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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 13, 2018 14:35:11 GMT -5
Probably easier said than done on further regionalization. I know the way it's set up now the committee looks at the field and the first thing they do after seeding is lay out the matchups in a way that will minimize the number of flights required to accomadate the Rounds of 24 and 16. In the history of the Patriot League, every playoff game played prior to the quarterfinals was a bus trip with the exception of Fordham @ Chattanooga a couple years ago and Lehigh @ Northern Iowa in 2010.
At a certain point, seeds need to be respected and early conference rematches avoided. Would it be fair to have #3 SDSU play #1 NDSU in the Round of 16 to hyper-regionalize an already-regionalized tournament? No.
One solution to less travel for the early games would be to shrink the field again. Should be 20, not 24. The two games I mentioned where PL teams traveled outside the CAA-NEC footprint were because of the expansion.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 15, 2018 11:23:53 GMT -5
ND State sure took care of business last night. Hope the Mainers get to play them.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 16, 2018 11:59:41 GMT -5
Maine certainly wasn't prepared for what it needed to do in order to give itself a chance. Flying across the country twice in 5 days or so? Ever hear of exam proctors, that sort of thing?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 16, 2018 12:12:27 GMT -5
Probably less expensive to fly Maine back and forth twice than to book hotel rooms for 55 players, coaching staff, managers, trainers and the band.
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Post by joe on Dec 16, 2018 12:13:25 GMT -5
Seems like the FCS playoffs is becoming a situation which is fun and interesting really for just the players and fans of one school.
I’ve yet to watch a single down of the FCS tourney since final whistle at Villanova in 2009. Can’t we just get some bowl games going among the northeast and mid-Atlantic schools? So many ways this can work.
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Post by realism on Dec 16, 2018 20:04:47 GMT -5
Seems like the FCS playoffs is becoming a situation which is fun and interesting really for just the players and fans of one school. I’ve yet to watch a single down of the FCS tourney since final whistle at Villanova in 2009. Can’t we just get some bowl games going among the northeast and mid-Atlantic schools? So many ways this can work. With all due respect, your opinions seem a bit self-serving ( H.C. alum justifying that the Ptogram isn't missing out on anything by not being eligble to play in the post-season. ) But, there is a broader perspective for some. North Dakota State is rated # 17 in Sagarin, ahead of Texas A& M, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, Stanford, Auburn, Michigan State, etc...to name a few. www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/ESPN would not have nationally broadcast the NDSU-Colgate game in its prime-time slot on Saturday am if the audience were only the parents of team members or just the audience in Fargo, N.D. (117th Media Market in the USA ). Nor would ESPNU have bothered to rebroadcast the game to a national audience a week later. Since the 2 teams expenses were paid for by the NCAA, neither institution is complaining about it. In fact it's possible to simultaneously view the FCS playoffs as "crap," and relish the free national P.R.. That is, if you're one of the institutions benefiting. H.C. should be so lucky. So, I guess for the HC faithful, the tournament is "crap."
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2018 20:17:26 GMT -5
The FCS playoffs suck...no way around it.
Garbage....set up a "bowl game" with the Ivy winners moving forward.
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Post by joe on Dec 16, 2018 20:35:14 GMT -5
I don't care if ESPN, CBS, or WWOR-9 out of Secaucus broadcasted this game or any FCS "football tournament" game. The likely higher-than-average viewership of the NDSU vs Colgate game was, I'd wager, a function of NDSU's loyal demographic, plus the Colgate contingent, plus a bunch of sports geeks who either watch too much TV or just wanted to watch a freak show juggernaut team steamroll someone.
Just giving it the eyeball test, the only people who care about the FCS playoffs are the fans of the teams in it, and pathologically intense sports fans. A local bowl game would be far more interesting, in my opinion, and something to look forward to with some regularity. Or we can just wait for NDSU and all the big bad state schools who still play in the FCS to move onto the FBS and for Orion and Mars to align so we can have our once in a lifetime championship game in the middle of the winter.
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Post by unhfan on Dec 16, 2018 20:47:34 GMT -5
I don't care if ESPN, CBS, or WWOR-9 out of Secaucus broadcasted this game or any FCS "football tournament" game. The likely higher-than-average viewership of the NDSU vs Colgate game was, I'd wager, a function of NDSU's loyal demographic, plus the Colgate contingent, plus a bunch of sports geeks who either watch too much TV or just wanted to watch a freak show juggernaut team steamroll someone. Just giving it the eyeball test, the only people who care about the FCS playoffs are the fans of the teams in it, and pathologically intense sports fans. A local bowl game would be far more interesting, in my opinion, and something to look forward to with some regularity. Or we can just wait for NDSU and all the big bad state schools who still play in the FCS to move onto the FBS and for Orion and Mars to align so we can have our once in a lifetime championship game in the middle of the winter. 😂. Yes because these minor bowls have such huge crowds and ratings! I’m sure the Motor City Bowl if it still exists will pack that place! Come on man! A chance to win a national title vs a bowl game that no one watches or goes to. Hmmmm
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 16, 2018 20:57:22 GMT -5
FCS doesn't have bowl games.
