Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:56:27 GMT -5
While I never gave up, even when they were down 31 - 5, many of you did! ! If I had the time, I would go back and re-post all of the comments at that time! It would hilarious top reread them! ! There were so many regarding the OC, Jeff Wade, etc., etc.! Did we play poorly for more than a half? Did we turn the ball over too many times? Did we miss so many assignments? Did GT look great while go out in front 31 - 5? I could go on and on and the answer to all would be "YES"! Did we play with a sense of urgency? Did we make spectacular plays to keep drives going? Did Special Teams step it up today etc., etc.? Again, I could go on and on and the answer to all would be "YES"! Remember, the game is 60 minutes long and all that counts and is remembered in the end is the final score 32 - 31! And, we WON! ! Congratulations to the entire TEAM for a thrilling season that had its ups and downs but ends on a 4 game win streak! CBC now has something to build upon! May he and the entire team be proud of their accomplishments this season! The 2019 -2020 season starts tomorrow! GO CROSS GO! ! Also, you gotta love this... HC beats GT on a last minute TD 32 -31, while Florida State beats BC on a last minute TD 22 - 21 ! And, in one of the wackiest, dumbest things that you could do, a Harvard player flips the bird to a Yale defender before he crosses the goal line for the TD in the H - Y game. He was called for unsportsmanlike conduct (taunting), the play called back. Had he done it after crossing the goal line, the TD would have stood ! ! Here's the link: www.yahoo.com/sports/harvard-running-back-flips-off-yale-defender-way-end-zone-refs-disallow-td-video-201555618.htmlGeoff Wade and the OC didn't win the game. If you're playing a half way decent football team, you lose by 28 points. Congrats to the defense/special teams for making things happen and giving HC an opportunity to win.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:02:00 GMT -5
While I never gave up, even when they were down 31 - 5, many of you did! ! If I had the time, I would go back and re-post all of the comments at that time! It would hilarious top reread them! ! There were so many regarding the OC, Jeff Wade, etc., etc.! Did we play poorly for more than a half? Did we turn the ball over too many times? Did we miss so many assignments? Did GT look great while go out in front 31 - 5? I could go on and on and the answer to all would be "YES"! Did we play with a sense of urgency? Did we make spectacular plays to keep drives going? Did Special Teams step it up today etc., etc.? Again, I could go on and on and the answer to all would be "YES"! Remember, the game is 60 minutes long and all that counts and is remembered in the end is the final score 32 - 31! And, we WON! ! Congratulations to the entire TEAM for a thrilling season that had its ups and downs but ends on a 4 game win streak! CBC now has something to build upon! May he and the entire team be proud of their accomplishments this season! The 2019 -2020 season starts tomorrow! GO CROSS GO! ! Also, you gotta love this... HC beats GT on a last minute TD 32 -31, while Florida State beats BC on a last minute TD 22 - 21 ! And, in one of the wackiest, dumbest things that you could do, a Harvard player flips the bird to a Yale defender before he crosses the goal line for the TD in the H - Y game. He was called for unsportsmanlike conduct (taunting), the play called back. Had he done it after crossing the goal line, the TD would have stood ! ! Here's the link: www.yahoo.com/sports/harvard-running-back-flips-off-yale-defender-way-end-zone-refs-disallow-td-video-201555618.htmlBS - the OC is terrible. I stand by what I wrote. LD opened my eyes a little as to Wade’s winning %. He is in the wrong offense clearly. The OC’s contract should be thrown off the I-290 overpass. He is flat out terrible. We would be better off with Marino running screens every 3 plays. Geoff Wade NEVER goes through a read progression (meaning he throws to a pre-snap receiver without reading coverage). You will never win against a half way decent football team with a QB that stares down their pre-snap receiver every play. In the final drive against Georgetown, HC ran the same play about 10x. Lucky for us, Georgetown decided to play PREVENT for the entire second half. It would be interesting to see how many teams in the history of the college football have won by losing turnover battle 6-1.
