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Post by hc87 on Nov 18, 2018 18:57:08 GMT -5
I love the fact that the Worcester Airport both follows Chesney and knew we won yesterday. Baby steps...we're getting there.
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Post by HCFC45 on Nov 18, 2018 20:45:30 GMT -5
Rossley left in 1987. We’ve had some pretty prolific offenses since then. 1988-91 in my day. Do you remember who succeeded Rossley? I believe it was Clyde Christensen, who is currently with the Miami Dolphins. I had no arguments with the offensive play calling during the Duffner years. How could anyone, it was a juggernaut. The coaching staff during that era pruduced a boatload of NFL coaches, including Mike Sherman. A favorite of HCFC45.Yes, a former student and basketball player of mine, now HC of the CFL's Montreal Alouettes. In his first year in the CFL the Alouettes went 5 - 13 and missed the playoffs. He has been retained and will be back next year!
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 18, 2018 22:28:09 GMT -5
I listened to the game on the radio since I was at an event. I was surprised how the announcers kept talking about how many points Holy Cross would have to score to come back which I thought was crazy, but then it happened. I was in the car at the end of the game and very excited about the win, the others in the car didn't really care.
Last night I went to this sight to see what people said during the game. If you go to pages 4-6, when the team was down, there were some negative posters identifying players I'm certainly not embarrassed for saying the first half was an absolute nightmare, that the playcalling was bad, and the play of Wade was sub-par to the point that he should have been taken out of the game. All of that said, I'm extremely happy the team got a win - It's not often you get two blocked punts for touchdowns in a game like that... For the record, I believe Wade had around 8 completions and 4 interceptions...
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 18, 2018 22:31:31 GMT -5
We always flew to DC for GT or Towson games. This is not new. We took the bus to Georgetown both my Sophomore and Senior year.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 18, 2018 22:56:59 GMT -5
I listened to the game on the radio since I was at an event. I was surprised how the announcers kept talking about how many points Holy Cross would have to score to come back which I thought was crazy, but then it happened. I was in the car at the end of the game and very excited about the win, the others in the car didn't really care.
Last night I went to this sight to see what people said during the game. If you go to pages 4-6, when the team was down, there were some negative posters identifying players I'm certainly not embarrassed for saying the first half was an absolute nightmare, that the playcalling was bad, and the play of Wade was sub-par to the point that he should have been taken out of the game. All of that said, I'm extremely happy the team got a win - It's not often you get two blocked punts for touchdowns in a game like that... For the record, I believe Wade had around 8 completions and 4 interceptions... 4 interceptions is correct and sub-optimal. 8 completions is not correct , he had 23.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 18, 2018 22:59:04 GMT -5
Only 286 days until Navy!
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 18, 2018 23:14:54 GMT -5
I'm certainly not embarrassed for saying the first half was an absolute nightmare, that the playcalling was bad, and the play of Wade was sub-par to the point that he should have been taken out of the game. All of that said, I'm extremely happy the team got a win - It's not often you get two blocked punts for touchdowns in a game like that... For the record, I believe Wade had around 8 completions and 4 interceptions... 4 interceptions is correct and sub-optimal. 8 completions is not correct , he had 23. Ok - 4 Interceptions, 2 fumbles, 23 completions (I would guess 8 of those were in the last 5 minutes) Regardless, my only point is that I don't retract my belief he should have been taken out of the game and I don't believe he's the reason we won. It's a moot point given we won and he's graduating so I don't want to pursue the topic more than necessary, but I don't think it's logical to act as if keeping him in was the right move by the OC or that we couldn't have won with another QB at the helm...
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 19, 2018 5:49:34 GMT -5
Southwest flies from Reagan National to Providence. The team would have had mucho time to kill at J. Paul's.
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Post by gks on Nov 19, 2018 7:41:06 GMT -5
I don't know what Chesney does to keep his teams in games but that comeback was unbelievable. Past teams would have curled up in a ball and quit. When he was hired people who have seen Chesney coach for years now talked about the attitude, the enthusiasm, the desire he brings to the football field. The G'Town game was all of it in just one quarter. He just has the ability to keep his team in games (rare exceptions of course) and always playing hard. Winning last four was big boost to the program and should carry over in the off season leading up to another tough campaign in 2019.
