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Post by hcpride on Nov 1, 2018 6:15:54 GMT -5
16, maybe 17 wins at most. Progress will be slow and steady so that next year a new, younger more energetic coach will take over a team primed to win a PL championship. LoveHC Agree with the number. JF will be a huge part in reaching that number - he is one of the best in the PL. The problem is, he graduates after this year and the team - lacking its star player - will not be in a position to win the PL Championship the following year. It is just a shame that JF is a senior right now.
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Post by sader81 on Nov 1, 2018 6:31:42 GMT -5
7-6 OOC 12-6 PL 3-0 PLT 1-1 Post
I’m going with a realistic prediction with losses to higher ranked teams in ooc and road losses to the PL teams that are predicted ahead of HC. However, I would not be surprised at all with one or more wins against the likes of Mass/RI/Har/Pro/Iona, and a better PL record. Always a possibility of a couple stinkers thrown in also! If Floyd stays healthy, and a couple sophs have a better than average progression over last year, this team could be special!
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Post by dadominate on Nov 1, 2018 7:33:30 GMT -5
i foresee the best season we've had since the prime of the willard years. we return one of the most productive rosters in the pl, and while last year on the whole was disappointing, we were a much better team at the end of the year as the freshmen had gained experience.
no other team in the pl returns as many sophomores who were regular contributors as freshmen, and as has been noted many times, freshman to sophomore year is when the most profound improvement occurs over the course of their entire college career. i think this nuance in returning production has led to us being overlooked by the (frankly lazy) preseason prediction magazines.
we have a tough ooc schedule, but i think we'll take care of business in the games we should win ooc and that we will be ready to be a force in a relatively weak pl this year come the onset of league play.
buckle up... this should be a fun season!
6-7 ooc 13-5 pl 3-0 pl tournament 0-1 ncaa tournament (14 or 15 seed, no play-in game this year)
overall, 22-13.
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Post by Tom on Nov 1, 2018 8:14:39 GMT -5
I voted 17-19. I am not breaking it down.
I notice some of the earlier explanations have 3-0 in the PLT and 1-1 in the NCAA with no disclaimers. Yes, another 2016 type run would be nice, but the regular season would be a disappointment if HC lands in the bottom four.
Does anyone think that a 2-1 PLT and not as the seed will get HC one of the crappy tournaments? A young team might benefit from the extra experience if not invited to NCAA or NIT. That could tip the win scale like 2014
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 1, 2018 9:13:18 GMT -5
If the situation were to arise I seriously doubt Carm will be clamoring to play in one of the ferkakta pay-to-play post season tourneys like the previous coach did.
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Post by purplenurple on Nov 1, 2018 9:56:06 GMT -5
If the situation were to arise I seriously doubt Carm will be clamoring to play in one of the ferkakta pay-to-play post season tourneys like the previous coach did. What RPI would we need to get a NIT invite? 50? I think we would jump at that opporunity.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 1, 2018 10:01:34 GMT -5
The conversation wasn't about NCAA or NIT. It's about the CIT, CBI and the like if there are any more this yr.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 1, 2018 10:06:05 GMT -5
Hoops can't agree that team will be stronger next year without Floyd. This should be the year with Floyd leading the way and a now experienced sophomore class to back him up. While I do agree that next years incoming class looks good I'll take await and see approach on this years group as generally it's not a recipe for success to do your recruiting in April. guess I was not clear In response to mm and woogray, I said that IF we only won 15-16 games this season. I think that next year's team would be significantly more successful.than that. I also believe that we have a strong team this season, how strong, time will tell. This team can be the strongest in many years. But next season, although we do lose our top defender/ probably scorer, with every other major contributor back as juniors(6) and maybe contributor sophs(2), with at least 3 highly rated freshmen, we will be a solid team
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Post by Tom on Nov 1, 2018 10:17:32 GMT -5
If the situation were to arise I seriously doubt Carm will be clamoring to play in one of the ferkakta pay-to-play post season tourneys like the previous coach did. Might not be clamoring. However, it is possible that this year's edition might turn out similar to 2014 in terms of record, RPI, etc. IF that happens, HC might get invited to a crappy tournament. IF HC gets invited, they accept or they might not. There is a difference between clamoring to play and accepting an invitation. I have no information as to whether or not Coach Brown lobbied to receive the 2014 invitation. My guess is that the only path to the NIT is to win the regular season then get upset in the PLT One of those tournaments might happen. I'm not sure if I would label such an invitation as a disappointment. I am quite sure that not receiving such an invitation would be a disappointment. ACTP might be hinting that there has to be some reach out from a school as the organizers don't want the embarrassment of having invitations declined. That would be a horse of a different color.
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Post by alum on Nov 1, 2018 10:44:59 GMT -5
OOC 7-6 (Wins vs. Sacred Heart, Stony Brook, Norfolk/Siena, Albany, FDU, Canisius, Siena) PL 12-6 (One loss each to Bucknell, Colgate, BU, and American. Two losses to Lehigh.) PL Tournament 3-0 NCAA 1-1
Total of 23 wins. It is going to be a fun year. We are going to win the games we are supposed to win this year.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 1, 2018 10:47:42 GMT -5
If you have a fairly young team going into the next season (which HC will still have in the spring) and mostly healthy players, it's hard to turn down extra games (and practices) in most cases. I would think that's the reason most schools accept bids to the CBI, etc.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 1, 2018 23:34:44 GMT -5
Some very low standards for hchoops.
