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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2018 10:36:42 GMT -5
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 21, 2018 10:45:09 GMT -5
Maybe they hire Liam Coen
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 21, 2018 10:58:17 GMT -5
They can fire Mark Whipple, but lets be honest who wants to play FBS for Umass. Its a joke, they have no fanbase, they play FCS teams, they can't even compete with BC. But oh, they can play against Georgia and loose by 30. They should run back to FCS.
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Post by breezy on Nov 21, 2018 11:06:32 GMT -5
There have been some tweets by UMass fans listing potential new coaches. Chesney and Coen have been included in those lists.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 21, 2018 11:15:20 GMT -5
For a Pennsylvania guy, Bob Chesney seems to get a lot of love in the Bay State.
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Post by rf1 on Nov 21, 2018 11:28:44 GMT -5
His protege at Brown, Phil Estes is out as well.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 21, 2018 11:39:00 GMT -5
Tim, 'most of us would kill for what they had' - I don't think so announced crowd at Gillette for their BYU game was 13000 - for those in attendance it was closer to half of that number.
All that said, it will be very interesting to see how much they want to invest in a head coach (for a program without a league affiliation)
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Post by hcpride on Nov 21, 2018 11:54:49 GMT -5
No doubt they should have stayed CAA and continued (and developed) regional rivalries with URI, MAINE, UNH, etc; with HC, etc as OOC; and perhaps an occasional game v FBS UConn or BC.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2018 12:10:06 GMT -5
Tim, 'most of us would kill for what they had' - I don't think so announced crowd at Gillette for their BYU game was 13000 - for those in attendance it was closer to half of that number. All that said, it will be very interesting to see how much they want to invest in a head coach (for a program without a league affiliation) I meant what their attendance was in 2010 playing in the CAA at the time....average that year was 13K, excluding the Gillette game where they drew 32K vs UNH. This year in Amherst the average was less; and even if the BYU attendance was true, wouldn't have jacked it up that much.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 21, 2018 14:30:14 GMT -5
There have been some tweets by UMass fans listing potential new coaches. Chesney and Coen have been included in those lists. Anyone think that Cheney would be tempted ? What would the salary range be ?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 21, 2018 14:33:50 GMT -5
God, I hope not. He seems have adopted HC on a number of levels. Think if money became an issue, HC might step up and match whatever UMass offered. However, having said that, I don't see him giving up what he has for UMass with its many problems and issues. (And I really hope that is not just wishful thinking.)
Of course, he will be mentioned on the wish list of other schools. They would be foolish not to try. But, he signed up to do a job in rescuing and rebuilding HC football and that job still has a way to go.
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 21, 2018 14:44:33 GMT -5
I'm not so sure he will be given an opportunity just yet. He's been here for 1 year and went 5-6. I think we all agree he did a good job in his first year and is making in roads on the recruiting front, but I can't imagine he would be a hire at FBS quite yet. When he turns this around in 3 to 4 years we could be singing a different tune.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 21, 2018 14:46:44 GMT -5
Is Umass really FBS ?
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Post by HC92 on Nov 21, 2018 14:57:10 GMT -5
Can’t see Chesney leaving after 1 year for UMass. That job is a coaching graveyard. Build HC back and there will be a much better job waiting than UMass. Plus I’m not even sure HC would grant him permission to talk to them.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2018 14:58:24 GMT -5
I don't think Chesney would even be considered and I also think the position is a potential career-killer. So let's say there's "mutual disinterest"! Whipple's salary www.boydsbets.com/highest-paid-college-football-coaches/ Saw another site where it showed the average MAC salary was the lowest, around 500K. So they didn't upgrade the position when they left the MAC. Low as that is on the FBS scale, it's plenty more than HC, is it not?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 21, 2018 15:11:43 GMT -5
Good question. I have no idea.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 21, 2018 15:39:00 GMT -5
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Post by bigfan on Nov 21, 2018 18:09:04 GMT -5
I'm sure that Chesney would listen if Umass calls, why would he pass up opportunity to coach in D1 as compared to D1A and the Patriot League. Hopefully Umass will not call, I would like to see what he can due after he recruits for three years.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 21, 2018 19:04:19 GMT -5
What is Bob Chesney’s record as far as jumping early vs completing a contract? Did he leave SR early or Assumption eArly? I see him staying at HC and moving the program forward.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 21, 2018 19:06:09 GMT -5
I'm sure that Chesney would listen if Umass calls, why would he pass up opportunity to coach in D1 as compared to D1A and the Patriot League. Hopefully Umass will not call, I would like to see what he can due after he recruits for three years. Agree that he would have to at least listen. HC did actually improve his first FCS year (consecutive 4-7's to a 5-6) following a terrific string at the D-II level. He goes back to 4-7 next year (or 4-8), you can bet nobody is calling. Coaches know how that game works. (Realistically and notwithstanding his friendship with Coen, can't see him jumping after - or even being offered - this year).
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Post by rf1 on Nov 21, 2018 19:28:26 GMT -5
Umass, for a state flagship school with an undergraduate enrollment of 23,500, doesn't really draw well for any sports. This year its FBS football team drew an average of 10,385 (LY was 10,707). Its basketball team is averaging 2,453 through its first five games (LY was 2,994). Its nationally #4 ranked hockey team is averaging 4,238 through four games. UMass has historically had poor attendance most years unless its team is extremely successful. Its core loyal fan numbers that come out regardless of record are relatively small, even more so when measured against its massive enrollment.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 21, 2018 20:25:32 GMT -5
hoops, I don't give a rat's rump if former VP Dick Cheney takes the UMass job. However, I really hope and think Bob Chesney will want to stay at Holy Cross rather than commute to UMass as I don't think he wants to move his family.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 21, 2018 20:33:50 GMT -5
Probably double or more than what Bob Chesney getting. My recollection was when I researched it 1-2 years ago, Tom Gilmore was in the $250K range and he had been coaching 10+ years at Holy Cross. I guarantee you Chesney was not given the same salary as Gilmore in his first year here coming from Assumption.
If $$$ is his motivator, and I don't think it is, he would jump. I think he's "deeper" than that putting family first and he can certainly pay the bills living in Worcester at the salary he's making. I also think, like TG, he "gets" and values Holy Cross' mission and values. My impression, too, from talking to him is that he believes in fulfilling commitments.
I also agree that in 2-4 years if he has turned the Crusader program around as he has done at Salve and Assumption, schools a lot better than UMass will come calling.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 21, 2018 20:45:55 GMT -5
Ches was offered about what TG made, but took less than offered in order to be able to swing more $ to his staff.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 21, 2018 20:53:47 GMT -5
I think the question is what your definition of "about" is. I think we all speculated when he first got hired and I would guess, $200K-$225K. We'll now for sure 2 years after his hire when the federal forms for non-profits will show it. In any case, UMass could potentially pay a lot more.
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