colgate and Yale. If I were the OC, I think I’d be searching the Help Wanteds. Add in too many situation changing penalties, and my thoughts driving home centered on being grateful that we have Georgetown on the schedule. I’m not sure how good or bad Lafayette might be, but if the over/under for wins is 3, I’m really on the fence. A real disappointment after the strong comeback in Hamilton, and the great finish vs. the Elihus.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 29, 2018 20:01:42 GMT -5
Can you clarify what "not putting our offense in position to make plays" means to you? To me it means giving up a ton of yards, points, special teams mistakes, that sort of thing; so that the offense is always starting at it's own 10 or behind by 20 points (like to Yale and Colgate and Dartmouth). But really only the special teams mistakes were a factor today. Even with those Bucknell scored 19 points; that's certainly a number that can usually be overcome in this day and age. Sure - To me, what not putting your offense in a position to make plays means running an offensive scheme that doesn't allow your best players to make plays and put points on the board. We're playing offense like we're up by 35 points. Running the same running plays over and over again and not utilizing our speed at the receiver positions (both vertically and horizontally) is killing us. thanks. I also think there is quite a bit of stubbornness on someone's part w/regards to running these plays.
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Post by purple1 on Sept 29, 2018 21:30:15 GMT -5
It is time to give the young Degenhardt a chance to play on game day. He may be able to see over our line and complete a screen pass. The running game is too slow to develop, use the backs out of the back field for short swing passes. Throw the damn ball to our tight ends down the field ! Do we have any audibles at the line of scrimmage ?? You run the ball into the middle with 8-9 defenders there....and the DBs are up tight on our wide receivers. Take a chance and throw an inside slant. Our OC is not up to the challenge and D-3 is a far cry from FCS play calling.
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Post by HCFC45 on Sept 30, 2018 6:45:46 GMT -5
My biggest complaint today with regard to our QB is that he locks in on one receiver thus telegraphs where is going to throw the ball! He does not see the whole field and go to his second,third and fourth options! Also, his passes today were very wobbly and not good spirals! Until we get better players it is still a work in progress that could take 2 or 3 more years. Also, have not seen anybody comment on this, but with about 4 minutes left in the first quarter and Bucknell punting to us, we only had 10 players on the field!!! ! People in the stands questioned me but I counted it 3 or 4 times and still came up with only 10! Watched the replay on channel 3 last night and still came up with 10! We had 8 on the line and two back for the return. Right now we are a team searching to find out who they are! However, I agree the OC needs to do a reality check!!! Be patient, this is a 2 to 3 year rebuild!!!
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Post by joe on Sept 30, 2018 10:02:31 GMT -5
The level of play at present is sort of what I expected heading into a season of transition. However, the Yale game, similar to the UNH and UConn games last year, gave what I can best describe as a fleeting moment of hope that we were somehow going to bypass 2-3 years of growing pains. I wonder if a lot of our collective disappointment as present exists in the context of unrealistic hope, perpetuated by that one big win, and a little by our near comeback against Colgate.
This will not be a ride for the faint of heart.
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Post by thecrossisback on Sept 30, 2018 10:50:32 GMT -5
That game hurt. The REFS SUCKED! Never reviewed the touchdownw on third down sneak! I was in the end zone and he extended the ball over the plain. Also the safety was a safety on first down to. They definitely should not have loss to a bad Bucknell team though. That hurt. Offensive play calling sucked. 4th down from the 1 hand the ball off from the shotgun. Also get the ball to Bell more, they can't stop him.
Better show me something on tv at New Hampshire or no reason to go to a game the rest of the season. Season tickets or no season tickets.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 30, 2018 10:56:47 GMT -5
The level of play at present is sort of what I expected heading into a season of transition. However, the Yale game, similar to the UNH and UConn games last year, gave what I can best describe as a fleeting moment of hope that we were somehow going to bypass 2-3 years of growing pains. I wonder if a lot of our collective disappointment as present exists in the context of unrealistic hope, perpetuated by that one big win, and a little by our near comeback against Colgate. This will not be a ride for the faint of heart. This will not be a ride for the faint of heart.nor should it be. after all we are "Crusaders"!
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Post by gks on Sept 30, 2018 11:25:09 GMT -5
I think a lot of you are over-estimating the talent level on the team. Pujals hid a lot of deficiencies. Receivers are slow...quarterbacks that have played so far make poor decisions and the defensive secondary is not very good. D-Line and LBs have played well. Hopefully next few recruiting classes will bring in some much-needed talent. This year's Junior class is contributing nearly nothing this year. Not good for next season.
It will get worse before it gets better.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 30, 2018 11:27:15 GMT -5
Perhaps it will. But that is not a given, is it?
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 30, 2018 11:40:10 GMT -5
Perhaps it will. But that is not a given, is it? true, things may very well get worst but last time i looked the game is played on the field, not in crossports. GO 'SADERS!
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 30, 2018 14:23:13 GMT -5
It's hard to believe but Bucknell has now won 3 straight at Fitton - and they have been a mediocre team for a long time
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Post by hc87 on Sept 30, 2018 14:50:17 GMT -5
We will be bettah next year but the record may not show it...schedule may even be tougher next year.
I think we're looking at 2020, 2021 or so before we may be very competitive both in and out of conference play.
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Post by Ignutz on Oct 1, 2018 10:55:31 GMT -5
I saw Austin Butler in the stands on Saturday. He's a beast, and he would have scored on the 3rd & goal or the 4th & goal. Or both, if they would have let him.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 1, 2018 11:01:46 GMT -5
lol I have to agree. I would never want to be someone between him and his goal!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 1, 2018 11:15:13 GMT -5
How bout a goal line package with Derek Mountain in the backfield?
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Post by putter1 on Oct 1, 2018 14:48:39 GMT -5
How bout a goal line package with Derek Mountain in the backfield? How about an offensive line that could have gotten a little push at the goal line?
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Post by putter1 on Oct 1, 2018 14:50:45 GMT -5
Sure - To me, what not putting your offense in a position to make plays means running an offensive scheme that doesn't allow your best players to make plays and put points on the board. We're playing offense like we're up by 35 points. Running the same running plays over and over again and not utilizing our speed at the receiver positions (both vertically and horizontally) is killing us. thanks. I also think there is quite a bit of stubbornness on someone's part w/regards to running these plays. what scheme would you run?
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Post by thecrossisback on Oct 1, 2018 17:01:17 GMT -5
How bout a goal line package with Derek Mountain in the backfield? How about an offensive line that could have gotten a little push at the goal line? Both are good points. But Wade scored on the QB sneak. I was in the endzone on the play. Also if you watch the Tv broadcast, he was in. I do not know why they did not review it on third down or QB sneak again on 4th. Also if cozier went left he is in, he jumped and got stuffed.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 2, 2018 7:34:00 GMT -5
thanks. I also think there is quite a bit of stubbornness on someone's part w/regards to running these plays. what scheme would you run? One where your runners don't start deep in the backfield when you are in a short yardage situation; or at least doesn't require the qb and running back to stand there and figure out where the hole is. Too many bodies coming at you in a small area. Yes, requires more of a push and maybe HCs OL cannot do that now or 5 games from now, admittedly.
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Post by putter1 on Oct 2, 2018 10:03:48 GMT -5
what scheme would you run? One where your runners don't start deep in the backfield when you are in a short yardage situation; or at least doesn't require the qb and running back to stand there and figure out where the hole is. Too many bodies coming at you in a small area. Yes, requires more of a push and maybe HCs OL cannot do that now or 5 games from now, admittedly. If the offensive line doesn't block it doesn't matter what play is called.
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