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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 12:52:07 GMT -5
50 years is a very long time ago
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Post by CHC8485 on Nov 7, 2018 14:58:50 GMT -5
Mm Have you been watching the past 10 years ? This is not new. hoops, I get it. We wanted to be at the games. We knew the guys, took classes together, hung out in off season, etc. How can today's students look the players in the face without embarrassment? It is a pity. LoveHC How can the players look in the face of the students in a play, in a concert, hosting a fund raiser, etc. and not be embarrassed? Let me give you an example of what one student has on her palte this week ... My daughter is a senior and in the band. She was not at the game last night. Why? In part becasue she is in the band. - There is a football game Saturday and her entire day Saturday will be occupied with band related activities starting with a 7:00 AM rehearsal. - In addition, Saturday is Senior Day for the marching band, which means the seniors are working on a number of Senior Day Tradtions this week as their farewell to the Marching Band. - As a student in the Basic Acting Class she has to work two shifts ushering or selling tickets for the show the theater department is performing this weekend. - She's working on audition material for a show that will be put on next Semester. - She works a job on campus and will be working 8 hours this week. - She has 2 mid terms this week, a paper and the normal work associated with her classes. - Senior's had to register for 2nd semester classes last week. Several of the classes she wanted were closed so she's spend several hours this week tracking down professors trying to convice them to open a spot for her. - She's working on what she's going to do with her life next May post-graduation - anyone looking to hire a bright English Major possibly in a communications related field?? It's about priorities. Kids are actively involved in a host of activies that take a boat load of time. For her, pep band at a BB game didn't fit in this week. And I credit her for making the choice she did to work on what was important to her, her future and skip the basketball game. Would I love there to be 1000+ students ion teh Hart Center every game? Of course. But the reality for Holy Cross students today is that their schedules are packed based on the range of activities they are involved with and simply doesn't allow as much free time as it did 30+ years ago when I was a student much less 50+ years ago when you were a student.
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 7, 2018 15:06:53 GMT -5
We are of the same vintage, and I share your chagrin, but there are some things to remember. The Worcester Aud only held slightly over 2000 fannies, so it was easy to pack. Also, Holy Cross was all male, and we had little else to do but study. Todays college actually has more women than men, and the activities and social life available far outstrip what we experienced. I do not think that the attendance was "a disgrace", nor was it "shameful". Rather, it is to be expected given how things have changed, and mirrors trends at other institutions. Keep winning, and things will improve! It was a solid win. Go Cross! Also to be remembered was that there was no cable TV even into the late 70's and beginning of the 80's. today's student basketball fans can watch a host of top basketball games from the comfort of their rooms and can even check in to the HC game from their phone while studying or doing something else. If we bring back the live excitement of winning consistently at home, they will start to show. In the mid- to late-70s, when the Hart was brand new, students slept overnight in the Fieldhouse to assure themselves the ability to BUY their season tickets. Am I correct in understanding that students now get in FREE with their ID? Every home game was shown (again FREE) on Channel 27, and when the kids went home for Christmas, the folks in Worcester would snatch up the open tickets and fill the joint.
The competition back then was BC, UMass, UConn, St. John's, Georgetown, etc., but let's hope that a few wins will start the fans, students and locals, showing up again.
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Post by Tom on Nov 7, 2018 15:28:05 GMT -5
Pardon the lack of organization in my thoughts. There were a handful of blocks on our shorter guards driving to the hoop. Not as many as in the past and the negative does not offset the positive points from the successful drives had, but it is still happening
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 7, 2018 18:18:25 GMT -5
Late to the party.....I see hchoops and dado beat me with some of their thoughts. First - no real shockers to me in terms of what we could have expected for the first game. It's an offense oriented team. I guess the 64K question is can the D/rebounding get to a level where it's at least acceptable. If that happens, it could be a really good season, since the team has many different types of scoring options. The team collectively looked a bit bigger and stronger to me, which was nice to see. And they seemed to pick up where they left off last year in terms of their growing confidence, taking it right at the Pioneers from the get go. Some of the defensive annoyances were still present, such as guys running and jumping at shooters. But its early. I also thought JF was a millisecond behind defensively at times, just missing on a few block attempts.Again, not to worry there. But how bout that new point guard Jehyve Cousy/Magic Floyd? Hoops, I was thinking the same thing watching him last night - he looked like a classic Princeton high post player. Some really nice bounce passes. Love how he handled those aggressive double teams at the beginning of the game; really seemed to be ready to unleash Plan B. AB - think Mike Vicens likes the swagger? Have to give PB major props too. He has such a great feel for the game. There were a few times where he sensed something needed to be done (during those little mini runs by SHU), and he found a way to score. One in particular I loved was a coast to coast journey for a layup. It amazes he how he is able to see all the cracks in a defense, and exploit them. Speaking of JF and PB....when Coach Carm took over in 2016, if you asked me what players would struggle the most in his system, I would have said JF and PB - simply because face the basket shooting is the weakest part of their games. It's a real tribute to them (and the coaches) that they have evolved into the players they are today. I really wondered if it would work out for them back then. On to Ann Arbor. And - just like we shouldn't read too much into last night's results, we shouldn't get too worked up over what happens Saturday (unless we pull a NJIT on them, of course!).
