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Post by hcpride on Dec 26, 2018 16:04:10 GMT -5
BC's applicant and accepted student data from last year is interesting (I do note a school that is missing and a school that is present near the top of the list). Click on image:
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Post by Tom on Dec 26, 2018 16:04:26 GMT -5
There could be some apples and oranges going on here between schools that are desirable to high school kids and schools that are desirable to grad schools/employers. There could very well be some central CT kids who choose Villanova over HC thinking its a better school, but wind up getting rejected from grad schools where their high school buddies that went to HC get into
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 26, 2018 17:31:21 GMT -5
92,
My experience as an educator/counselor/coach and that of my high school counselors (in the Mercy graduate counseling program) would be much like yours (BC, HC, Villanova, Fairfield, Fordham).
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Post by hc87 on Dec 27, 2018 3:46:05 GMT -5
Since we aren't that good of a school anymore, can we now join the freakin' Big East finally at long last???
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Post by hcpride on Dec 27, 2018 6:39:31 GMT -5
BC's applicant and accepted student data from last year is interesting (I do note a school that is missing and a school that is present near the top of the list). Click on image: All are universities. Very interesting. LoveHC The same goes for HC's top four cross applicant schools: BC, Fordham, Providence, UMass Amherst (listed alphabetically) Beyond that, BC's list reflects what I now see in the field (and on Naviance) for a typical BC applicant. Top 4 cross applications were Georgetown, Villanova, Notre Dame, and Northeastern in that order last year. Top 4 cross-admitted (in other words , the accepted applicant at BC also was admitted to these schools) were Villanova, Northeastern, Boston University and Fordham in that order.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 27, 2018 6:59:46 GMT -5
Nice to know that BC is still the safety school for both Holy Cross and Georgetown.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 27, 2018 7:25:28 GMT -5
Georgetown remains more difficult to get into than BC (while it is BC's #1 cross applicant, it is #8 in terms of acceptance overlap). Villanova is the most similar to BC nowadays in terms of applicants and acceptances (BC's #2 cross applicant and #1 in terms of acceptance overlap). HC is statistically absent from BC's top 12 cross applicant list and top 12 accepted applicant list (although Fordham is present in both). Attachments:
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Post by Chu Chu on Dec 29, 2018 11:14:58 GMT -5
Part of the reason we do not show up in these statistics must be the fact that Holy Cross is a much smaller student body than any of these universities, has a smaller applicant pool, and consequently, will have a smaller number of applicants visible to these other schools. Our cross applicant statistics are much more meaningful for us.
We should stop this self flagellation!
Go Cross!
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2018 11:54:23 GMT -5
Good point, Chu, but perhaps equally important is that TPTB atop Mt. St. James sees Holy Cross as a unique educational experience that only a niche of high schools students would be interested in attending and also have the qualifications that Holy Cross is looking for. In other words, it is not a place for everyone and there is probably limited interest in expanding its appeal to students who aren't looking for what HC offers (i.e. it's small; there is exclusive focus on undergrad programs; it has a Jesuit/Catholic identity; we want student-athletes with the emphasis on the former; we have professors who teach and that's their primary focus - the student; it looks to serve students who want to be "men and women for others" and not necessarily make the most money - though that's OK too). Being the only Jesuit educational institution with purely a liberal arts undergrad program, it seems TPTB want to keep that exclusivity. I just don't think that Holy Cross "competes" with anyone. We are what we are. BC, Notre Dame, Villanova, Georgetown do what they do well. Holy Cross does what it does well. One is not necessarily better than the other - just different.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 29, 2018 12:30:05 GMT -5
Good point, sader70. "we have professors who teach and that's their primary focus - the student" During my years in several grad schools, I often took a course because of the great reputation of a professor. Then I found out that his reputation (and publishing) was more important to him than the students who sat in his classes. When I had the pleasure of a prof who cared first about his students, it was truly a gift (bt far too infrequent). My years at HC spoiled me for academic indifference (or classroom "incompetence") afterwards.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 29, 2018 16:05:33 GMT -5
Part of the reason we do not show up in these statistics must be the fact that Holy Cross is a much smaller student body than any of these universities, has a smaller applicant pool, and consequently, will have a smaller number of applicants visible to these other schools. Our cross applicant statistics are much more meaningful for us. We should stop this self flagellation! Go Cross! Given the title of this thread within the General Sports Discussion , ( The so-called Flutie effect and admissions in Div I) BC's cross applicants and cross acceptances nowadays might be germane. They have more accepted students cross-accepted at University of Southern California (USC) nowadays than cross-accepted with Holy Cross. Things change. I don't see that as self-flagellation. It is certainly true that our own cross applicant statistics are more important to us than BC's: Holy Cross: BC, Fordham, Providence, UMass Amherst (alphabetical) All four of our top four cross-applicant schools are larger universities (unsurprising), three of four are also Catholic (unsurprising) ...and the fourth is the largest MA state campus (also unsurprising). It is certainly unsurprising that our top four cross-applicant schools do not include any LACs (secular or otherwise).
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