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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 9, 2018 17:02:44 GMT -5
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 10, 2018 7:30:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the share! With all of our recent discussion on the football board about Pine's track record, I am more than a little surprised to hear about the extension. It seems extensions are announced in the off-season shortly after the season ends (successfully) or well before the season starts. 59-62-24 for a .490%. While we have finished in the top half of the conference under Berard, HC has just one winning season, coming in 2015-16.
Having met him and talked shop a few times, I can say he is pretty candid and personable to alums. His pressers are bit too sugar coated for my taste. Give me playoff results!
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 10, 2018 8:16:43 GMT -5
Academics first, obviously.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 10, 2018 8:25:06 GMT -5
His record in the playoffs is astonishingly poor.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 10, 2018 8:34:10 GMT -5
“We are encouraged by the steady progress of our men’s hockey program under David’s leadership,” said Pine.
What the hell is he talking about?
Year 1: 14-18-5 (Playoffs: 1-2) Year 2: 18-13-5 (Playoffs: 0-2) Year 3: 14-15-7 (Playoffs: 0-2) Year 4: 13-16-7 (Playoffs: 0-2)
How on earth could you look at those results and actually believe there is "steady progress?"
And what is the reason for extending him through 2022? Nobody is going to be trying to pull Berard away, and if we are truly serious about the Hockey East, it has become pretty clear that we would need a significant upgrade in coaching.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2018 8:47:17 GMT -5
Well, may his coming years at HC show steady improvement in this and in coming years!
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Post by alum on Oct 10, 2018 8:53:38 GMT -5
“We are encouraged by the steady progress of our men’s hockey program under David’s leadership,” said Pine.What the hell is he talking about? Year 1: 14-18-5 (Playoffs: 1-2) Year 2: 18-13-5 (Playoffs: 0-2) Year 3: 14-15-7 (Playoffs: 0-2) Year 4: 13-16-7 (Playoffs: 0-2) How on earth could you look at those results and actually believe there is "steady progress?" And what is the reason for extending him through 2022? Nobody is going to be trying to pull Berard away, an d if we are truly serious about the Hockey East, it has become pretty clear that we would need a significant upgrade in coaching. That's true. UConn, where he was the interim head coach, had the chance to keep him when they joined HE and they chose to go in a different direction and hired Mike Cavanaugh, a lifelong assistant. I don't think Berard has done a horrible job, but an extension of this length seems questionable.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Oct 10, 2018 8:55:53 GMT -5
If we were serious about Hockey Anywhere, forget the Hockey East, we would have done what it took to keep Pearl and capitalize on the biggest upset in NCAA history. Instead, we squandered a fantastic opportunity. So when you botch the deal with the pretty, pre-med co-ed at the bar, you have to take home the slampig who's left at the end of the night and do the deed.
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 10, 2018 9:01:37 GMT -5
If we were serious about Hockey Anywhere, forget the Hockey East, we would have done what it took to keep Pearl and capitalize on the biggest upset in NCAA history. Instead, we squandered a fantastic opportunity. So when you botch the deal with the pretty, pre-med co-ed at the bar, you have to take home the slampig who's left at the end of the night and do the deed. Dude, that's what we do.