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Post by gks on Nov 19, 2018 7:44:16 GMT -5
I stand corrected regarding Chris. In college, Chris, was coached by Dan Allen, who in 1993 won the Eddie Robinson and AFCA Coach of the year. Unfortunately I forgot about him as the HC Offensive Coordinator during the last part of the Dan Allen era and the beginning of the Tom Gilmore era. A friend who played during the time that Chris was at HC had good things to say about him. He has been successful at New Haven as their Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator. There were 3 or 4 OCs under Duffner. In addition to Dan Allen (88), HC had Mike Sherman (89) and Clyde Christensen (90) as OCs. Plus whoever it was in 1991 (edit: could it have been Dan Dorazio, or was he only the OL coach? He's STILL COACHING IN THE CFL!) Rossley was at HC for two years, 20-1 (86-7). The other records were 9-2, 9-1-1, 10-1 and 11-0. Plenty of points scored; no problem with "imagination". Maybe the other guys ran stuff so similar (and so well) to Rossley it was hard to tell he was gone. (edit)- It sucked when Vaas came in and scrapped that offense. Wanted to take an entirely different direction; and tried to do it with a lot of guys who weren't suited for it. Please don't compare Duffner's OCs to the current. I think it's safe to say the talent level is a tad different. For those who question the OCs season....what should he have done differently with the talent he had to work with? The only game where the offense struggled where they shouldn't have was Bucknell but the Bison have always been a tough defense.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 19, 2018 8:29:54 GMT -5
There were 3 or 4 OCs under Duffner.. Please don't compare Duffner's OCs to the current. I think it's safe to say the talent level is a tad different. For those who question the OCs season....what should he have done differently with the talent he had to work with? The only game where the offense struggled where they shouldn't have was Bucknell but the Bison have always been a tough defense. The QB's on the three deep had no prior experience with the RPO, were not recruited to run such an offense, and I didn't see Tim Tebow's name on the roster. Regarding the struggles of the offense, HC had 385 yards in total offense to Bucknell's 280. HC's total offense in some other FCS games: Dartmouth, 209; UNH, 233; Fordham, 221. __________________ In the trainwreck of the 2017 season, HC had 4373 yards of total offense. In 2018, 3600 total yards.
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Post by JRGNYR on Nov 19, 2018 8:36:26 GMT -5
You can see the end of the 1988 Princeton - Holy Cross game right here: I was at this game and remember the finish well. One of the craziest things I've ever seen live, right up there with the second half of the HC/Lehigh game in '91.
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Post by JRGNYR on Nov 19, 2018 8:45:23 GMT -5
Really happy that the team won and finished the year strong. The early deficits are maddening, but it's a different team next year and hopefully they demonstrate the same resilience when trailing while also putting some early points on the board.
Cautious optimism for next year seems warranted.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 19, 2018 8:45:43 GMT -5
There were 3 or 4 OCs under Duffner. In addition to Dan Allen (88), HC had Mike Sherman (89) and Clyde Christensen (90) as OCs. Plus whoever it was in 1991 (edit: could it have been Dan Dorazio, or was he only the OL coach? He's STILL COACHING IN THE CFL!) Rossley was at HC for two years, 20-1 (86-7). The other records were 9-2, 9-1-1, 10-1 and 11-0. Plenty of points scored; no problem with "imagination". Maybe the other guys ran stuff so similar (and so well) to Rossley it was hard to tell he was gone. (edit)- It sucked when Vaas came in and scrapped that offense. Wanted to take an entirely different direction; and tried to do it with a lot of guys who weren't suited for it. Please don't compare Duffner's OCs to the current. I think it's safe to say the talent level is a tad different. For those who question the OCs season....what should he have done differently with the talent he had to work with? The only game where the offense struggled where they shouldn't have was Bucknell but the Bison have always been a tough defense. We have talented receivers who did not the get the ball. How many catches did Bell, DiNicola, Ayeni have all year? OC did not get the ball to Cozier in space, where he could be even more effective than running him in between the tackles and hoping he pops. They did not run with the power back Oliver in short yardage situations. Bell comes back for a 5th year, presumably to have more tape for a UDFA chance, and is not utilized at all. It appeared we lived off the vertical passing game this year. To my eye (and not looking at the stats), it seemed we were not making short-mid yardage third down conversion completions. I hate even saying this, but we could have benefited from the screen game more- Cozier/Alexander in RB screen game and Bell and Gillium in the WR Screen game. In fact, I don't remember a HC season where the backs were used less in the passing game. Were we in max protect all year?
