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Post by hcpride on Dec 20, 2018 7:40:45 GMT -5
Not sure I'd call Dan Hunt a pessimist, but here is what he said yesterday regarding the impact of Colgate's playoff run on this year's recruiting:
"Some of these kids have been committed for a long time and some of them committed just last night, with a range of everything in between," he said. "A lot of them were along for the ride with us this season, and the level of success we had on the national level appealed to them. "They want to be part of it and they want to keep it going." Playoff Momentum Paid Dividends
Colgate, of course, won its first nine games and earned the Patriot League's first NCAA national playoff seed at No. 8. They Raiders then knocked off sixth-ranked James Madison 23-20 before falling to No. 1 North Dakota State. Those playoff moments kept the coaching staff occupied and off the recruiting trail. But the Raiders were garnering plenty of publicity, and that definitely appealed to this year's class. "The key is sending the message that, 'Yeah, we'd love to be at your school and your house but we're still playing for a national championship,'" Hunt said. "Our last week of the season, there were only eight teams playing. We like to think that our recruits see that and understand we will be there as soon as we can.
gocolgateraiders.com/news/2018/12/18/colgate-football-early-signing-day-central.aspx
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Post by realism on Dec 20, 2018 11:00:13 GMT -5
Just seems like most PL teams will be waiting till the cows come home for the great recruitment tool of an FCS playoff run to actually become a thing. How about a game such as this to fill the void of a rivalry and to give some realistic hope of some post season victory on a more regular basis? Also it would be a nice tune up for the playoffs. Plus maybe the IL could be coaxed out of their oath of no post season for a one game tilt? Seems like it could be a nice little tradition. "waiting till the cows come home" is a good characterization of the HC FB Program's quest for an identity. I don't think Dan Hunt or Colgate would advocate the FCS playoffs as the perfect solution for post-season play. But, there certainly is a difference in perspective between Colgate on the inside of the FCS playoffs ( warts and all ) from HC, the perennial outsider looking at it as an institution that hasn't been a player in the post season for decades.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 20, 2018 11:23:12 GMT -5
Just seems like most PL teams will be waiting till the cows come home for the great recruitment tool of an FCS playoff run to actually become a thing. How about a game such as this to fill the void of a rivalry and to give some realistic hope of some post season victory on a more regular basis? Also it would be a nice tune up for the playoffs. Plus maybe the IL could be coaxed out of their oath of no post season for a one game tilt? Seems like it could be a nice little tradition. "waiting till the cows come home" is a good characterization of the HC FB Program's quest for an identity. I don't think Dan Hunt or Colgate would advocate the FCS playoffs as the perfect solution for post-season play. But, there certainly is a difference in perspective between Colgate on the inside of the FCS playoffs ( warts and all ) from HC, the perennial outsider looking at it as an institution that hasn't been a player in the post season for decades. I guess you must have missed the PL championship with Dom Randolph at the helm and the post-season game versus Villanova...
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 20, 2018 11:30:57 GMT -5
9 pages for a Colgate football playoff topic ? ! - their board doesn't have 9 pages of football posts in a year ! Let's close this out and talk HC related comments elsewhere
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Post by joe on Dec 20, 2018 12:16:15 GMT -5
"waiting till the cows come home" is a good characterization of the HC FB Program's quest for an identity. I don't think Dan Hunt or Colgate would advocate the FCS playoffs as the perfect solution for post-season play. But, there certainly is a difference in perspective between Colgate on the inside of the FCS playoffs ( warts and all ) from HC, the perennial outsider looking at it as an institution that hasn't been a player in the post season for decades. I guess you must have missed the PL championship with Dom Randolph at the helm and the post-season game versus Villanova... Ok but truthfully, how did this work out for Holy Cross? The program slowly fell apart after that. No one is claiming the FCS playoffs are not a good thing for a program, just not as good as some might think.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 20, 2018 12:29:47 GMT -5
"waiting till the cows come home" is a good characterization of the HC FB Program's quest for an identity. I don't think Dan Hunt or Colgate would advocate the FCS playoffs as the perfect solution for post-season play. But, there certainly is a difference in perspective between Colgate on the inside of the FCS playoffs ( warts and all ) from HC, the perennial outsider looking at it as an institution that hasn't been a player in the post season for decades. I guess you must have missed the PL championship with Dom Randolph at the helm and the post-season game versus Villanova... realism has a valid point. And that single (and brief) appearance about a decade ago is an exception that proves the rule.
(FWIW we have appeared twice in the playoffs and both times played a single game: 1983 and 2009)
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Post by joe on Dec 20, 2018 12:42:22 GMT -5
The FCS playoffs for HC in 2009 is analogous to the 2016 PLC in hoops. What should have been turning points for both programs were, most assuredly, not.
