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Post by putter1 on Sept 30, 2018 16:43:27 GMT -5
Sorry, while I think Coach Chesney was a great hire, I am not giving him 2-3 years to turn the program around. I may be thick, and have been accused of that in the past, but I don't "buy" that we had a bad team last year and Chesney is building from scratch. I also don't buy the crap that you are what your record says you are. And, I also don't buy that this bad start is all because we've lost Pujals. The O-line last year was filled with 5th year seniors and played poorly in most games. We've got a younger, smaller but perhaps ultimately better line as the bar was set pretty low to jump over up front. The play calling has been as bad as under Rock (who should have been fired, not "promoted" to interim head coach). Chesney took truly bad programs and turned them around almost immediately. I thought, and still have hope, that he'll do the same at HC. As for him understanding the speed of D-I teams, the opponents may have more speed than he faced at Assumption but the HC players should also have the same speed too. Gilliam is a jet. Cozier is quick as he showed especially in the first quarter yesterday. But he doesn't have the heft or strength to making dives up the middle. And while I can't judge Dorsey's speed, my prediction is at 6'3" and able to get open, and great hands, he's got a shot at the NFL. Unless you can make a case that the plays that are run are different in D-IAA then D-II or D-III, I don't think that's an excuse. College football is college football. The players are better, faster and bigger but that it on both sides of the ball - unless you are playing BC or Syracuse. This is a young and inexperienced team and they will get better but thought they'd be further along. Wade is neither young nor inexperienced. He is not getting the job done. Is that on him or the coaches/play calling? I think it is a little of both.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 30, 2018 17:25:23 GMT -5
I will make three additional observations. 1.) The opening kickoff was returned from 2-3 yards deep in the endzone by a player not named K. Raymond. He struggled to get to the 16 yard line. Unless the film showed Bucknell's kickoff team to be ponderously slow, he should have been instructed to take a knee. That is coaching. 2.) Last year, Cole Tracy attempted 29 FG. This year, through five games, HC kickers have attempted three. 3.) Assumption is 4-1. Their one loss was to Kutztown by four points., Kutztown is a traditionally strong team. In each of their four victories, the Greyhounds have not scored fewer than 49 points. What all three suggest to me is that coaches whose entire experience is in Div II and III have not yet adjusted to the speed and recognition ability of defenses in Division !. . Since I have actually seen Assumption this season and the two years previously in addition to Holy Cross I can speak to this. Assumption has DEPTH in the athletic positions and will be sending a wide receiver to an NFL camp in the summer of 2019 while their QB's can run Chesney's system. The Cole Tracy comment is a little bit out of line though as the kid is currently kicking in the SEC and was the top kicker in D-2 AND D-3 in the nation last season while playing for a powerhouse program. Kutztown dominated the first half of that Assumption game until the greyhounds found their footing and came back on them. They just put themselves in too deep of a hole to come back from. And yes, I believe Assumption beats Holy Cross if they played right now by a score of 35-10.