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Post by alum on Oct 10, 2018 9:05:04 GMT -5
If we were serious about Hockey Anywhere, forget the Hockey East, we would have done what it took to keep Pearl and capitalize on the biggest upset in NCAA history. Instead, we squandered a fantastic opportunity. So when you botch the deal with the pretty, pre-med co-ed at the bar, you have to take home the slampig who's left at the end of the night and do the deed. Really? Please tell me that your account has been hacked, that you pocket posted, that you were typing out a transcript of your summer calendars from 1982 and accidentally cut and pasted it here, that you don't use the term co-ed which was objectionable by the time you were in college.......Please, please, please. Perhaps if you had daughters, or sisters, or a mother, you would realize that this is not funny but rather truly horrible and should have been left when you cleaned out your room in Wheeler all those years ago.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 10, 2018 9:25:41 GMT -5
WCHC, I suspect if you really put some thought into it, you could have worded your last post differently and still gotten your point across.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 10, 2018 9:32:10 GMT -5
“We are encouraged by the steady progress of our men’s hockey program under David’s leadership,” said Pine. And it's not like we are poised to compete for the league title this year. That's if we are to go by where we are selected in the preseason poll (8th). Another sub .500 season and early exit in the playoffs will really make me scratch my head with why Pine felt the need to give him an extension all the way through 2022.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 10, 2018 9:58:06 GMT -5
“We are encouraged by the steady progress of our men’s hockey program under David’s leadership,” said Pine. And it's not like we are poised to compete for the league title this year. That's if we are to go by where we are selected in the preseason poll (8th). Another sub .500 season and early exit in the playoffs will really make me scratch my head with why Pine felt the need to give him an extension all the way through 2022. We are? I don't see a press release about that on the Holy Cross website, so like Lattimore and the basketball miscreants, it must just not have happened. Nothing to see here, carry on!
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2018 9:58:43 GMT -5
Could there have been any performance contingencies built into the extension?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 10, 2018 10:12:38 GMT -5
It seems that some of our board contributors must have recently been watching the movie animal house and are channeling their inner Doug Neidermeyer with their recent comments. I cannnot standby without noting my objection.
One would hope that we have progressed from the misogynistic attitudes that were abundantly pervasive when we attended HC over 50 years ago.
Apparently not. If one is willing to make such a comment on this board, I can only imagine what their inner thoughts are. Hope their is some reflection regarding this myopic comment, and if you have a wife, daughter, or sister, you will view your comment differently in light of how they are viewed by someone with a similar view as you.
I pray that when my granddaughters grow up, when they encounter such a situation, that the perps meet a fate similar to the character Doug Neidermeyer. If you are enlightened, I need say no more.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Oct 10, 2018 11:01:27 GMT -5
Wow the backlash... I didn't realize this was Twitter where everyone feels they have the right to address all statements from the moral pulpit, not simply to right wrongs, but to openly criticize. You're right: "Co-ed" was not used as a term, pejorative or otherwise, while I was at HC. I also was never a resident (or a fan) of Wheeler, but I do understand where you were going with that jab so, thanks for that. I do have a wife and a daughter (and a mother too, but I guess that one is obvious). To reference my analogy above, they have been (in the the case of my wife) and probably will be I guess (in the case of my daughter) hit on at a bar. I'm not advocating rape/assault, and if you took it that far, it is you who missed the mark and extrapolated beyond the pale. The point was that if you don't capitalize on a prime opportunity when you have the chance, you'll only be left to negotiate with the leftovers. And the scraps are leftovers for a reason.
I know my audience. My objective was to prove a point. Sticking strictly to the sentiment, HC athletics in my time has wallowed in mediocrity, and either through dumb luck or divine intervention, still gets the occasional opportunity to seize success and ride it up the ladder. Instead, "they"-- rather than simply miss the opportunity, benign enough in its own right-- actively make some of the dumbest, mind-numbing decisions and destroy said opportunity.
And the part that is even more frustrating? Six pages of folks on Crossports wondering: "Well, maybe now we can slap a rink on the back of the Luth..." "Maybe Pearl will just quit and come back to HC. After all, he still follows us on Twitter..." "We can DEFINITELY out-earn the Worcester Rail-Riders..." The simple tasks that need to be taken to make football, basketball, and hockey successful are not taken, time and time again. And in the face of that, we all wonder what outrageous or unlikely events will occur to overcome that.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 10, 2018 11:07:49 GMT -5
I got the joke, WCHC.
