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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 2, 2019 16:47:44 GMT -5
Because we did not have enough experienced players who could get the job done (as in no seniors). I would have thought you would be aware of that. It was the older players who got the first shot, but when they could not get it done, the frosh got time. Two freshman (Green and Grandison) started in the season opener last year, and Butler and Faw came off the bench to play double digit minutes. So the freshmen class was thrown into the fire from day one. The larger point here is that we are one of the thinnest teams in terms of bench minutes (18.4% of minutes is played by the bench), and if one of the freshmen were ready to play they would likely be in the rotation. It's fair for possum to question the talent level in the freshmen class relative to the rest of the league as this class has played a total of 17 minutes through 13 games. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 2, 2019 17:17:39 GMT -5
The season started with the first practice, not the first game. It is "fair" to question almost anything. That does not mean that one is necessarily correct.
I believed that one of the purposes for this thread was to provide a sounding board for criticism of the coaching staff and of their recruiting ability. We'll know (as I have said many times before) how well they did when these players finish their HC careers. As others have said, I can remember the criticism that was heaped on many players who made an important contribution to Holy Cross before they left (Green at the back of the 1-3-1 for example).
Yes, HC Is one of the thinnest in the PL in terms of bench minutes at this point. With two players lost for several game (thus far) to injury, the situation changed. The players who are getting it done were tested...and found able to handle things quite well. I believe this sort of discussion is best held at the end of the season, but if one needs to be able to criticize the abilities of the frosh, go for it. Perhaps you are seeing the practices that most of us have not.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 2, 2019 17:40:01 GMT -5
I believed that one of the purposes for this thread was to provide a sounding board for criticism of the coaching staff and of their recruiting ability. I created this thread for the same reason I created an identical one last year - to track the freshmen around the league. I didn't do it last year to particularly trumpet the accomplishments of HC's six freshmen, and I'm not doing it this year to highlight the lack of minutes by HC's current freshmen. Just interested in the general subject - no ulterior motive of "purpose" to it whatsoever.. |
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Post by possum on Jan 2, 2019 18:13:19 GMT -5
I questioned the use of these scholarships last year so it's not a second guess. It doesn't matter what I think of the freshmen but based on his actions Carmody doesn't have confidence in them. He's playing guys 40 minutes a game out of necessity not choice.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 2, 2019 18:59:48 GMT -5
WG - Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 2, 2019 19:05:56 GMT -5
Well......as long as there are some healthy bodies on the bench...he is technically making a choice, I would say, to play the starters the heavy minutes.
Who knows, maybe both MH and BV are looking terrible in practice to the coach. And yet - maybe if we were able to see a few practices we would ask "why aren't they playing?" I think it really depends on what a coach values. Maybe, if other PL coaches had this roster, the minutes would be distributed differently. I don't know.....I (like others, I think) worry about depth and fatigue; I think trust is much more important to the coach. It just seems like he would rather undergo multiple root canals than play someone that he feels cannot be trusted to either take care of the ball, or provide scoring. Just the vibe I get.
Really interesting topic to me, particularly when it comes to player development, because it is easy to second guess. How many times does a player (not talking just HC, everywhere) come out of nowhere to come in and make an immediate impact? A common response from fans is "why wasn't he playing earlier, what's wrong with the coach??" You don't often hear that just maybe the coaching staff took the wraps off the player at just the right time. Guess it comes with the territory.
And speaking of development, I would think part of the job for a good assistant coach would be to provide mentorship for young players who are not getting the run they hoped for when they first came on board. I would think this would be a huge part of the development process. Hopefully that is happening with MH andBV.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 4, 2019 18:16:50 GMT -5
Through games of February 2nd. Limited to top 10 players, based on total minutes. Minimum 300 minutes. Listed in order of minutes per game, broken into two groups. Per game averages for points, assists, rebounds (minimum 2.0 for all categories) - leaders in bold - and RoW award(s). Additions/corrections, please.
