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Post by Tom on Nov 7, 2018 9:07:56 GMT -5
Random thoughts on rotations
The box will tell you Floyd, Faw, Grandison, Butler, and Green started
Benzan was first off the bench spelling Faw. Niego's role was limited to spelling Floyd similar to Faw last year. Copeland seems to have moved up to the 8th man
LeSann has moved up to 9th in the rotation while Zignorski was relegated to mop up duties with the two scholarship freshmen. As noted, last week Coach Carmody referred to Ziggy's on going knee issues. Not sure how much his health contributed to his reduced role.
HC was coasting fwith a 20ish point lead for the final 25 minutes or so. It would have been an ideal situation to take Hargis or Verbeek out for a test drive for a couple of meaningful minutes. The fact that I didn't see Hargis when LeSann made his first half appearance surprised me. I read that as none of the frosh are ready to play meaningful minutes. We got lucky last year, but I do think it's asking a lot for a kid fresh out of high school to jump into this fairly different system
When mop up duty started with about 2 minutes to go and Sacred Heart still had starters on the floor, HC was up by about 18. The late flurry that made it 12 might be why the 3 walk-ons didn't get any floor time in the blow out. The final score might have said 12, but that doesn't tell the story
Sacred Heart did have a lot of travels, which I would consider turnovers not forced by the HC, but there were a good number of HC forced turnovers as well. In one kind of role reversal play, Floyd just took the ball away from a Sacred Heart guy, dribbled up the court leading the break like a point guard and dished off at the end to a streaking Green for the lay-up.
Another random highlight was Faw playing 20 minutes and only picking up one foul. If he played 20 minutes last year, I would have expected him to foul out. (The box says 2 fouls, but I think most who watched it would agree it was a scoring error. After the whistle, the ref signaled the foul was on #25 and with no #25 on the roster, the scorer thought #15 was the closest number even though he was no where near the contact). Even two fouls would be a step up. In my not so humble opinion, if Faw wants to step up to the next level, he can't do it while sitting on the bench in foul trouble.
Sacred Heart is not very good and HC did what HC was supposed to do: beat them handily. Job done. On to Michigan
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Post by WCHC Sports on Nov 7, 2018 9:22:01 GMT -5
Box score's story: Shooting > 50% from 2, >40% from 3, and >70% (THANK YOU GOD) from the free-throw line is the mark of a very strong offensive team.
Giving up >66% shooting percentage to the other team is atrocious. It's a bit of a statistical anomaly for a team to shoot that well, and that much better than the other team, and lose. Turnovers obviously huge here in comparing the disparity in shot attempts.
Posters earlier said that it could just be a fluke that SHU shot so well percentage-wise. But it could just as easily be a "fluke" that HC shot so well too. As NAD points out, we're among the national leaders in wins, so that's the most important part. And thanks to HC for winning the SHU battle so I reclaim the annual family trophy from my brother (SHU alum).
Lastly, I think it was BBC who said earlier that an HC player was reminiscent of Bucknell's Griffin. No player was hated more in my time or since on any team than Griffin, as an HC fan. There's a difference between doing what every pro and half the NCAA world does after a shot, at home, in the opener, to fire up your team and the crowd, versus actively taunting the opponent's fans and being chippy with the other team.
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Post by classof83 on Nov 7, 2018 9:25:25 GMT -5
Sacred Heart has two kids that were pretty much the whole team - Hoehn and Ozier scored 60% of the points. Ozier is a really good player - he was able to create his own shot a lot of time although he was only 1 out of 5 from beyond the arc. He is going to be good player in that league.
Hoehn was like Butler last night - he was hitting 3-point shots from everywhere. He was not a good ball handler, however and had 7 TOs. Some of the 3 pointers he hit were pretty far out and is the type of shot where if he makes the shot you tip your hat to him and move on. Butler had some of those too.
I am guessing there is no scouting report on Ozier since he is a first year player.
I would expect with film on him we would have done a better job defensively on him.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 9:43:40 GMT -5
Mm Have you been watching the past 10 years ? This is not new.
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Post by bison137 on Nov 7, 2018 9:45:35 GMT -5
For our rules experts, looks like the Sacred Heart coach is well beyond that line that I thought coaches could not pass. Penalty if refs called it? No, he is well within the coaching box. That area was extended another ten feet before last year. It now extends out to 38 feet from the baseline - which means it runs to within 9 feet of midcourt. IF he were out of the box, the rules call for one warning, followed by a technical for a subsequent violation. How closely this is called depends on the refs and, especially, on who the coach is. Coach K is not going to be t'd up if he ventures a couple of feet over the line.