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Post by gks on Nov 19, 2018 8:51:57 GMT -5
Please don't compare Duffner's OCs to the current. I think it's safe to say the talent level is a tad different. For those who question the OCs season....what should he have done differently with the talent he had to work with? The only game where the offense struggled where they shouldn't have was Bucknell but the Bison have always been a tough defense. The QB's on the three deep had no prior experience with the RPO, were not recruited to run such an offense, and I didn't see Tim Tebow's name on the roster. Regarding the struggles of the offense, HC had 385 yards in total offense to Bucknell's 280. HC's total offense in some other FCS games: Dartmouth, 209; UNH, 233; Fordham, 221. __________________ In the trainwreck of the 2017 season, HC had 4373 yards of total offense. In 2018, 3600 total yards. Dartmouth is one of the best teams in FCS....they weren't winning that game. UNH was just a plain old clunker and Fordham was played in terrible wind conditions. Who cares how many yards are put up? It's about wins and they had more of them this season. I think the OC is getting a bad rap because he came from Tufts and D3. If we are all honest the QB corps was not the best. Wade was a serviceable backup. He is who he is and the offense was limited and very vanilla because of that. Clifford was not the answer. As far a Degenhardt coaches see him in practice every day. I don't think they didn't play him because they don't like him. They obviously think he cannot play or really doesn't fit in their system.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 19, 2018 8:51:59 GMT -5
We always flew to DC for GT or Towson games. This is not new. We took the bus to Georgetown both my Sophomore and Senior year. Sucks for you guys. I had a knee injury on one of those trips and sitting in the bulkhead seat for an hour and 1/2 was bad enough. I could not imagine a 7 hour drive on a bus.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 19, 2018 9:57:26 GMT -5
Please don't compare Duffner's OCs to the current. I think it's safe to say the talent level is a tad different. For those who question the OCs season....what should he have done differently with the talent he had to work with? The only game where the offense struggled where they shouldn't have was Bucknell but the Bison have always been a tough defense. We have talented receivers who did not the get the ball. How many catches did Bell, DiNicola, Ayeni have all year? OC did not get the ball to Cozier in space, where he could be even more effective than running him in between the tackles and hoping he pops. They did not run with the power back Oliver in short yardage situations. Bell comes back for a 5th year, presumably to have more tape for a UDFA chance, and is not utilized at all. It appeared we lived off the vertical passing game this year. To my eye (and not looking at the stats), it seemed we were not making short-mid yardage third down conversion completions. I hate even saying this, but we could have benefited from the screen game more- Cozier/Alexander in RB screen game and Bell and Gillium in the WR Screen game. In fact, I don't remember a HC season where the backs were used less in the passing game. Were we in max protect all year?A quick look at our year-end stats shows the following for running back receptios Year= RB Receptions/yards/touchdowns
2013= 33/303/2 (1 TD by Guild and 1 by Elad Covaliu) 2014= 32/238/0 2015= 20/127/0 2016= 17/105/0 2017= 33/392/1 (TD by Miles Alexander) 2018= 26/159/1 (TD by Domenic Cozier)
So, we certainly used the RB's less often in he passing game in 2018 than in 2017but more than in 15 or 16 . It may be more of a personnel issue than an offensive coordinator or offensive strategy issue: Gabe Guild, in my opinion, was a talented receiver, even a deep threat at times, and his graduation may have changed the coaches' thinking. I do think Dom Cozier is a good option as a receiver.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2018 10:24:42 GMT -5
Who cares how many yards are put up? It's about wins and they had more of them this season. I think the OC is getting a bad rap because he came from Tufts and D3. If we are all honest the QB corps was not the best. Wade was a serviceable backup. He is who he is and the offense was limited and very vanilla because of that. Clifford was not the answer. As far a Degenhardt coaches see him in practice every day. I don't think they didn't play him because they don't like him. They obviously think he cannot play or really doesn't fit in their system. Well, if some pieces don't yet fit, there is s a full year to smooth out the edges so they do fit better by next season. After these last 4 games, do any of us believe that Coach Chesney and his staff are not capable of doing that?