Tucker Richardson (COL), 6-5 G 32.2m, 7.3p, 4.5r, 3.2a RoW
John Carter, Jr. (NAV), 6-4 G 24.8m, 7.3p, 4.6r RoW(3)
Jaylin Andrews (LOY), 6-4 G 19.6m, 5.0p, 2.4r RoW
Kenny Jones (LOY), 6-0 G 18.3m, 5.6p, 2.0a
Isaac Suffren (LAF), 6-4 G 17.9m, 6.6p, 3.0r
Garrett Pascoe (BU), 6-3 G 17.3m, 2.1p, 2.3a
Josh Caldwell (ARM), 6-2 G 15.4m, 3.8p, 2.8r
Fletcher Tynen (BU), 6-7 G 15.2m, 3.6p, 2.2r
Jordan Guest (BU), 6-8 F 14.6m, 5.2p, 3.5r RoW
Jonas Harper (BU), 6-2 G 13.8m, 4.7p RoW
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Post by bison137 on Feb 4, 2019 18:59:14 GMT -5
It's interesting how playing time has changed for some frosh since Christmas. Here are the 12 players who are averaging 12.5 mpg or more in PL play (with their total minutes in PL games shown):
Richardson, T . Colg . 335
Andrews, Jaylin . Loy . 219
Carter Jr, John . Navy . 218
Jones, Kenneth . Loy . 185
Suffren, Isaac . LC . 170
Perry, Tyrone . LC . 161
Harper, Jonas . Bos . 159
Alexander, Josh . AU . 145
Ochiaka, Casmir . Loy . 138
Boonyasith, J. . AU . 137
Tynen, Fletcher . Bos . 132
Funk, Andrew . Buck . 130
Tynen, Guest, and Caldwell have had their minutes cut dramatically and don't seem to be candidates for the all-rookie team. And Nic Lynch of Lehigh, who was the preseason favorite for ROY, is down to 8.5 mpg. I think Richardson is a sure thing for the all-rookie team, and Andrews and Carter have a good shot. Beyond that, I think any player on the above list still has a shot since many of the voters seem to put most of the weight on the league season when it comes to freshmen. And some freshmen will do a lot more in the last nine games than they did in the first nine. Injuries will also play a role in who gets more playing time.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 4, 2019 19:19:07 GMT -5
What do the numbers after their names represent ?
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Post by bison137 on Feb 4, 2019 19:31:37 GMT -5
What do the numbers after their names represent ? Minutes played in PL games. |
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Post by bison137 on Feb 25, 2019 23:41:04 GMT -5
I just updated numbers for freshmen on our board, partly in response to questions as to whether Funk has a chance to grab a spot. For those who are interested, I have copied my post:
Updating this list. Not surprisingly, things have changed dramatically. Playing time and role are tremendously important. Lynch, Guest, Caldwell, and Hemphill have had their minutes diminish significantly. Wilson and Ochiaka have seen their minutes increase recently due to LU and Loyola injuries. And Andrews has also been playing a lot more than earlier in the season.
Looking just at the PL games - which typically seem to be the driver of the All-Rookie team since they are more recent and put everyone on a level playing field - it appears that Richardson is a lock. He came into a perfect situation - being surrounded by three stars plus a four year center - but on a team that has no true big guard or small forward. Also Carter seems to be close to a lock as well. Harper may have a good chance if only recent games are considered. And Loyola's trio - Jones, Ochiaka, and Andrews - are likely in the running, as are a couple of others.
As for Funk, he has a shot if coaches look at performance as opposed to absolute numbers. He has not scored as much as many of the others, since he is surrounded by veterans in a win-now mode and is playing fewer minutes. But he is 2nd in points per minute and 4th in effective FG pct (2nd among the guards) in PL games. So it is possible he may have impressed enough coaches to grab a spot, although I wouldn't bet on it. Having said that, I think he is one of the league's top five freshmen and will show that next year.
What really can't be judged statistically is how well these guys play defense and how well they handle the ball. I didn't list turnovers but that obviously is important as well. Hard to judge that statistically, however, since role is so important. Fwiw, the three with the fewest turnovers per minute are Andrews, Perry, and Funk.