|
|
|
Post by td128 on Nov 18, 2018 5:02:40 GMT -5
I figured I would wait before posing my question, the answer to which strikes me as screamingly obvious, but I wanted to see if anybody else might raise it. I know that it has been raised in the past but I do not recall anybody referencing the question I will ask momentarily in the context of this game thread and post-game commentary. The way the game unfolded and the Gtown defense stifled our offense time and again, it was almost as if the Hoyas had our playbook and knew exactly what our schemes and calls were. So, do you think the fact that Coach Murphy spent two months at Georgetown as their OC prior to coming back to his New England roots as our OC had any bearing on the game? guhoyas.com/news/2018/1/31/Football_Announces_Patrick_Murphy_as_Offensive_Coordinator.aspxYou think? Which begs the next question as to what we did differently -- if anything -- to counter Gtown's ' inside information'? I am mindful that it is not like we might put in an entirely new offense in the course of a week but I would not be so naive as to dismiss or discount this factor as weighing on this game and how it played out. Yesterday's game on the field was . . . indescribable in many ways but ultimately a record setting win for the Crusaders. Congratulations to Coach Chesney, staff, team, and everybody connected to the program. The fight in this team is truly special and the stuff that winning programs must have to be successful over the long haul. We got it and it is a beautiful thing. Thank you Coach Chesney. What about the game behind the game, though? Those are equally and often far more interesting. As to winning the second halves of games this year, I think people have overlooked HC's secret weapon who has gotten some credit this year but IMO not nearly the amount he deserves. As one longtime college football insider recently told me about this individual, "he will be the difference maker in upwards of half of a team's victories over the course of the year." I was blown away by that statement and inquired further and this insider repeated it with emphasis. High praise indeed for the Crusaders' dedicated Strength Coach, Chris Grautski: goholycross.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=211694270&DB_OEM_ID=33100For those on Twitter, give him a follow: twitter.com/BodybyGrautski
|
|
|
Post by hcpride on Nov 18, 2018 5:25:39 GMT -5
Harvard beat Yale 45-27 despite that TD being called back- I agree with the rest of your note: what a game for our Crusaders today!! Rob: Thanks for the "heads up"! My bad, I was too eager to conclude from the headline that it cost H the game! Have edited my post ... ! Yes, and the very same running back whose TD was called back due to his own unsportsmanlike play subsequently played Harvard's next possession like a man possessed and (of course) scored a touchdown. Yale realized what was going on and still could not stop him on his three consecutive runs. Lots of offense in The Game at sold out Fenway Park this year. But no dramatic comeback like HC-GU.
|
|
|
Post by timholycross on Nov 18, 2018 8:10:47 GMT -5
4th quarter and OT scoring per game below with our score first. We gave up an average of 2 fourth quarter points to our 10 FCS opponents. @gate: 14-0 @bc: 7-14 Yale: 17-0 Dartmouth: 14-7 Bucknell: 9-7 @unh: 0-0 @harvard: 17-3 Lehigh: 14-0 @lafayette: 0-0 Fordham: 3-3 @g’town: 20-0 Total: 115-34 (108-20 vs. FCS) Remove the 3 games when the 4th quarter was garbage time and it comes out 94-13 !
|
|
|
Post by timholycross on Nov 18, 2018 8:24:56 GMT -5
Congrats to the team. Thrilling win. Shall we make 5-31 Tee shirts? One more point behind than 3-28 !
|
|
|
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 18, 2018 9:24:57 GMT -5
The problem I had with the offensive schemes for HC yesterday is summarized by a graphic shown on the broadcast: of the top 7 or 8 sack leaders in the PL, three played for Georgetown, including the top sack leader,
Was anything done to anticipate or offset that facet of GU's defense? Not that I could tell. Wade was sacked twice on a blind-side hit, once causing a lost fumble. He was pressured all day, never looked comfortable, and played poorly. IMO, Wade is not the type of QB one asks to do too much, because again IMO, he tends to force the ball.
