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Post by td128 on Apr 4, 2019 9:51:50 GMT -5
IMO, when an individual or group calls for an independent investigator/counsel in lieu of or in addition to the current counsel that reports to the President, that strikes me as a vote of NO CONFIDENCE. Recall that members of the faculty were very supportive of the students who protested in Fenwick calling for increased transparency and oversight. Not a stretch to think that those voting for the independent investigator/counsel have been none too pleased with how other situations, especially the Dustin affair, have been handled. In fact, that strikes me as a logical assumption.
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 4, 2019 11:19:51 GMT -5
How can anything paid for by the college be independent? How will a 3rd lawyer make the college's investigation more independent? Unless the faculty assembly wants to take up a collection to pay for it, many will be skeptical of the outcome if it does not show their pre-conceived notion of what it "should" show.
Many faculty members act as if they are in that entitled ivory tower unto themselves and should have things their way regardless of the impact to the greater organization. They use mission when it is convenient (transparency of investigations) and shun it when it is inconvenient (academic freedom).
Fact is, whether they want to admit it or not, the faculty are part of corporation. That is how the college is acting and to a great degree has to act.
When an accusation of sexual misconduct arises, the College has 3 entities to protect ... the accuser (and others who may have been harmed or could be harmed in the future), the accused and his or her reputation by giving him or her due process, and the college by having hard and fast rules regarding employee & student relationships that if violated can lead to termination. It has to do all 3 simultaneously and will never act in a way that is completely satisfactory to all.
Given the mission of the college and higher standard to which it should holds itself, I agree with you that the college can not act as a typical corporation strictly protecting itself from risk of liability. That is how it has acted, particularly in the 2 cases of sexual mis-conduct, but it will occasionally have to bite the bullet, sever ties with an individual possibly prematurely and live with the consequences as they come down. For example, pay Prof. Liew to not teach at the college and no longer be on the faculty or fire James David Christie for cause and let him take you to court for damages.
That is ultimately what I think this introspection will lead to. The investigation into processes is the first step, i.e., define the legal parameters for a process and then build a mission-centric process around that. Unfortunately like a lot of things in academia (and corporations), they don't move quickly and certainly not as quickly as the social change of the last 18 months or so and some faculty member seem to want.
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Post by td128 on Apr 4, 2019 13:34:25 GMT -5
I concur and believe that what you lay out here is a clarion call for real leadership. The faculty vote strikes me as a vote of No Confidence.
Too bad that we are dealing with issues of this nature which certainly do not help Alma Mater instead of a steady stream of victories both on and off the field.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2019 16:03:20 GMT -5
Father B. is under no obligation to place a "Kick Me" sign on his back or place one on the shield. I have confidence in him and like his stiff-arm of the faculty attempt to usurp his decision making role in this instance.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2019 22:29:51 GMT -5
I think CHC8485 and others did a good job pointing out the complexity of each party's rights checking and balancing the other parties. But there is still a need for moral and administrative leadership from the Jesuit President, while we are still lucky enough to have one.
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Post by Tom on Apr 5, 2019 6:56:21 GMT -5
The Jesuits need to appoint a "Gran Inquisidor" to get to the bottom of this mess and enforce admissions of guilt, submission and repentance. Love HC Nobody would expect that
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Post by HCFC45 on Apr 5, 2019 7:45:38 GMT -5
Father B. is under no obligation to place a "Kick Me" sign on his back or place one on the shield. I have confidence in him and like his stiff-arm of the faculty attempt to usurp his decision making role in this instance.Fr. B. should have stiff-armed the faculty back then and saved the Crusader! !
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Post by JRGNYR on Apr 5, 2019 11:42:00 GMT -5
It does come across as an attempt at a power play by the faculty, perhaps sensing an opportunity to exploit a weakness, whether perceived or not, in the President's office.
I do wish Fr. B had done more to stand up for the iconography of the Crusader, but I also think he's right that adding a third lawyer doesn't necessarily solve the situation. Adding a third chef to the kitchen doesn't always yield a better dish.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 6, 2019 11:45:30 GMT -5
IIRC, Christie resigned from HC almost immediately, and the only 'investigation' was by Oberlin, after HC notified Oberlin. If I understood the results of the Oberlin investigation. there were no complaints made against Christie by Oberlin students during the years that Christie taught there. However, the Oberlin investigation did find sufficient mis-conduct after the fact to warrant his dismissal from the faculty.
Which leaves Dustin, and the Greek Orthodox priest who was/is a professor in the philosophy department. Almost nothing has been said publicly about the latter, so no one knows the basis of his 'suspension'. And perhaps the faculty senate, not bound by Dean Wormer's precepts, made assumptions about the women's basketball coach and his departure from the college.
As was pointed out, Liew is an entirely separate matter.
IMO, the action of the faculty senate was done largely in support of Dustin.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 6, 2019 22:20:49 GMT -5
Is Dustin a case of he said, she said, but neither can prove the other wrong? If so, an analogy from the Sports world might make sense. Holy Cross could "trade" him to a distance learning school, such as the University of Phoenix and cover part of his compensation for a few years.