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Post by putter1 on Sept 30, 2018 17:29:46 GMT -5
Unlike our offense, putter, you are fast out of the gate as a poster. Educate us non-players where Phreek is wrong. I didn't play at Holy Cross either but my observation has been that we routinely run back kickoffs in the end zone with absolutely no immediate evaluation to stay or return when the ball doesn't go through the end zone and a required touchback. We have very, very rarely made it back to the 25 where we would start if the kick receiver took a knee. This indicates to me that Chesney is a risk taker more than other coaches we've had. Not a bad thing necessarily but certainly the results have been less than if we took a knee and thus we start in not as good field position. Phreek's second observation, and that's what it was, an observation, not a critique, was that we have attempted less field goals. I haven't checked his stat but when it comes to those, I'll put my money on him rather than you as a novice here. He's got a proven track record here. I have also observed that we have a long-range placekicker in Ng who comes to us with a great reputation. He hasn't attempted many FGs. Of course, that's mostly because the offense hasn't gotten us even close enough for him to try. His third is about Chesney's former team. I am not sure what his point was other than that Assumption is doing well even with Chesney now departed and they are a high scoring team. It's an observation and until he posts some conclusions, that's what they are. And that's true whether he played football or otherwise. I am grateful for the many perspectives that our many posters bring to the discussion: ex-football players, LAX players, non-alums, stat geeks, Worcesterites, and even our Patriot League opponents or other interested folks, etc. Just because he didn't play, doesn't mean Phreek can't make a contribution to the discussion. You receive the ball 2-3 yards in the end zone and he runs the ball back to the 16. Bad coaching? If he ran the ball back to the 35 would that be good coaching? The answer to those questions are both no. If you've watched the games there have been times when he made it past the 25 and times he did not. With the poor offense, I would say it it's worth the gamble. I have really no response to the field goal observation except what difference does it make how many field goals they kicked at Assumption. That has nothing to do with anything. If you're going to have an observation atleast make it relative to this years team. The bottom line is this: You can bash the OC all you want but Josh Mcdaniels wouldn't do much better. Most of you didn't want Chesney and are hoping he fails. He will not. He's doing a great job with the program and all of you know that but need someone to bash. Here's a few facts for you: HC had a quarterback last year that made it to the final cut of the NFL. His replacements are at best D3 caliber quarterbacks. Wade can hit open receivers but when the primary receiver is covered he's too slow in finding the secondary receiver. Go back and watch the Bucknell game and you'll see receivers 20 yards open at least 3 times but Wade never saw them. Not the OC fault. There is no speed on this team. The receivers are an average bunch who can get separation sometimes but don't have a qb that can get them the ball like last year. The running backs don't have the speed to continually run outside and they also have very poor vision. There were too many times when they could have broken a long run but made the wrong cut. The defense does a good job and has been solid for the most part. They don't however have any play makers like the safety from Dartmouth. Special teams has had a few breakdowns but for the most part have been pretty solid. You can second guess the blocked punt but it was the right thing to do. They don't have a dynamic returner which has been a problem. Because of the lack of scoring they need to create offense somewhere else. What bothers me the most is how people jumped all over the OC after the first series at Colgate. Give the guy a break. Too may of you are obsessed with this D2,3 thing. You all should do some research about the coach from Austin Peay. I'm not sure how people thought this team would be better than 1 win at this time.They had no business being in the game against Colgate or Yale and I agree they shouldn't have lost to Bucknell. This is not a good FCS football team. You can complain about the coaches all you want but there is very little talent. Things won't get better unless they have better talent. The old saying about Billy and Joes and not x's and O's rings true for this team. Some of you can't accept that fact but it's true. Talk to any coach off the record and they will tell you the same thing.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 30, 2018 17:35:45 GMT -5
Unlike our offense, putter, you are fast out of the gate as a poster. Educate us non-players where Phreek is wrong. I didn't play at Holy Cross either but my observation has been that we routinely run back kickoffs in the end zone with absolutely no immediate evaluation to stay or return when the ball doesn't go through the end zone and a required touchback. We have very, very rarely made it back to the 25 where we would start if the kick receiver took a knee. This indicates to me that Chesney is a risk taker more than other coaches we've had. Not a bad thing necessarily but certainly the results have been less than if we took a knee and thus we start in not as good field position. Phreek's second observation, and that's what it was, an observation, not a critique, was that we have attempted less field goals. I haven't checked his stat but when it comes to those, I'll put my money on him rather than you as a novice here. He's got a proven track record here. I have also observed that we have a long-range placekicker in Ng who comes to us with a great reputation. He hasn't attempted many FGs. Of course, that's mostly because the offense hasn't gotten us even close enough for him to try. His third is about Chesney's former team. I am not sure what his point was other than that Assumption is doing well even with Chesney now departed and they are a high scoring team. It's an observation and until he posts some conclusions, that's what they are. And that's true whether he played football or otherwise. I am grateful for the many perspectives that our many posters bring to the discussion: ex-football players, LAX players, non-alums, stat geeks, Worcesterites, and even our Patriot League opponents or other interested folks, etc. Just because he didn't play, doesn't mean Phreek can't make a contribution to the discussion. . Most of you didn't want Chesney and are hoping he fails. He will not. He's doing a great job with the program and all of you know that but need someone to bash. I agree with a lot of your points, but I don't really think most people are hoping Chesney fails, I really don't.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 30, 2018 17:40:37 GMT -5
My larger point about the kickoff return is that, to date, HC has returned 22 kickoffs. the average return is 18 yards. (The opponent kickoff return average is 28 yards.)