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Post by joe on Dec 16, 2018 21:12:53 GMT -5
UNHFAN, c'mon we're a tiny school. How many HC fans do you think would actually be willing and able to scramble around and fly to an FCS Championship game, across the country, with a week or two notice, in the middle of the Winter? This is frankly where the FCS playoffs fails for us. You cannot have a playoff system of this magnitude. It is interminable and inaccessible, even for die hard fans like myself. Plus, what works for a large state school like UNH may be different than what will work for HC. That being said, if dangling the chance to compete for a national championship is landing us better recruits, or if the players prefer it, so be it. However, I've seen no such proof of this since we went back to the auto-bid.
By the way, where is it stated that the champions of two similar FCS conferences cannot agree to have game at the higher seeded teams field at the end of the season, call it a bowl or whatever you wish? I'm not saying you're going to get 70,000 fans, but I'm sure that with the enthusiasm of the season still palpable, you'll get a nice crowd, and it would be exciting for the host school and community.
This is what can be considered a "reasonable goal" for a school like HC.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2018 21:13:53 GMT -5
FCS doesn't have bowl games. Actually, they kinda do...between the "Historically Black colleges and universities:...HBCU. It is what it is, but flying all ovah the country to play the likes of Weber St, Eastern Washington etc...just doesn't do it for me. A Colgate-Princeton game in NYC, Florida etc this year would have been bettah imo.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 16, 2018 21:31:32 GMT -5
Colgate seemed quite eager to take on the FCS playoffs. If we get to their level (ranked in the top 10 FCS) we’ll be eager too .
It is certainly true that they had to travel for round three (national championships tourneys work that way) this year. Last year Lehigh had to take the arduous journey to Long Island. I wouldn’t overstate the travel involved for individual PL teams.
The PL regular season trip from Colgate to Georgetown is a bit long as is a trip from Worcester to Annapolis (for example).
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Post by joe on Dec 16, 2018 21:38:22 GMT -5
We better plan to be a hell of a lot better than Colgate if we expect to get past a school like NDSU.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2018 21:39:22 GMT -5
Meh....even when we are good, the consensus was to play BC instead of participating in the 1-AA playoffs.
It's crap...NDSU vs everyone else.....pass.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 16, 2018 21:41:44 GMT -5
Meh....even when we are good, the consensus was to play BC instead of participating in the 1-AA playoffs. . [brbr]Really? One of our best teams ever (1983...before we started playing a weaker PL schedule) did both. (BC and Western Kentucky).
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2018 21:47:35 GMT -5
Western Carolina and I was one of the 13K or so souls there....I dunno, just not a fan of this format...just seems kind of "low-rent" in general.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 16, 2018 21:53:58 GMT -5
Western Carolina and I was one of the 13K or so souls there....I dunno, just not a fan of this format...just seems kind of "low-rent" in general. Not too ‘low rent’ for Colgate though. LOL In case you have forgotten the excitement around the first HC FCS playoff game you may want to re-read the recollections of a couple of HC NFLers (!) who were on the squad: goholycross.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=210200775When you have a great team, you just don’t want the season to end.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 16, 2018 21:55:43 GMT -5
FCS playoffs are ok, but it seems to be dominated by the same teams. North Dakota St.
Would rather move up then win FCS and instead have FBS teams come to Fitton during the regular season. Umass, BC, UConn, etc North Dakota St is never going to have to play in the East. Next year if we won every PL game and non conference FCS game we would still be 7 or 8 seed. The league is just not good enough.
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 16, 2018 22:04:48 GMT -5
Western Carolina and I was one of the 13K or so souls there....I dunno, just not a fan of this format...just seems kind of "low-rent" in general. Ahtist formerly known as Indianhoop, You're ok with the fact that the 1987 division 1aa national championship trophy sits in Northeast Louisiana's trophy case?
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2018 22:19:16 GMT -5
Western Carolina and I was one of the 13K or so souls there....I dunno, just not a fan of this format...just seems kind of "low-rent" in general. Ahtist formerly known as Indianhoop, You're ok with the fact that the 1987 division 1aa national championship trophy sits in Northeast Louisiana's trophy case? Semantics...true fans know that that '87 team was the best in 1-AA that year (or many other years as well). The FCS playoffs are just not that big a deal imo....a convoluted, drawn out process so that ND State can once again be crowned champs. A Patriot-Ivy Bowl game would be much bettah for players and fans alike.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 16, 2018 22:19:56 GMT -5
Three possible asterisks to the ‘87 undefeated team’s record are PL competition, no game v BC, and no national championship. Of course they were a very good HC team during a very good HC run.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2018 22:24:54 GMT -5
Best HC football team in my lifetime....no question....agreed, painful that they didn't play BC that year...but blew out Army, UMass, William&Mary...every game was ovah at halftime.
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 16, 2018 23:35:25 GMT -5
Ahtist formerly known as Indianhoop, You're ok with the fact that the 1987 division 1aa national championship trophy sits in Northeast Louisiana's trophy case? Semantics...true fans know that that '87 team was the best in 1-AA that year (or many other years as well). The FCS playoffs are just not that big a deal imo....a convoluted, drawn out process so that ND State can once again be crowned champs. A Patriot-Ivy Bowl game would be much bettah for players and fans alike. PL-Ivy game??? Booooring!!!! We already play them during the season and few care. Dump them altogether and replace them with caa games.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2018 23:46:32 GMT -5
Untrue imo....more HC fans care about the Ivy games than they do about the PL games....do you really care about HC-Lafayette more than HC-Harvard?
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