Again the spread 'em and shred 'em mindset of the OC was on view. No running game to speak of, because GU is tough to run against, yet no RB held in the backfrield helping protect Wade. And once more, the lack of a goal-line formation other than of the single RB, caused HC grief and having to settle for a field goal. What is so damn difficult about going to a formation on the two yard line that combines Oliver and Alexander??,
|
|
|
Post by breezy on Nov 18, 2018 10:17:17 GMT -5
From Coach Chesney late yesterday:
From a former player (I found this humorous:::
|
|
|
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 18, 2018 10:24:17 GMT -5
I figured I would wait before posing my question, the answer to which strikes me as screamingly obvious, but I wanted to see if anybody else might raise it. I know that it has been raised in the past but I do not recall anybody referencing the question I will ask momentarily in the context of this game thread and post-game commentary. The way the game unfolded and the Gtown defense stifled our offense time and again, it was almost as if the Hoyas had our playbook and knew exactly what our schemes and calls were. So, do you think the fact that Coach Murphy spent two months at Georgetown as their OC prior to coming back to his New England roots as our OC had any bearing on the game? guhoyas.com/news/2018/1/31/Football_Announces_Patrick_Murphy_as_Offensive_Coordinator.aspxYou think? Which begs the next question as to what we did differently -- if anything -- to counter Gtown's ' inside information'? I am mindful that it is not like we might put in an entirely new offense in the course of a week but I would not be so naive as to dismiss or discount this factor as weighing on this game and how it played out. Yesterday's game on the field was . . . indescribable in many ways but ultimately a record setting win for the Crusaders. Congratulations to Coach Chesney, staff, team, and everybody connected to the program. The fight in this team is truly special and the stuff that winning programs must have to be successful over the long haul. We got it and it is a beautiful thing. Thank you Coach Chesney. What about the game behind the game, though? Those are equally and often far more interesting. As to winning the second halves of games this year, I think people have overlooked HC's secret weapon who has gotten some credit this year but IMO not nearly the amount he deserves. As one longtime college football insider recently told me about this individual, "he will be the difference maker in upwards of half of a team's victories over the course of the year." I was blown away by that statement and inquired further and this insider repeated it with emphasis. High praise indeed for the Crusaders' dedicated Strength Coach, Chris Grautski: goholycross.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=211694270&DB_OEM_ID=33100For those on Twitter, give him a follow: twitter.com/BodybyGrautskiWatching the final minutes of the game it looked to me like our guys were fresh and that the Hoyas were "gassed"
|
|
|
Post by CHC8485 on Nov 18, 2018 10:33:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know HC's offensive stats solely against PL foes and how our stats compare to other PL schools? Are we above the median? Below? The G-town "D" looked tough to this observer, no doubt. How did G-town's "D" stack up against other PL teams for only those games within the league? Honestly, I do not know how we and G-town stack up against other PL teams. As a matter of personal policy I try not to discuss individual players other than to heap praise. LoveHC On the PL Website. Can also switch to full season stats as well. patriotleague.org/stats.aspx?path=football&year=2018&conf=true
|
|
|
Post by sader1970 on Nov 18, 2018 11:51:51 GMT -5
td, it may be screamingly obvious to some but not sure what you are suggesting? Feel free to PM me.
I am not sure that I saw anything glaringly different in this game vs. almost all the others. Our offense comes out flat almost every game and a lot of that has to do with a game plan that is predictable. Example: first offensive play from scrimmage is a run by Cozier. Because he was hurt and had only one rush all game, Alexander started and it was him who got the first rush and stopped. How many times did Geoff throw to Miles borderline laterals that GU was waiting for?
Like so many games this season, we had comebacks - some all the way for wins - some fell short, thanks to superior plays by special teams and the defense.
Oliver needs more burn. He moves the pile. Dorsey, Tenio, DeNicola helped our passing game immensely by making circus catches. Mountain should have been utilized more but I will say, he was successful probably because opponents never expected him to get a pass thrown his way. Bell was underutilized as well. We are going to miss these seniors (I know, I know - some posters will say they couldn't be any good as they were recruited under the old regime).
|
|
|
Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 18, 2018 13:39:06 GMT -5
The last HC offensive coordinator who showed imagination was Tom Rossley, who saw the potential in Gordie on offense. His background coming from the CFL, with their creative, wide open offense, was far superior to what we have seen since.
Since then the OC’s have really been disappointing in their in game adjustments and creativity.
|
|
|
Post by 6sader7 on Nov 18, 2018 14:01:28 GMT -5
The last HC offensive coordinator who showed imagination was Tom Rossley, who saw the potential in Gordie on offense. His background coming from the CFL, with their creative, wide open offense, was far superior to what we have seen since. Since then the OC’s have really been disappointing in their in game adjustments and creativity. I'd argue that Chris Pince was a great OC.
|
|
|
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 18, 2018 15:03:46 GMT -5
One small tactic on offense: My recollection is that we used to employ a lot of end arounds years ago and had done success. I wish we did more of that, especially with Bell a threat to throw as well as run. I think Jon Jon completed a long pass this year.
|
|
|
Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 18, 2018 15:12:32 GMT -5
I stand corrected regarding Chris.
In college, Chris, was coached by Dan Allen, who in 1993 won the Eddie Robinson and AFCA Coach of the year.
Unfortunately I forgot about him as the HC Offensive Coordinator during the last part of the Dan Allen era and the beginning of the Tom Gilmore era.
A friend who played during the time that Chris was at HC had good things to say about him.
He has been successful at New Haven as their Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator.
|
|
|
Post by wayback on Nov 18, 2018 15:35:03 GMT -5
I listened to the game on the radio since I was at an event. I was surprised how the announcers kept talking about how many points Holy Cross would have to score to come back which I thought was crazy, but then it happened. I was in the car at the end of the game and very excited about the win, the others in the car didn't really care.