My point about the FG attempts is that this is a proxy for whether HC is generating enough offense to give the team good field position from which to score points.. (Given 29 FG attempts, this wasn't a problem for Assumption's offense last year.) HC, through five games, has scored a total of 31 points in quarters one through three (six of those points were off a blocked punt). Opponents have scored 139 points through three quarters (includes one INT return)
I am looking for improvement in the HC offense, game-to-game. In the last two games, HC has scored a total of seven points over quarters 1-3. That's regression..
My point about Assumption is that Assumption hasn't seemed to have dropped a beat from last year. And if CTG was still coaching HC this year, and the record was what it is, the drums would be beating and there would be posters on this board pointing to Chesney at Assumption as the type of coach HC should hire.
As for Chesney leaving Assumption with a fairly full cupboard, how full was the cupboard?
The starting Assumption QB in 2018 attempted 25 passes in 2017. Assumption's leading rusher in 2018 had 68 rushes, for 300 yards, in 2017 Assumption's second leading rusher in 2018 is a freshman Assumption's leading receiver in 2018 had two receptions for one yard in 2017. Assumption's second leading receiver in 2018 had 61 receptions for 810 yards in 2017..
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Post by timholycross on Sept 30, 2018 18:10:13 GMT -5
Moose, I would definitely say the "43" guy is not in on coach c, and is using coach m as the easiest way to keep taking shots at him. Don't know his motivation, his avatar might indicate he was a former Gilmore or Allen player (if that's him in his avatar that is an end-of-the-Allen-regime jersey). I believe in Coach Chesney and definitely think he was headed in the right direction until Liam Cohen departed unexpectedly prior to the season. He did the best he could with the Murphy hire, however, he does not have the resume/pedigree to be at an FCS program. The great thing about football (and most sports) is that it is driven by outcome and removes the constant focus on political correctness. Murphy may be a great person, but he is not a good football coach at any level (the statistics back that up). I played with Chris Smith and Ari Confessor and would feel more confident at this stage in putting them into game planning/play calling role. That may be ignorant, but what is there to lose? There is NO FUTURE with Murphy and the team is in a worst place than they were last year. I did play for Coach Allen in 2003 and was part of a 1-11 team that was horrendous. The following years under Gilmore we went 3-8, 6-5, and then 7-4 (should have been 8-3, however, we missed two, 20 yard field goals). During my time at HC, I had four position coaches and four defensive coordinators, but always improved and generated better outcomes (as a player and as as team). I played with 6sader7 and we witnessed probably 40-50 different coaches/players quit the program from 2003-2006. To be honest, I think the "no bs" approach helped the program greatly and left the strongest contingent. I respect many people on this board and love HC, however, take a more black/white, old school approach when looking at results. If I didn't have that mentality, I wouldn't have graduated from HC or be talking on this board. Thanks for the most respectful reply. You could have easily answered differently. I guess it would come down to what Chesney thinks is in the best interests of the program, which none of us know. He's ultimately the one who has to figure this out.