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Post by alum on Oct 10, 2018 13:53:29 GMT -5
Wow the backlash... I didn't realize this was Twitter where everyone feels they have the right to address all statements from the moral pulpit, not simply to right wrongs, but to openly criticize. You're right: "Co-ed" was not used as a term, pejorative or otherwise, while I was at HC. I also was never a resident (or a fan) of Wheeler, but I do understand where you were going with that jab so, thanks for that. I do have a wife and a daughter (and a mother too, but I guess that one is obvious). To reference my analogy above, they have been (in the the case of my wife) and probably will be I guess (in the case of my daughter) hit on at a bar (Actually, what was objectional was your reference to a woman you might "hit on at a bar" as a "slampig." I'm not advocating rape/assault, and if you took it that far ( I did not), it is you who missed the mark and extrapolated beyond the pale. The point was that if you don't capitalize on a prime opportunity when you have the chance, you'll only be left to negotiate with the leftovers. (I agree as to HC sports. Your analogy, on the other hand, was offensive) And the scraps are leftovers for a reason (And here you are calling a woman "scraps" and "leftovers.") I know my audience. My objective was to prove a point. Sticking strictly to the sentiment, HC athletics in my time has wallowed in mediocrity, and either through dumb luck or divine intervention, still gets the occasional opportunity to seize success and ride it up the ladder. Instead, "they"-- rather than simply miss the opportunity, benign enough in its own right-- actively make some of the dumbest, mind-numbing decisions and destroy said opportunity. (I would agree.)And the part that is even more frustrating? Six pages of folks on Crossports wondering: "Well, maybe now we can slap a rink on the back of the Luth..." "Maybe Pearl will just quit and come back to HC. After all, he still follows us on Twitter..." "We can DEFINITELY out-earn the Worcester Rail-Riders..." The simple tasks that need to be taken to make football, basketball, and hockey successful are not taken, time and time again. (I have to assume that TPTB are not necessarily pursuing all of the crazy ideas people post here.) And in the face of that, we all wonder what outrageous or unlikely events will occur to overcome that. I think that some might not say that slotting women into "pretty, premed coed at the bar" or "slampig" categories might not really be funny.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2018 14:39:32 GMT -5
The latter was particularly nasty...and certainly unnecessary.
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Post by crusader12 on Oct 10, 2018 14:49:32 GMT -5
If we were serious about Hockey Anywhere, forget the Hockey East, we would have done what it took to keep Pearl and capitalize on the biggest upset in NCAA history. Instead, we squandered a fantastic opportunity. So when you botch the deal with the pretty, pre-med co-ed at the bar, you have to take home the slampig who's left at the end of the night and do the deed. Really? Please tell me that your account has been hacked, that you pocket posted, that you were typing out a transcript of your summer calendars from 1982 and accidentally cut and pasted it here, that you don't use the term co-ed which was objectionable by the time you were in college.......Please, please, please. Perhaps if you had daughters, or sisters, or a mother, you would realize that this is not funny but rather truly horrible and should have been left when you cleaned out your room in Wheeler all those years ago. Give me a break!
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Post by matunuck on Oct 10, 2018 19:23:37 GMT -5
Keep an eye on Hockey East. It’s coming soon for our men’s squad, I predict.
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Post by crossbball13 on Oct 10, 2018 19:49:47 GMT -5
Keep an eye on Hockey East. It’s coming soon for our men’s squad, I predict. Losing in the AHA vs losing in the hockey east. What’s the difference.
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Post by alum on Oct 10, 2018 20:12:21 GMT -5
Keep an eye on Hockey East. It’s coming soon for our men’s squad, I predict. Losing in the AHA vs losing in the hockey east. What’s the difference. Less travel for the team. More games on TV for us
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Post by HC92 on Oct 10, 2018 20:48:22 GMT -5
Extension is a head-scratcher. Easier to recruit with the extension but tough to say it’s justified by the results on the ice. Berard seems like a good guy so I hope he’s successful but the results thus far have not been great, particularly when the games really matter. If we truly are headed for HE in the near future, it seems like it would have been more prudent to hold off on the extension, see what this year brings and see what the candidate pool might look like if we are invited to Hockey East before the end of this season.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 10, 2018 22:44:23 GMT -5
For better or worse there are certain members of HC's athletic brass who feel Berard has juice within HE based on his time in the league both as a player and asst coach.
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