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Post by hcnation on Nov 2, 2018 7:16:11 GMT -5
OOC. 6-7 PL. 11-7 Reg Season 17-14 Tournament. 2-1 Total 19-15
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Post by dadominate on Nov 2, 2018 12:10:33 GMT -5
Some very low standards for hchoops. there are certainly unimpressive predictions from many posters, but that doesn't necessarily translate to "low standards" unless those who are predicting the paltry win totals/postseason flameout are happy with that situation. i think we're in for a big year personally, but my read of this thread suggests that those who think we are going to be mediocre this year aren't particularly happy with that and think carmody should be a replaced. i don't see any of the 20 WINS BABY!!!!!!!!!!, "hater" accusations for anyone with a less than glowing prediction, or any related nonsense about how good things are (when they weren't) in this thread. p.s. - i guess it is possible that i disagree with sov on something after all these years
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 2, 2018 12:44:20 GMT -5
My opinion, and certainly speaking for myself, many here have gone into many football and basketball seasons with high expectations (or hopes) only for some disaster or other to hit whether that be due to injuries, transfers, suspensions, coaches leaving (or fired), players not developing as we thought they might or any number of reasons. No Holy Cross team is so deep that we can lose key player(s) and still have success on the field or court. So, we've been chastened - but that might be simply taking off the purple-shaded glasses and trying to be a bit more realistic or even skeptical. Seeing this "new" upbeat Carmody has me torn between two opposing thoughts: 1. He's such a Gloomy Gus, at least his public persona, so if he is upbeat, this team must be spectacular (think Seinfeld's girlfriend "they're real . . . . and they're spectacular"). 2. Gloomy Gus has decided for whatever reason to put a more positive face on things and there is no underlying basis for it (except Jehyve! )
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Post by Tom on Nov 2, 2018 14:09:41 GMT -5
I'm thinking this isn't going to be like the last couple of years with Bucknell taking the regular season with 15 or 16 wins. I won't be shocked if 13 wins gets a regular season title. That kind of logic can bring down the win total, while still keeping alive the opinion that this squad could/should realistically be competing for the league championship
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 2, 2018 14:19:26 GMT -5
Dado, I was referencing the fact that, according to hoops, assuming we only win 15 or 16 games this year, that the future could still be bright.
When does Carmody actually start have to winning?
Year 9, as SADERS used to say?
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Post by HC92 on Nov 2, 2018 21:42:42 GMT -5
Our 20th win will be in the PL Championship. One and done in the NCAA. We don’t have to play in the first four.
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Post by dadominate on Nov 2, 2018 21:59:07 GMT -5
Dado, I was referencing the fact that, according to hoops, assuming we only win 15 or 16 games this year, that the future could still be bright. When does Carmody actually start have to winning? Year 9, as SADERS used to say? sorry sov, i thought you meant hc hoops in general (as in all of us collectively) and not hchoops the individual. i definitely misread your post.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 2, 2018 22:31:27 GMT -5
Looking over the schedule as I try to forecast how many games we will win this year. Is it odd that we play Loyola as our 1st and 6th Patriot League games? I would have thought we always played all 9 opponents and then played them again, although not necessarily in the same order...… First half versus second half comparisons will be off a bit as Loyola may be a weaker PL team. No matter--let's try to win each game as it comes up
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Post by trimster on Nov 3, 2018 6:08:53 GMT -5
7-6 OOC 12-6 PL 3-0 PLT 1-1 Post I’m going with a realistic prediction with losses to higher ranked teams in ooc and road losses to the PL teams that are predicted ahead of HC. However, I would not be surprised at all with one or more wins against the likes of Mass/RI/Har/Pro/Iona, and a better PL record. Always a possibility of a couple stinkers thrown in also! If Floyd stays healthy, and a couple sophs have a better than average progression over last year, this team could be special! I would be very surprised and elated, if we win 2 games out of the 5 noted.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 3, 2018 11:08:16 GMT -5
I would throw Canisius in that group of 5 as well. Won 20+ games last year (I think MAAC reg season champ but not certain) and return a decent nucleus from last year).
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 3, 2018 12:05:57 GMT -5
Canisius will be tough. They've been picked to finish second in the MAAC, and G Isaiah Reese was the pre-season PoY.
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Post by bison137 on Nov 3, 2018 12:06:40 GMT -5
I would throw Canisius in that group of 5 as well. Won 20+ games last year (I think MAAC reg season champ but not certain) and return a decent nucleus from last year). Yes, regular season champs with a 15-3 record. They return four starters and most of their bench. They were picked for 2nd in this year's coaches' poll and also have the preseason POY.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 3, 2018 13:15:29 GMT -5
Canisius will be tough. They've been picked to finish second in the MAAC, and G Isaiah Reese was the pre-season PoY. Sounds like that will be a good test for our defense.
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