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Post by gks on Sept 30, 2018 18:10:39 GMT -5
Assumption plays a two QB system. Williamson is a transfer from Monmouth and the other Monks played most of last year. Their leading receiver last year, Ashton Grant I believe, had a tryout with the Chiefs. As someone mentioned earlier Chesney built depth at Assumption. No stupid roster limits there. Watch the Greyhounds before throwing stats around without context.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 30, 2018 18:24:24 GMT -5
Offensive statistics in prior years by player
In 2017 Alexander was 3rd leading rusher 4,5 per rush average Cozier was 4th leading rusher 5.5 yards per rush average, highest on the team
Bell was leading receiver with 46 receptions, averaged 13,1 yards per catch Dorsey was second leaving receiver, 43 receptions, 13.7 yards a catch DeNicola only played in four games, was the fourth leading receiver, 9.8 yards a catch Montgomery was fifth leading receiver, averaging 9.5 yards a catch Ayeni was seventh leading receiver, 13.8 yards a catch Mountain was the ninth leading receiver, with 10 catches for 87 yards. Cozier and Alexander had a total of 16 receptions. Two backs who graduated had 17 receptions.
QBs in 2016. PP started four games. Wade started 5 games, Bell started 3 games
Efficiency rating: PP 129.85, Wade 144.44, Bell 82.42 Completions / Attempts / Interceptions / TDs: PP 111 / 175 / 5 / 10 Wade 90 / 143 / 3 / 7 Bell 43 / 80 / 4 / 1
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 30, 2018 18:42:00 GMT -5
Assumption plays a two QB system. Williamson is a transfer from Monmouth and the other Monks played most of last year. Their leading receiver last year, Ashton Grant I believe, had a tryout with the Chiefs. As someone mentioned earlier Chesney built depth at Assumption. No stupid roster limits there. Watch the Greyhounds before throwing stats around without context. Monks is a grad student, and is 13 for 26 in 2018. Williams is 86 of 122. Assumption has 94 players on the roster. Div II schools are limited to 36 full scollie equivalents.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 30, 2018 18:47:17 GMT -5
"If you've watched the games there have been times when he made it past the 25 and times he did not." I have watched every game, every play. I haven't kept score on this and while I agree that "sometimes" the returner made it past the 25, my gut reaction was most times the returner did not. Implicitly, you seem to be agreeing with me that Chesney is taking the chance something will be created on the return that he can't get from the offense. But, you also say we don't have a "dynamic returner." I know you are talking about punt returns but if we also don't have a dynamic kickoff returner, why not take the knee for the automatic 25 yard placement? ". . . field goal observation except what difference does it make how many field goals they kicked at Assumption." I am with you there but Phreek just posted his response. As I posted previously, we have a real weapon with Ng but have not been able to use him due to poor field position. It's like having an artillery piece that is deadly at 45 miles but we can't get within 60 miles of the enemy. "You can bash the OC all you want but Josh Mcdaniels wouldn't do much better. Most of you didn't want Chesney and are hoping he fails." First, I disagree that the OC essentially makes no difference and, as a former player, I suspect you really don't mean that. Otherwise, I'll take the job. As to wanting Chesney to fail, I am certainly not in that camp. I've met him personally twice and I want nothing more for him than great success. And, I think if you scour the past Crossports posts you will find the vast majority of posters here are, and have been, "all in" for our head coach. In fact, some posters here were pushing Chesney before many of us had even heard of him. The ones who weren't supportive in the beginning wanted a more experienced D-IAA or even D-IA head coach or coordinator. Once Bob got hired and his story of success got out, almost unanimous support for his success. As for the rest of your post, you seem pretty down on the quality of players on the current team and in order to understand a little better, perhaps share your time/position with the team, as you seem to be more than dismissive. On the one hand, you say that our receivers have no speed and in the next breath you say there were 3 times that they were open by 20 yards. I have a tough time reconciling those two statements. I'll take Dorsey over many of our past receivers and Gilliam is fast. Bell and DiNicola might have been playing when you were (just a guess on my part and quite willing to be corrected). Please elaborate that our RBs don't have the speed to run "continually" outside.I'll admit my ignorance here. If they are fast enough to get around the corner and then can't, I would have assumed that was mostly due to defensive adjustments rather than a sudden inability to be fast enough. What do you think about Cozier? Fast? Quick? or neither? And would you have him running up the middle on a 4th and goal from the 2 or 3 yard line? If not, who is that on? I also agree with you that our runners sometimes, not always, make the wrong cut. But that is easier to spot when you are in the stands like me. Wade seems to be playing because he is more mobile than Clifford. Many of us agree that he goes to his #1 receiver but can't mentally adjust and look for his 2nd, much less 3rd receiver. And, he does telegraph his passes. So, putter, your thoughts on possibly throwing in Degenhardt against UNH? If you give any credence to those recruiting sites, he was a 3*. And the other two haven't gotten it done.