Throw in the proverbial Professor to be named later and the arrangement might reduce a ton of stress for Dustin. He could continue his teaching and scholarship without always looking over his shoulder because student interaction is online and Holy Cross could fund the arrangement from money not spent on lawyers and a possible judgement against the college.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 6, 2019 23:42:30 GMT -5
Uh oh, upon re-thinking this, it sounds too much like what Catholic Bishops did with accused Priests. They transferred them to other Parishes. 🤔
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 9, 2019 21:43:01 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 10, 2019 5:37:35 GMT -5
John Doe sues John Doe. Settlement check mistakenly cashed by wrong John Doe. New suit filed.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 10, 2019 9:20:04 GMT -5
Two areas (numbers mine)? " two areas: (1) Diversity and (2) inclusion and (3) sexual respect"
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Post by rgs318 on May 1, 2019 9:31:53 GMT -5
OK, you saw a clearly different situation at a different college. Why are you trying to make comparisons? Last time I looked, HC had no frats or sororities at all. As to "proclamations to the world, is the world waiting for some statement from a college that many on this forum say no one outside of HC cares about? That seems unlikely. I absolutely oppose sexual abuse and/or sexually inappropriate behavior by anyone. We agree on many points, but, in this case, your example seems a bit off base.
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Post by sader1970 on May 1, 2019 11:21:02 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on May 1, 2019 11:22:44 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on May 1, 2019 12:06:50 GMT -5
I agree with everything you say here. My issue was not with your values, but with Greek traditions and practices. Frats could be social networks of value, but the behavior here shows frats at their worst. I am sensitive to any link of frat behavior and HC. I believe our college was smart to steer clear of the whole Greek system.
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Post by longsuffering on May 1, 2019 12:40:10 GMT -5
Word on the (Easy) Street is the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Planning Team and the Sexual Respect and Conduct Planning Team will face off in frisbee on the Kimball Quad after dinner on the last day of exams. The Anti-Gambling and all other Vices Planning Team is trying to tamp down student wagering on the contest. My apologies for such a casual take on a serious subject. I am both blessed and cursed in being able to chuckle at political correctness. My naïve view is that behaviors that are crimes should be reported promptly to the (not campus) Police and other behaviors should be addressed the way they are in society with natural consequences. Unfortunately the Federal Government (I'm not a Deep-Stater) has turned college campuses into micro criminal justice systems. There is a student at Clark University who is now suing the school because he was found guilty in a he-said-she-said case where they met when the female student was his student mentor of some kind, they both agree that consensual sex happened, but she claims he took his condom off and he claims he didn't. I basically fully support Father B. in everything he does and believe whatever decisions he makes are the best ones for Holy Cross in this day and age. In the comparison to the swiftness of action at Swarthmore, Fr. B. was at a disadvantage because the Fraternity at Swarthmore admitted their bad behavior and chose to disband. Fr. B. could use an easy one like that once in a while. Apparently nobody admits anything in the high profile cases he has been confronted with.
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Post by hcpride on May 1, 2019 15:31:13 GMT -5
Always fun to learn new academic-speak. But this one on page 8 faked me out: Goal #C-1: Students of minority groups should be directed to resources to help them work through possible cases of imposter syndrome
I assumed this referenced people passing as minorities but who really were not...I googled 'imposter syndrome' and found out what it was.
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Post by longsuffering on May 1, 2019 15:50:48 GMT -5
Always fun to learn new academic-speak. But this one on page 8 faked me out: Goal #C-1: Students of minority groups should be directed to resources to help them work through possible cases of imposter syndrome
I assumed this referenced people passing as minorities but who really were not...I googled 'imposter syndrome' and found out what it was. That new academic term is probably in response to a former Harvard Law School Professor who is in the news occasionally.
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Post by hcbando on May 1, 2019 16:26:11 GMT -5
Always fun to learn new academic-speak. But this one on page 8 faked me out: Goal #C-1: Students of minority groups should be directed to resources to help them work through possible cases of imposter syndrome
I assumed this referenced people passing as minorities but who really were not...I googled 'imposter syndrome' and found out what it was. That new academic term is probably in response to a former Harvard Law School Professor who is in the news occasionally. Imposter syndrome has been around as a term since the 1970s. Very common conversation in the medical world, especially those entering residency (personal experience). Quite frequent in most high profile professions and a lot of academic circles. What the HC file was referencing is the fact that minority students and those coming from less affluent high schools or upbringings are at higher risk. Having the feeling that you don't really belong or that some mistake occurred is powerful.
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Post by rgs318 on May 1, 2019 17:15:54 GMT -5
Nice job, hcbando. You nailed he meaning. It has been around for several decades now.
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Post by hcpride on May 1, 2019 19:02:23 GMT -5
Nice job, hcbando. You nailed the meaning. It has been around for several decades now. You'll be happy to note HC is finally addressing the imposter syndrome via two distinct strategies (according to the newly released Diversity, Equity & Inclusion Planning Team Report): Theme Three: Equitable Access
Goal #C-1: Students of minority groups should be directed to resources to help them work through possible cases of imposter syndrome
Strategy #1:
Tackle this directly through Passport, Odyssey and the Mentor Program. Consider increasing the number of peer mentors. Additionally, consider changing the name and location of the Academic Services & Learning Resources Office to make it more attractive (such as the Office of Academic Success). Partners: Academic Services & Learning Resources, OME, Orientation Programs Timeline:
Summer of 2020
Strategy #2 : Educate First Year Advisors about imposter syndrome and how to combat it Partners:
FYA program, Class Deans, ODI, OME Timeline: Design for Fall of 2019; Implement for Spring 2020
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According to Wikipedia, this is not to be confused with Capgras delusion, in which a person believes that a loved one has been replaced by an impostor and it may be related to Tall Poppy Syndrome – aspects of a culture where people of high status are resented for having been viewed as superior to their peers.
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Post by longsuffering on May 1, 2019 19:31:40 GMT -5
Thanks HCBando. I made an assumption the term was similar to stolen valor where a person who is not from a disadvantaged background takes advantage of provisions made for people who are. Imposter syndrome actually resonates because sometimes we limit our own advancement because we don't think we are capable or worthy. Nice to put a name to an age old feeling.
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