By the way, I'm not saying HC should boycott the FCS playoffs. It's just that, as realism said, most teams end up "waiting for the cows to come home," and even when the cows come home, they really don't. The FCS playoffs being a catalyst to PL recruiting just seems to be an empty promise made a couple of decades ago. IL and CAA are still winning the recruitment battle. Sorry if the truth hurts. How can anyone who has followed HC football closely think any different? And I've watched virtually every game for 25 years.
Like all of us, I'd love to see HC become so powerful that it rolls through the PL, OOC, and makes deep cuts into the FCS every year but, c'mon, statistically and realistically speaking, with all the handicapping the PL does with schollie limits, roster size, and AI, in addition to the institutional castration by HC, plus FBS-caliber teams still playing FCS football, is this really going to happen? Give Coach Chesney a break and don't be unrealistic with where this program can go, otherwise everyone will be calling for his head in a few years. We need to be realistic about what we can do within a very difficult framework.
I'd be happy with the auto-bid but at the same time I do think an end of year series between the PL and IL champs would be a lot of fun, and a win-win for both leagues. We can always pull out once we become the FCS juggernaut that some of us here think we're going to be, although I think most of us will be dead and buried by then. I see it as something to realistically look forward to with some regularity, perhaps after the BC hype wears off, as opposed to this epic jaunt through the FCS playoffs that seems less and less likely to happen the more the upper tier schools like NDSU distance themselves from the pack.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 20, 2018 15:01:10 GMT -5
The FCS playoffs for HC in 2009 is analogous to the 2016 PLC in hoops. What should have been turning points for both programs were, most assuredly, not. By the way, I'm not saying HC should boycott the FCS playoffs. It's just that, as realism said, most teams end up "waiting for the cows to come home," and even when the cows come home, they really don't. The FCS playoffs being a catalyst to PL recruiting just seems to be an empty promise made a couple of decades ago. IL and CAA are still winning the recruitment battle. Sorry if the truth hurts. How can anyone who has followed HC football closely think any different? And I've watched virtually every game for 25 years. Like all of us, I'd love to see HC become so powerful that it rolls through the PL, OOC, and makes deep cuts into the FCS every year but, c'mon, statistically and realistically speaking, with all the handicapping the PL does with schollie limits, roster size, and AI, in addition to the institutional castration by HC, plus FBS-caliber teams still playing FCS football, is this really going to happen? Give Coach Chesney a break and don't be unrealistic with where this program can go, otherwise everyone will be calling for his head in a few years. We need to be realistic about what we can do within a very difficult framework. I'd be happy with the auto-bid but at the same time I do think an end of year series between the PL and IL champs would be a lot of fun, and a win-win for both leagues. We can always pull out once we become the FCS juggernaut that some of us here think we're going to be, although I think most of us will be dead and buried by then. I see it as something to realistically look forward to with some regularity, perhaps after the BC hype wears off, as opposed to this epic jaunt through the FCS playoffs that seems less and less likely to happen the more the upper tier schools like NDSU distance themselves from the pack. I think I would rather see us play in the national playoffs than the New England Nerd Bowl.
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Post by joe on Dec 20, 2018 15:25:39 GMT -5
The FCS playoffs for HC in 2009 is analogous to the 2016 PLC in hoops. What should have been turning points for both programs were, most assuredly, not. By the way, I'm not saying HC should boycott the FCS playoffs. It's just that, as realism said, most teams end up "waiting for the cows to come home," and even when the cows come home, they really don't. The FCS playoffs being a catalyst to PL recruiting just seems to be an empty promise made a couple of decades ago. IL and CAA are still winning the recruitment battle. Sorry if the truth hurts. How can anyone who has followed HC football closely think any different? And I've watched virtually every game for 25 years. Like all of us, I'd love to see HC become so powerful that it rolls through the PL, OOC, and makes deep cuts into the FCS every year but, c'mon, statistically and realistically speaking, with all the handicapping the PL does with schollie limits, roster size, and AI, in addition to the institutional castration by HC, plus FBS-caliber teams still playing FCS football, is this really going to happen? Give Coach Chesney a break and don't be unrealistic with where this program can go, otherwise everyone will be calling for his head in a few years. We need to be realistic about what we can do within a very difficult framework. I'd be happy with the auto-bid but at the same time I do think an end of year series between the PL and IL champs would be a lot of fun, and a win-win for both leagues. We can always pull out once we become the FCS juggernaut that some of us here think we're going to be, although I think most of us will be dead and buried by then. I see it as something to realistically look forward to with some regularity, perhaps after the BC hype wears off, as opposed to this epic jaunt through the FCS playoffs that seems less and less likely to happen the more the upper tier schools like NDSU distance themselves from the pack. I think I would rather see us play in the national playoffs than the New England Nerd Bowl. Are people actually reading these posts? I'm not saying to replace the FCS with a "Nerd Bowl," which by the way is frankly offensive and trivializing way to describe the football players in the PL and IL. And by your criteria, virtually every game we play is a "Nerd Bowl." Go up to one of our players and call him a Nerd and see how that goes.