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Post by hc811215 on Nov 7, 2018 9:47:04 GMT -5
What a nice comfortable win. I can't remember the last time (although I'm sure someone will remind me) where HC went up by more than 10 in the first 8:00 of the game and kept a double digit lead for 32+ minutes. There was no real second half run by SHU. With a 21 point half time lead we just kept going. SHU would cut it to as low as 15 before we would bring the lead back up to 15 to 20. Although we only won by 12 the game was not that close, with HC up by 20 with less than 2 minutes to play, and SHU scoring 2 buckets in the last 30 seconds of garbage time. Still a lot of work to do but this team seemed confident and executing better than any HC team in an opening game in many years. Yes they were supposed to win. But they did win comfortably. Great job CBC and team being ready to play from the first minute of the season.
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 7, 2018 9:55:40 GMT -5
A win is a win but... I am going to vent. During my time at HC we did not have an on-camps arena for our home games. We played at the Worcester Memorial Auditorium and we regularly packed the place. I remember freezing my tail walking down Southbridge Street into Worcester and back to HC. The team played and we went whether the team was good/bad no matter the opponent. This was our team and we loved them and enjoyed watching them, even including the agony of defeat. Last night the Hart had very few students for the SH game. For crying out loud the facility is on campus, a five minute walk from the dorms or library and few students were in attendance. Were classes in session? I don't know. I have read from the more informed members on this board that everything is different and students prefer watching a bunch of paid strangers play ball on tv, rather than their own team. If classes were in sessions, then last night's attendance was a disgrace, shameful. Were classes in session? LoveHC according to the College calendar the were 2 workshops, a tutoring session & a concert scheduled between 7-9pm also the other CBC watched the 2nd half with 1 or 2 of his staff.
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Post by trimster on Nov 7, 2018 9:57:00 GMT -5
A win is a win but... I am going to vent. During my time at HC we did not have an on-camps arena for our home games. We played at the Worcester Memorial Auditorium and we regularly packed the place. I remember freezing my tail walking down Southbridge Street into Worcester and back to HC. The team played and we went whether the team was good/bad no matter the opponent. This was our team and we loved them and enjoyed watching them, even including the agony of defeat. Last night the Hart had very few students for the SH game. For crying out loud the facility is on campus, a five minute walk from the dorms or library and few students were in attendance. Were classes in session? I don't know. I have read from the more informed members on this board that everything is different and students prefer watching a bunch of paid strangers play ball on tv, rather than their own team. If classes were in sessions, then last night's attendance was a disgrace, shameful. Were classes in session? LoveHC I feel the same way. HC hoops has been a passion of mine since the mid 60s and to see row upon row of empty seats is extremely discouraging. I guess it has happened for a variety of reasons but it is so sad to see. I am guessing the attendance last night was under a thousand.
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Post by trimster on Nov 7, 2018 10:01:44 GMT -5
A win is a win but... I am going to vent. During my time at HC we did not have an on-camps arena for our home games. We played at the Worcester Memorial Auditorium and we regularly packed the place. I remember freezing my tail walking down Southbridge Street into Worcester and back to HC. The team played and we went whether the team was good/bad no matter the opponent. This was our team and we loved them and enjoyed watching them, even including the agony of defeat. Last night the Hart had very few students for the SH game. For crying out loud the facility is on campus, a five minute walk from the dorms or library and few students were in attendance. Were classes in session? I don't know. I have read from the more informed members on this board that everything is different and students prefer watching a bunch of paid strangers play ball on tv, rather than their own team. If classes were in sessions, then last night's attendance was a disgrace, shameful. Were classes in session? LoveHC Official stats list 1032 as the attendance. I kind of doubt it.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Nov 7, 2018 10:25:51 GMT -5
Noted as well on the highlights on twitter. Lots of "purple" but it was the bleachers, not folks in shirts. Maybe a random Tuesday, not-so-good weather, and Election Day hampered some local attendance, but students should have jammed for the opener. I wonder how much is being marketed to them as much as it is the wider HC fandom.
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Post by sader81 on Nov 7, 2018 10:29:12 GMT -5
Wins will bring out the students and the locals.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 10:35:08 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 10:39:55 GMT -5
A center with many assists is the ideal way for the PO to be run. When current Richmond coach, Chris Mooney, was at Princeton, he usually was the leader, or right near the top, in assists. Carrill designed it that way and recruited centers who could pass.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 10:46:53 GMT -5
Our sophs scored 74% of our points last night.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 7, 2018 10:47:40 GMT -5
...but seeing those opponent shots blocked and the resulting hesitation their next time up the court is so sweet to watch!
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Post by dadominate on Nov 7, 2018 10:53:38 GMT -5
A center with many assists is the ideal way for the PO to be run. When current Richmond coach, Chris Mooney, was at Princeton, he usually was the leader, or right near the top, in assists. Carrill designed it that way and recruited centers who could pass. was thinking the same thing when i saw the box score last night. kudos to floyd for buying in all the way and executing so nicely. on a related note, benzan has always been the player who has best capitalized on back door cuts. a very smart player who is tenacious for his size.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 11:14:05 GMT -5
Rare stat 12 offensive rebounds for 13 second chance points Most in CBC years ?