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Post by jkh67 on Sept 30, 2018 19:39:51 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to watch much HC football yet this year, but we all knew this year's schedule was daunting and some thought Gilmore left a fairly bare cupboard when his tenure was belatedly...very belatedly IMHO...terminated mid-season last year. I can't assess the cupboard question, but the schedule is certainly daunting. I'm no football wizard and, even if I were, I'm far removed from the actual current football program. So, sitting back and quietly watching what happens over the next 2-3 years is the only sensible way to go for me. If Chesney is the right guy to change Crusader football fortunes...or if he is not...we'll know by then. In the meantime, less Sturm und Drang is probably in order. Let's give the guy a chance, for Chrissakes!
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Post by inhocsigno on Sept 30, 2018 21:36:49 GMT -5
I have been warned by Dean Wormer twice for the same post, which simply said to get out here with that dumb opinion. The dean deleted the post - fascism - so let me be clear without profanity. Anyone who thinks that Assumption could beat HC is crazy. It is an asinine position.
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Post by inhocsigno on Sept 30, 2018 22:12:51 GMT -5
I will make three additional observations. 1.) The opening kickoff was returned from 2-3 yards deep in the endzone by a player not named K. Raymond. He struggled to get to the 16 yard line. Unless the film showed Bucknell's kickoff team to be ponderously slow, he should have been instructed to take a knee. That is coaching. 2.) Last year, Cole Tracy attempted 29 FG. This year, through five games, HC kickers have attempted three. 3.) Assumption is 4-1. Their one loss was to Kutztown by four points., Kutztown is a traditionally strong team. In each of their four victories, the Greyhounds have not scored fewer than 49 points. What all three suggest to me is that coaches whose entire experience is in Div II and III have not yet adjusted to the speed and recognition ability of defenses in Division !. . Since I have actually seen Assumption this season and the two years previously in addition to Holy Cross I can speak to this. Assumption has DEPTH in the athletic positions and will be sending a wide receiver to an NFL camp in the summer of 2019 while their QB's can run Chesney's system. The Cole Tracy comment is a little bit out of line though as the kid is currently kicking in the SEC and was the top kicker in D-2 AND D-3 in the nation last season while playing for a powerhouse program. Kutztown dominated the first half of that Assumption game until the greyhounds found their footing and came back on them. They just put themselves in too deep of a hole to come back from. And yes, I believe Assumption beats Holy Cross if they played right now by a score of 35-10. Without personally attacking Mr. Foley, as the Dean thought I was when I said get out here with his opinion that assumption could beat HC, and then Wormer told me to go start my board if I wanted to say get out of here re same, let me be clear to Mr Foley that I apologize if he thought was attacking him personally, when I was simply saying that his opinion is a load of sh*t.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 30, 2018 22:30:41 GMT -5
Since I have actually seen Assumption this season and the two years previously in addition to Holy Cross I can speak to this. Assumption has DEPTH in the athletic positions and will be sending a wide receiver to an NFL camp in the summer of 2019 while their QB's can run Chesney's system. The Cole Tracy comment is a little bit out of line though as the kid is currently kicking in the SEC and was the top kicker in D-2 AND D-3 in the nation last season while playing for a powerhouse program. Kutztown dominated the first half of that Assumption game until the greyhounds found their footing and came back on them. They just put themselves in too deep of