I don't want to argue though. Carry on.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 20, 2018 15:31:28 GMT -5
I think I would rather see us play in the national playoffs than the New England Nerd Bowl. Are people actually reading these posts? I'm not saying to replace the FCS with a "Nerd Bowl," which by the way is frankly offensive and trivializing way to describe the football players in the PL and IL. And by your criteria, virtually every game we play is a "Nerd Bowl." Go up to one of our players and call him a Nerd and see how that goes.
I don't want to argue though. Carry on.
1. I was obviously joking. 2. As a former player, I would not be offended in this context, nor would I be afraid to say nerd bowl to any player (past or present). 3. If I read your post correctly, you were stating that a nerd bowl b/t PL and IL champs at end of season is preferable to losing to NDSU, etc. I disagree. Playing the IL is important and should be included in our OOC schedule. We have lost enough good years trying to tie ourselves to the IL. Screw them. We should drop the AI and start winning some FCS championships.
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Post by joe on Dec 20, 2018 16:32:39 GMT -5
Are people actually reading these posts? I'm not saying to replace the FCS with a "Nerd Bowl," which by the way is frankly offensive and trivializing way to describe the football players in the PL and IL. And by your criteria, virtually every game we play is a "Nerd Bowl." Go up to one of our players and call him a Nerd and see how that goes.
I don't want to argue though. Carry on.
1. I was obviously joking. 2. As a former player, I would not be offended in this context, nor would I be afraid to say nerd bowl to any player (past or present). 3. If I read your post correctly, you were stating that a nerd bowl b/t PL and IL champs at end of season is preferable to losing to NDSU, etc. I disagree. Playing the IL is important and should be included in our OOC schedule. We have lost enough good years trying to tie ourselves to the IL. Screw them. We should drop the AI and start winning some FCS championships. I agree with all of what you are stating except what needs to be done to achieve this (dropping AI, etc.) does not appear to be even a remote possibility. I wish it were. As a former player also, I would dislike the term Nerd Bowl. The limited context of your post did not read, to me, like you were “obviously joking.” If so, fine, let’s move on. So you’d rather lose to NDSU somewhere in the wilds of middle America in the dead of winter in the playoffs than beat Princeton, for example, in a Nerd Bowl at Fitton Field in November, in a game a lot fans and alumni can actually attend. I get that, but I think we could - and should - do both. I see all the other “bowl” supporters are letting me fight this one out on my own. Until we figure out a way to succeed enough to compare ourselves to CAA teams, we should hang onto our affiliation to the IL like grim death.
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 20, 2018 16:40:23 GMT -5
Recruiting is difficult enough... think of what would happen if non-participation in the FCS playoffs became a reality again. The pool of SAs who would consider Holy Cross is already narrow enough, considering the AI, HC's academic profile, no redshirting, etc. Adding in another parameter that could make HC less attractive is not the path that should be taken here.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 20, 2018 16:56:05 GMT -5
joe - I was initially reading your post as choosing to play the IL champ in lieu of participation in the playoffs. I would be against same, but see that i read that wrong. I think a 12th game against IL's champ at the end of the season would be good, especially if it was against the Johnnies, presuming we were still playing in the playoffs with the autobid. I think the IL would have to start to a week earlier than they do now to permit the PL to do both Nerd Bowl and Playoffs. I would not want such bowl in lieu of the FBS OCC game. It would have to replace one of the other OOC games, presumably an IL game.
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Post by joe on Dec 20, 2018 18:35:47 GMT -5
See, we agree after all.
Bang out a quick Nerd Bowl and then onto the FCS football tournament!
Yes the IL will need to join this century and start their season a tad earlier which, if history is a guide, they should be doing anyway.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 20, 2018 22:22:51 GMT -5
Put this thread to bed, Dean. Please.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 28, 2018 15:04:26 GMT -5
A little off the subject, but did I just hear the announcers on the Music City Bowl (Auburn v. Purdue) note that a Purdue linebacker, playing D-line today, “went to Holy Cross”? Did we have someone transfer? Someone who had a fifth year of eligibility?
Or did I mis-hear???
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Post by breezy on Dec 28, 2018 15:18:24 GMT -5
I was only half paying attention but I did hear a reference to "Holy Cross" as well. I checked the Purdue roster, and did not recognize any names of anyone who had played at Holy Cross. There is one player -- a sophomore linebacker -- who attended Holy Cross HS in Covington, KY.
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 28, 2018 15:19:06 GMT -5
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 28, 2018 15:20:58 GMT -5
I was only half paying attention but I did hear a reference to "Holy Cross" as well. I checked the Purdue roster, and did not recognize any names of anyone who had played at Holy Cross. There is one player -- a sophomore linebacker -- who attended Holy Cross HS in Covington, KY. Glad we’re all looking out for any chance to give props to Alma Mater!
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Post by breezy on Dec 28, 2018 15:21:02 GMT -5
There is also this tweet --
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