Last night I went to this sight to see what people said during the game. If you go to pages 4-6, when the team was down, there were some negative posters identifying players and coaches that he was unhappy with. Fortunately that negative attitude was not that of team, if it had we would never have come back. Some posters should be embarrassed about their comments but I'm sure that won't happen.
|
|
|
Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 18, 2018 16:16:22 GMT -5
Speaking of Pince and New Haven, they won their opening playoff game yesterday.
Besides Pince obviously being a great OC for us, I thought Pedone did a solid job following in his footsteps. I also liked Brian Rock at that position. McKenzie was a disaster IMO and Murphy so far leaves a lot to be desired.
|
|
|
Post by HC92 on Nov 18, 2018 16:39:20 GMT -5
The last HC offensive coordinator who showed imagination was Tom Rossley, who saw the potential in Gordie on offense. His background coming from the CFL, with their creative, wide open offense, was far superior to what we have seen since. Since then the OC’s have really been disappointing in their in game adjustments and creativity. Rossley left in 1987. We’ve had some pretty prolific offenses since then. 1988-91 in my day.
|
|
|
Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 18, 2018 17:35:58 GMT -5
From Coach Chesney late yesterday: From a former player (I found this humorous::: Was the flight a charter for the team. If so, many thanks for the benefactor who picked up the cost to save an 8 hour drive back to Worcester.
|
|
|
Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 18, 2018 17:42:00 GMT -5
The last HC offensive coordinator who showed imagination was Tom Rossley, who saw the potential in Gordie on offense. His background coming from the CFL, with their creative, wide open offense, was far superior to what we have seen since. Since then the OC’s have really been disappointing in their in game adjustments and creativity. Rossley left in 1987. We’ve had some pretty prolific offenses since then. 1988-91 in my day. Do you remember who succeeded Rossley? I believe it was Clyde Christensen, who is currently with the Miami Dolphins. I had no arguments with the offensive play calling during the Duffner years. How could anyone, it was a juggernaut. The coaching staff during that era produced a boatload of NFL coaches, including Mike Sherman. A favorite of HCFC45.
|
|
|
Post by inhocsigno on Nov 18, 2018 17:47:55 GMT -5
We always flew to DC for GT or Towson games. This is not new.
|
|
|
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 18, 2018 18:10:52 GMT -5
I don't think the flight was a charter. The seats look like United seats. And there is a United flight from Dulles to Boston that leaves around 8:15 PM. After the game they had a meal at J. Pauls a bar/restaurant in Georgetown, so killing time before heading to the airport. Don't think they would have done that if it was a charter.
|
|
|
Post by timholycross on Nov 18, 2018 18:18:11 GMT -5
I stand corrected regarding Chris. In college, Chris, was coached by Dan Allen, who in 1993 won the Eddie Robinson and AFCA Coach of the year. Unfortunately I forgot about him as the HC Offensive Coordinator during the last part of the Dan Allen era and the beginning of the Tom Gilmore era. A friend who played during the time that Chris was at HC had good things to say about him. He has been successful at New Haven as their Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator. There were 3 or 4 OCs under Duffner. In addition to Dan Allen (88), HC had Mike Sherman (89) and Clyde Christensen (90) as OCs. Plus whoever it was in 1991 (edit: could it have been Dan Dorazio, or was he only the OL coach? He's STILL COACHING IN THE CFL!) Rossley was at HC for two years, 20-1 (86-7). The other records were 9-2, 9-1-1, 10-1 and 11-0. Plenty of points scored; no problem with "imagination". Maybe the other guys ran stuff so similar (and so well) to Rossley it was hard to tell he was gone. (edit)- It sucked when Vaas came in and scrapped that offense. Wanted to take an entirely different direction; and tried to do it with a lot of guys who weren't suited for it.
|
|
|
Post by efg72 on Nov 18, 2018 18:29:30 GMT -5
I don't think the flight was a charter. The seats look like United seats. And there is a United flight from Dulles to Boston that leaves around 8:15 PM. After the game they had a meal at J. Pauls a bar/restaurant in Georgetown, so killing time before heading to the airport. Don't think they would have done that if it was a charter. Used to work at Public House, now J Paul’s, when I was stationed at Fort Myer in 73-74-enjoyable atmosphere
|
|
|
Post by breezy on Nov 18, 2018 18:31:45 GMT -5
Team flew regular flight to Providence. There are a couple of tweets by Coach Chesney. I’ll try to post them later.
____________________________________________________________________________________
|
|