a hole to come back from. And yes, I believe Assumption beats Holy Cross if they played right now by a score of 35-10. Without personally attacking Mr. Foley, as the Dean thought I was when I said get out here with his opinion that assumption could beat HC, and then Wormer told me to go start my board if I wanted to say get out of here re same, let me be clear to Mr Foley that I apologize if he thought was attacking him personally, when I was simply saying that his opinion is a load of sh*t. Oh, I don't care about you attacking me but there are players over at Assumption that could easily star at Holy Cross right now. First one is Deonte Harris who is only 5'6 but has 22 catches for an average of 20.4 yards per catch. He also returns kicks and punts as teams are NOT letting him return kicks at all. He has only two kickoff returns for an average of 16 yards per return while on punts he has a 28.3 yard average in six attempts. He is averaging 130 all-purpose yards a game. I know the strategy that Kutztown was doing with him was to put it out of bounds on punts and kick it to an up back. Lets be honest, there isn't a huge difference between playing in one of the top D-2 programs in the country or the bottom of the Patriot League.
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Post by inhocsigno on Sept 30, 2018 22:46:12 GMT -5
Without personally attacking Mr. Foley, as the Dean thought I was when I said get out here with his opinion that assumption could beat HC, and then Wormer told me to go start my board if I wanted to say get out of here re same, let me be clear to Mr Foley that I apologize if he thought was attacking him personally, when I was simply saying that his opinion is a load of sh*t. Oh, I don't care about you attacking me but there are players over at Assumption that could easily star at Holy Cross right now. First one is Deonte Harris who is only 5'6 but has 22 catches for an average of 20.4 yards per catch. He also returns kicks and punts as teams are NOT letting him return kicks at all. He has only two kickoff returns for an average of 16 yards per return while on punts he has a 28.3 yard average in six attempts. He is averaging 130 all-purpose yards a game. I know the strategy that Kutztown was doing with him was to put it out of bounds on punts and kick it to an up back. Lets be honest, there isn't a huge difference between playing in one of the top D-2 programs in the country or the bottom of the Patriot League. Playing vs. DII competition can make a lot players look good. Of course, there are players at that level that can play at the next level and even higher, but for the most part, they playing there for a reason. You are simply delusional.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 23:36:19 GMT -5
inhocsigno In all seriousness, you would take Holy Cross if they were -10 against Assumption this week?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 23:37:23 GMT -5
Assumption won 66-3 against St Anselm and Murphy (our OC) only won 19 games over 8 seasons there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 23:50:08 GMT -5
I played with some kids from top div III programs on the US National Team back in 2007 and we would get ABSOLUTELY SMOKED by schools like Mount Union right now.
Despite what most fans think, national powerhouses at the Div II and Div III level could easily dominate majority of the FCS outside of the Big Sky and CAA in 2018. These schools have had a successful system in place for years and find kids that want to win.
If you believe otherwise, you may be "delusional".
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 1, 2018 4:38:32 GMT -5
I think I can safely assume that our former football players here still believe that even on Assumption’s best days under Coach Chesney that the Greyhounds would not have beaten Duffner’s Crusader teams.
Taking it down a notch, would Chesney’s best teams have beaten the Crusaders under Gilmore when he won the PL championship? How about those multiple 7-4 teams when some of you were on them?