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 19:48:42 GMT -5
Jehyve Caleb’s 1 hand lefty floater pass on the money—reminiscent of a Curry pass
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Post by princetoncrusader on Nov 7, 2018 21:32:16 GMT -5
A center with many assists is the ideal way for the PO to be run. When current Richmond coach, Chris Mooney, was at Princeton, he usually was the leader, or right near the top, in assists. Carrill designed it that way and recruited centers who could pass. Mooney was a forward during his 4 years at Princeton. He played a lot of games, and probably had a good number of assists, but he was not the center on those teams.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 21:39:45 GMT -5
Thanks I guess I remembered working with him at 5 star Camp after he graduated from Princeton. In the coaches’ games at night he played the high post and ran a clinic with his passing, beating far more talented teams consistently. I presumed he must have been a center for Princeton.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 7, 2018 21:39:59 GMT -5
Bucknell still runs this league.
Went on the road and beat St. Bonaventure in OT.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 7, 2018 21:55:00 GMT -5
Along with BU’s win at Northeastern, two very impressive road wins for the league in this first week Lafayette lost a lead late in regulation and lost in OT at St. Peter’s tonight 93-86
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 7, 2018 22:40:04 GMT -5
A center with many assists is the ideal way for the PO to be run. When current Richmond coach, Chris Mooney, was at Princeton, he usually was the leader, or right near the top, in assists. Carrill designed it that way and recruited centers who could pass. Mooney was a forward during his 4 years at Princeton. He played a lot of games, and probably had a good number of assists, but he was not the center on those teams. Ditto, Chris Potter in the ‘75-‘78 years.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2018 22:58:29 GMT -5
Chris averaged 5.5 and 5.3 Assists his last 2 seasons to lead the team
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 8, 2018 6:46:36 GMT -5
Bucknell still runs this league. Went on the road and beat St. Bonaventure in OT. This. And for those who criticized Nate Sestina's selection to the pre-season all-PL team . . . he had 15 points and 16 rebounds. Not a bad start.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 8, 2018 7:54:57 GMT -5
I would love to see St. Bonaventure on our schedule sometime in the near future.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 8, 2018 8:03:20 GMT -5
....worth it if you can get another ooc home-and-home with someone from Western NY, Western PA or Eastern Ohio....shuffling off to Olean, New York is not worth it for one game.
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 8, 2018 8:44:50 GMT -5
Players off to Ann Arbor
Think they're more psyched than busing to Fairleigh Dickenson? There is only one answer to rid ourselves of invisibility.
Power 5 teams; anywhere, anytime.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 8, 2018 8:51:39 GMT -5
IMHO, I have long thought the "answer" was winning (more so than losing to Power 5 opponents). I guess you could say that comes under the rule of "You are what you record says you are."
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Post by trimster on Nov 8, 2018 9:02:23 GMT -5
To some extent, it depends on who you are winning against. There is so much competition for eyeballs today, a weak draw hurts attendance. Case in point, I was channel surfing last night and came across a Bethume Cookman vs DePaul game. The arena was practically empty.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 8, 2018 9:03:17 GMT -5
I guess we should avoid playing DePaul then. As a Big East team (ranked #82 by Massey) you would think they would always draw. I guess that is not the case. Maybe the students stayed home to watch a video stream of the Knicks.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 8, 2018 9:23:20 GMT -5
Funny that we've touched on St. Bona and DePaul in the same thread as both have coaches with roots in the HC87 neck of the woods (Schmidt- N.Attleboro/BC; Leitao- New Bedford/NU)
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Post by bison137 on Nov 8, 2018 11:30:55 GMT -5
Bucknell still runs this league. Went on the road and beat St. Bonaventure in OT. This. And for those who criticized Nate Sestina's selection to the pre-season all-PL team . . . he had 15 points and 16 rebounds. Not a bad start. Sestina was double-teamed any time he caught the ball or posted up, so he didn't get many shots. Was tag-teamed by two athletic 610 centers but more than held his own and was a force on the boards. During all of last season, only one PL player had more than 16 rebounds in a game. (Zach Thomas had 19 vs St. Joes.) Btw, I was told that Bona will be playing in Sojka next year.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 8, 2018 12:06:57 GMT -5
Players off to Ann Arbor Think they're more psyched than busing to Fairleigh Dickenson? There is only one answer to rid ourselves of invisibility. Power 5 teams; anywhere, anytime. Will be interesting in that this the first game ever against a power conference school for the 6 sophs.
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Post by rickii on Nov 8, 2018 12:12:34 GMT -5
Jehyve Caleb’s 1 hand lefty floater pass on the money—reminiscent of a Curry pass BTW, the floor looks superb....even with the new 'politically correct' shield within the state at center court.
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Post by possum on Nov 8, 2018 13:34:16 GMT -5
I'll guaranty one thing Sestina will not be double teamed by Holy Cross Floyd completely intimidated him in the paint last year and I'd expect more of the same this year if he ventures into the lane.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 8, 2018 14:20:23 GMT -5
Sacred Heart, a terrible team, made 83% of its twos the other night and their front-court was 11-12 inside the arc. I defer to anybody who watched the game, but those statistics don't suggest a lot of defensive intimidation inside by anybody.
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