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Post by Chu Chu on Nov 7, 2018 11:27:14 GMT -5
A win is a win but... I am going to vent. During my time at HC we did not have an on-camps arena for our home games. We played at the Worcester Memorial Auditorium and we regularly packed the place. I remember freezing my tail walking down Southbridge Street into Worcester and back to HC. The team played and we went whether the team was good/bad no matter the opponent. This was our team and we loved them and enjoyed watching them, even including the agony of defeat. Last night the Hart had very few students for the SH game. For crying out loud the facility is on campus, a five minute walk from the dorms or library and few students were in attendance. Were classes in session? I don't know. I have read from the more informed members on this board that everything is different and students prefer watching a bunch of paid strangers play ball on tv, rather than their own team. If classes were in sessions, then last night's attendance was a disgrace, shameful. Were classes in session? LoveHC We are of the same vintage, and I share your chagrin, but there are some things to remember. The Worcester Aud only held slightly over 2000 fannies, so it was easy to pack. Also, Holy Cross was all male, and we had little else to do but study. Todays college actually has more women than men, and the activities and social life available far outstrip what we experienced. I do not think that the attendance was "a disgrace", nor was it "shameful". Rather, it is to be expected given how things have changed, and mirrors trends at other institutions. Keep winning, and things will improve! It was a solid win. Go Cross!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 7, 2018 11:41:13 GMT -5
Rare stat 12 offensive rebounds for 13 second chance points Most in CBC years ? Most offensive rebounds I found with a quick look thru KenPom 14 in a 67-53 win over Lafayette in Feb 2016 16 in a 46-90 loss to Syracuse in Nov 2016. Yes, 16 o-boards versus Syracuse
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Post by hc811215 on Nov 7, 2018 11:45:33 GMT -5
A win is a win but... I am going to vent. During my time at HC we did not have an on-camps arena for our home games. We played at the Worcester Memorial Auditorium and we regularly packed the place. I remember freezing my tail walking down Southbridge Street into Worcester and back to HC. The team played and we went whether the team was good/bad no matter the opponent. This was our team and we loved them and enjoyed watching them, even including the agony of defeat. Last night the Hart had very few students for the SH game. For crying out loud the facility is on campus, a five minute walk from the dorms or library and few students were in attendance. Were classes in session? I don't know. I have read from the more informed members on this board that everything is different and students prefer watching a bunch of paid strangers play ball on tv, rather than their own team. If classes were in sessions, then last night's attendance was a disgrace, shameful. Were classes in session? LoveHC We are of the same vintage, and I share your chagrin, but there are some things to remember. The Worcester Aud only held slightly over 2000 fannies, so it was easy to pack. Also, Holy Cross was all male, and we had little else to do but study. Todays college actually has more women than men, and the activities and social life available far outstrip what we experienced. I do not think that the attendance was "a disgrace", nor was it "shameful". Rather, it is to be expected given how things have changed, and mirrors trends at other institutions. Keep winning, and things will improve! It was a solid win. Go Cross! Also to be remembered was that there was no cable TV even into the late 70's and beginning of the 80's. today's student basketball fans can watch a host of top basketball games from the comfort of their rooms and can even check in to the HC game from their phone while studying or doing something else. If we bring back the live excitement of winning consistently at home, they will start to show.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 11:57:14 GMT -5
Rare stat 12 offensive rebounds for 13 second chance points Most in CBC years ? Most offensive rebounds I found with a quick look thru KenPom 14 in a 67-53 win over Lafayette in Feb 2016 16 in a 46-90 loss to Syracuse in Nov 2016. Yes, 16 o-boards versus Syracuse Impressive, but the Orange do not box out in their 2-3 zone, relying on size alone.
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Post by Tom on Nov 7, 2018 12:05:40 GMT -5
Although late arriving, behind the basket on the concession side filled in pretty well with students. Many were football players. In updated Hart, behind one basket isn't a lot of students, but it's something
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Post by Tom on Nov 7, 2018 12:08:56 GMT -5
On an amenities note, still one concession stand with the other used for clothes, although they have flip flopped. Adequate for yesterday's small crowd, but as we saw at Homecoming last year, insufficient for a good crowd. If you anticipate a big game, don't show up hungry
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 7, 2018 12:09:26 GMT -5
Great when one HC team supports another...that is the way to start a student cheering section!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 7, 2018 12:21:57 GMT -5
Rare stat 12 offensive rebounds for 13 second chance points Most in CBC years ? Don't know about second chance points, but HC had 13 ORs vs. Syracuse two years ago, and had 12 twice in 2015-16.
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