Here are PL stats for all of the freshmen who have played 190+ minutes in PL play - plus Nic Lynch, who most thought would be ROY back in November:
Total Minutes, Rebounds, Assists, Points, PPG, and Effective FG Pct:
Player / Team Min Reb Ast Pts PPG EFG
Alexander, J AU 221 39 8 77 4.8 51.8%
Andrews, J Loy 406 43 17 111 7.9 51.1%
Boonyasith, J AU 294 29 18 73 4.6 47.7%
Carter, J Na 397 76 17 134 8.4 48.7%
Duhart, A Ar 200 16 20 50 3.1 48.9%
Funk, A Buck 211 25 13 83 5.2 56.5%
Harper, J Bos 263 26 9 109 6.8 72.5%
Jones, K Loy 329 24 37 94 5.9 50.0%
Lynch, N Leh 146 37 11 32 2.3 45.5%
Ochiaka, C Loy 264 75 6 79 4.9 62.3%
Perry, T LC 238 27 16 53 3.3 41.9%
Richardson, T Col 547 67 78 141 8.8 56.4%
Suffern, I LC 270 44 16 103 6.4 47.5%
Tynen, F Bos 193 24 6 35 2.2 46.3%
Wilson, J Leh 264 42 17 42 4.5 65.9%
Points, Rebounds, and Assists per Minute:
Player / Team PPM RPM APM
Alexander, J AU 0.35 0.18 0.04
Andrews, J Loy 0.27 0.11 0.04
Boonyasith, J AU 0.25 0.10 0.06
Carter, J Na 0.34 0.19 0.04
Duhart, A Ar 0.25 0.08 0.10
Funk, A Buck 0.39 0.12 0.06
Harper, J Bos 0.41 0.10 0.03
Jones, K Loy 0.29 0.07 0.11
Lynch, N Leh 0.22 0.25 0.08
Ochiaka, C Loy 0.30 0.28 0.02
Perry, T LC 0.22 0.11 0.07
Richardson, T Col 0.26 0.12 0.14
Suffern, I LC 0.38 0.16 0.06
Tynen, F Bos 0.18 0.12 0.03
Wilson, J Leh 0.16 0.16 0.06
Points per Game:
Richardson, T Col 8.8
Carter, J Na 8.4
Andrews, J Loy 7.9
Harper, J Bos 6.8
Suffern, I LC 6.4
Jones, K Loy 5.9
Funk, A Buck 5.2
Ochiaka, C Loy 4.9
Alexander, J AU 4.8
Boonyasith, J AU 4.6
Wilson, J Leh 4.5
Perry, T LC 3.3
Duhart, A Ar 3.1
Lynch, N Leh 2.3
Tynen, F Bos 2.2
Points per Minute:
Harper, J Bos 0.41
Funk, A Buck 0.39
Suffern, I LC 0.38
Alexander, J AU 0.35
Carter, J Na 0.34
Ochiaka, C Loy 0.30
Jones, K Loy 0.29
Andrews, J Loy 0.27
Richardson, T Col 0.26
Duhart, A Ar 0.25
Boonyasith, J AU 0.25
Perry, T LC 0.22
Lynch, N Leh 0.22
Tynen, F Bos 0.18
Wilson, J Leh 0.16
Effective FG Pct:
Harper, J Bos 72.5%
Wilson, J Leh 65.9%
Ochiaka, C Loy 62.3%
Funk, A Buck 56.5%
Richardson, T Col 56.4%
Alexander, J AU 51.8%
Andrews, J Loy 51.1%
Jones, K Loy 50.0%
Duhart, A Ar 48.9%
Carter, J Na 48.7%
Boonyasith, J AU 47.7%
Suffern, I LC 47.5%
Tynen, F Bos 46.3%
Lynch, N Leh 45.5%
Perry, T LC 41.9%
Rebounds per Minute:
Ochiaka, C Loy 0.28
Lynch, N Leh 0.25
Carter, J Na 0.19
Alexander, J AU 0.18
Suffern, I LC 0.16
Wilson, J Leh 0.16
Tynen, F Bos 0.12
Richardson, T Col 0.12
Funk, A Buck 0.12
Perry, T LC 0.11
Andrews, J Loy 0.11
Harper, J Bos 0.10
Boonyasith, J AU 0.10
Duhart, A Ar 0.08
Jones, K Loy 0.07
Assists per Minute:
Richardson, T Col 0.14
Jones, K Loy 0.11
Duhart, A Ar 0.10
Lynch, N Leh 0.08
Perry, T LC 0.07
Wilson, J Leh 0.06
Funk, A Buck 0.06
Boonyasith, J AU 0.06
Suffern, I LC 0.06
Carter, J Na 0.04
Andrews, J Loy 0.04
Alexander, J AU 0.04
Harper, J Bos 0.03
Tynen, F Bos 0.03
Ochiaka, C Loy 0.02
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