I am trying to gauge when the team went so far south that our neighbors across town crossed into superior football.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 1, 2018 5:41:29 GMT -5
I will make three additional observations. 1.) The opening kickoff was returned from 2-3 yards deep in the endzone by a player not named K. Raymond. He struggled to get to the 16 yard line. Unless the film showed Bucknell's kickoff team to be ponderously slow, he should have been instructed to take a knee. That is coaching. 2.) Last year, Cole Tracy attempted 29 FG. This year, through five games, HC kickers have attempted three. 3.) Assumption is 4-1. Their one loss was to Kutztown by four points., Kutztown is a traditionally strong team. In each of their four victories, the Greyhounds have not scored fewer than 49 points. What all three suggest to me is that coaches whose entire experience is in Div II and III have not yet adjusted to the speed and recognition ability of defenses in Division !. . Since I have actually seen Assumption this season and the two years previously in addition to Holy Cross I can speak to this. Assumption has DEPTH in the athletic positions and will be sending a wide receiver to an NFL camp in the summer of 2019 while their QB's can run Chesney's system. The Cole Tracy comment is a little bit out of line though as the kid is currently kicking in the SEC and was the top kicker in D-2 AND D-3 in the nation last season while playing for a powerhouse program. Kutztown dominated the first half of that Assumption game until the greyhounds found their footing and came back on them. They just put themselves in too deep of a hole to come back from. And yes, I believe Assumption beats Holy Cross if they played right now by a score of 35-10. I don't think it is breaking new ground to suggest a top D-II school could beat HC right now. PL is one of the lowest performing FCS leagues in the US, is notoriously slow-footed, and we are 0-2 in that league. I don't think anyone should take this assertion personally or emotionally.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 1, 2018 6:03:42 GMT -5
DA - HC would win by 21, even with Murphy calling plays and our current QB situation. Our JV teams used to beat the likes of Assumption and Bentley varsity squads without the benefit of practices, non-hungover players and full compliment of coaches.
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Post by joe on Oct 1, 2018 6:04:36 GMT -5
One need not speculate on outcomes of games that will never be played to know that PL football has been an abject failure since day 1, and is only getting worse. Even if we wanted to get out we’re basically stuck until if and when we’re back on track as a program. The fact that there is even a half-way serious discussion about losing to D2 or D3 teams says a lot. When I was at HC I didn’t even know where Assumption was or that it had a football team.
I think most of the HC contingent knows that this will take time and patience. I think Crossports attracts some of the more exuberant of us, and often enthusiasm and hope lead to impatience. Gotta give this new coach a couple to 3 years. How he handles the quarterback situation the rest of this year (now that we’re out of contention) and going into next year against Navy and ‘Cuse (yikes!!!!) will be telling. Time to look to the young guns or start collecting transfer resumes. Maybe his ex-kicker has a friend on LSU with good grades who is stuck behind a classmate on the depth chart - we do well with LSU transfers as I recall;)
Time to show us what you got. Figure. It. Out.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 1, 2018 6:05:26 GMT -5
I played with some kids from top div III programs on the US National Team back in 2007 and we would get ABSOLUTELY SMOKED by schools like Mount Union right now. Despite what most fans think, national powerhouses at the Div II and Div III level could easily dominate majority of the FCS outside of the Big Sky and CAA in 2018. These schools have had a successful system in place for years and find kids that want to win. If you believe otherwise, you may be "delusional". Disagreee - There are some exceptional players at every level, but DIII is still DIII
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Post by hcpride on Oct 1, 2018 6:31:11 GMT -5
In 2010 Assumption (D II) beat Fordham (Patriot League) 30-24. Fordham was 5-6 that year and defeated URI, Columbia, Laffy, GU, and Bucknell.
(The following week Holy Cross beat Fordham 36-31 enroute to a 6-5 season.)
The fact that a D II team beat a PL team should not shock anyone. I could imagine the same could occur this year given PL's poor quality.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 1, 2018 7:08:21 GMT -5
Well, just for laughs, I checked what Massey thought. If played today he would have HC a 10 point favorite (34-24). This discussion has about as much use as the old debate about "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" Of course Assumption has some good players. They were recruited, almost entirely under Chesney. Since the two teams will never play each other, why attack each other over opinions that can never be proven either way? Peace.
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