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Post by hc80 on Nov 19, 2018 10:32:49 GMT -5
The QB's on the three deep had no prior experience with the RPO, were not recruited to run such an offense, and I didn't see Tim Tebow's name on the roster. Regarding the struggles of the offense, HC had 385 yards in total offense to Bucknell's 280. HC's total offense in some other FCS games: Dartmouth, 209; UNH, 233; Fordham, 221. __________________ In the trainwreck of the 2017 season, HC had 4373 yards of total offense. In 2018, 3600 total yards. Dartmouth is one of the best teams in FCS....they weren't winning that game. UNH was just a plain old clunker and Fordham was played in terrible wind conditions. Who cares how many yards are put up? It's about wins and they had more of them this season. I think the OC is getting a bad rap because he came from Tufts and D3. If we are all honest the QB corps was not the best. Wade was a serviceable backup. He is who he is and the offense was limited and very vanilla because of that. Clifford was not the answer. As far a Degenhardt coaches see him in practice every day. I don't think they didn't play him because they don't like him. They obviously think he cannot play or really doesn't fit in their system. You can't be serious .... who cares how many yards are put up? Unless you get the ball inside your opponent's 20 yard line every time, one certainly cares! To win in college football today, you generally are going to need 5 or 6 sustained drives with points at the end of those drives out of the 13 or 14 possessions you get -- That is probably a minimum of 400 yards per game. Dartmouth this year averaged 417 yards per game. Yardage and offensive drives keep the defense off the field and gives you a chance in the wide open way college football is played today. Let's hope our head coach learned from this year.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 19, 2018 17:43:24 GMT -5
I still can't get ovah how crazy this game was lol.....another crazy game in DC this past weekend, Rick Lane's son is on a Gonzaga team that beat DeMatha 46-43, scoring on a last play Hail Mary to win a playoff game...Rick said Gonzaga is coached by a '95 HC man, didn't give the name in his fb post
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 19, 2018 19:33:13 GMT -5
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 19, 2018 21:55:27 GMT -5
I coached the Gonzaga Varsity offensive line for a year when I was still living in DC about 5 years ago - Great program, tons of talent. I'm surprised we don't get more guys from there (We need to get the Dugan's working on that)
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Post by efg72 on Nov 19, 2018 22:07:39 GMT -5
Have a video of kids in the stands praying out loud as the QB releases the Hail Mary-priceless
Very solid program and terrific school
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Post by joe on Nov 20, 2018 10:30:30 GMT -5
As I recall the bus ride in 96 was broken up by lunch and a visit with the Heisman trophy at the Downtown Athletic Club in NYC and a quick practice at Rutgers, then overnight in Delaware, before rolling into DC on game day. Ride home brutal.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 20, 2018 17:38:17 GMT -5
Dartmouth is one of the best teams in FCS....they weren't winning that game. UNH was just a plain old clunker and Fordham was played in terrible wind conditions. Who cares how many yards are put up? It's about wins and they had more of them this season. I think the OC is getting a bad rap because he came from Tufts and D3. If we are all honest the QB corps was not the best. Wade was a serviceable backup. He is who he is and the offense was limited and very vanilla because of that. Clifford was not the answer. As far a Degenhardt coaches see him in practice every day. I don't think they didn't play him because they don't like him. They obviously think he cannot play or really doesn't fit in their system. You can't be serious .... who cares how many yards are put up? Unless you get the ball inside your opponent's 20 yard line every time, one certainly cares! To win in college football today, you generally are going to need 5 or 6 sustained drives with points at the end of those drives out of the 13 or 14 possessions you get -- That is probably a minimum of 400 yards per game. Dartmouth this year averaged 417 yards per game. Yardage and offensive drives keep the defense off the field and gives you a chance in the wide open way college football is played today. Let's hope our head coach learned from this year. A good stat I guess would be starting position on each drive and how many of those yards one got. Certainly 55 out of 55 yards is better than getting 65 out of 80, the best the 65 gets you is a field goal.
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